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Post by tstubbs on Jan 26, 2010 11:24:18 GMT -5
the reason he isn't here is because he has refused to stoop to the level of this thread... You guys are seriously childish. The reason Themathclub was looking into the frauds is that we did call the authorities. Someone hacked our network a few days before and used a "blank" burned card to make purchases. The authorities could have gave a rats ass. They didn't do SH!T about any of the charges. The cops have speeders to catch and bribes to take, rather than do their jobs bringing in REAL criminals (i don't mean everywhere, just specifically in Dallas.)
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Post by kz1000st on Jan 27, 2010 11:23:46 GMT -5
Several days after the order was cancelled I got a bunch of unauthorized charges on my card from various places that have sales on the internet. Either they are crooks or they have someone working there that is.Of course it's been established that I'm a shill. I recently had my Chase account hacked also after buying things off the web. Hackers can get your account number by tapping your cell phone, cordless phone, hacking your ISP and any number of ways off site from the original seller, up to and including the transaction between the credit company and the seller. After we reported the theft to the local police they told us three other cards were illegally intercepted in our area in the last two weeks. When you report yours see how many have been illegally hacked recently. So does this look familiar? I tried to explain it to you people but you wanted to believe it was so much simpler. And you want fuel injection on a scooter? The world is all about computers and hackers and scanners and tappers and jokers who make millions using technology stealing money. Also people who get paid millions to stay one step ahead of them. Ever wonder why your computer is automatically updating its antivirus or spyware every few days?
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Post by als01seville on Jan 27, 2010 13:49:55 GMT -5
Yea, that must be it. Their computer was not automatically updating their security software everyday. They should have software to trap the IP address of whoever opens their database then with the IP address it can be at least traced. But then you have to wonder why the hacker only took one card number when he/she were in the database. Questions, Questions, Questions.
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Post by kz1000st on Jan 27, 2010 14:23:28 GMT -5
Yea, that must be it. Their computer was not automatically updating their security software everyday. They should have software to trap the IP address of whoever opens their database then with the IP address it can be at least traced. But then you have to wonder why the hacker only took one card number when he/she were in the database. Questions, Questions, Questions. Excuse me Mr. Big Stuff, You have it on good authority that only one was taken?Somebody smart enough to do that knows how to cover their tracks. How many computers are available to the general public? You could run a scam like this from a series of Public Libraries especially if the cops aren't interested. Answers, Answers, Answers
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Post by als01seville on Jan 27, 2010 18:58:05 GMT -5
Yep, Mr. Big Stuff is correct, I have been in the SOFTWARE business for over 30 years. Worked for one of the biggest Software Companies that produces software for Mainframes and PCs. Started as a Progammer, Bal,Cobol,Pascal for mainframe and C,C++ GUI for PCs. Security Software was just one of our biggest sellers for Mainframes and PCs.
So yes I know my software and it appears they do not have the proper Security Period. The problem is the database should be protected and only accessed by the fewest people. Alleyoop
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Post by "Big Guy" on Jan 27, 2010 19:01:07 GMT -5
the reason he isn't here is because he has refused to stoop to the level of this thread... You guys are seriously childish. Are we now? So you think discussing credit card fraud is childish? Or is that only after the few ridiculous replies from a member of your company? You see what I mean? How in the world would a sub-contractor (or at least that's what y'all have implied in the past) employed in the parts department know what was stolen and how it was used? Someone 'hacking your network' shouldn't get any credit card info since most responsible sellers use SSL technology on a pass through to a gateway, however your website STILL does not! Credit card information typed into the greenearthscooters.com shopping cart is done so without any SSL encryption! So here we go with the use of meaningless banners again! On your site, when I added a scooter to the cart and went to the checkout, there was a sticker there that says, Secure 128bit SSL, yet I was entering card info from an http address, not http s as you can clearly see here in my console: Now let's say I wanted to protect myself and call it secure anyway, here is the response from my browser: The certificate belongs to a coffee house... Green Earth doesn't even have a certificate, even though they promote the image of one to intentionally deceive you into thinking it's safe... Oh, that was a good one! But seriously, your company obviously doesn't give a 'rat's ass' about their customer's information, so when it gets questioned here, you shouldn't be upset unless the company actually does something to protect it! Think, payment gateway! I really don't think anyone hacked anything... more of a skimming problem if you ask me (inside job). You know what? I have been really pretty nice about all this, but it's getting really boring by now. You guys have no business selling anything on the Internet, period, and anyone that falls for the false secure certificate image is just foolish to give out the credit card info. Companies like yours are the problem with identity theft. -Rich
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Post by kz1000st on Jan 27, 2010 19:20:39 GMT -5
While you're at this Geraldo, why don't you try this little experiment on Valley Scooters and see if everybody is on the up and up. Just in the name of balanced reporting.
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Post by als01seville on Jan 27, 2010 19:39:28 GMT -5
FINALLY! an admission of not having the proper security. Why didn't you mention that in the in the first place, then we would only be on you to install the proper security. Alleyoop
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Post by "Big Guy" on Jan 27, 2010 21:28:47 GMT -5
While you're at this Geraldo, why don't you try this little experiment on Valley Scooters and see if everybody is on the up and up. Just in the name of balanced reporting. Funny, but if the topic comes up, I will! You know, it takes very little effort to make sure your customers have a safe environment to shop on-line. I know just how easy it is, I sell go-peds from my website. The difference is, you would never have your card info stolen from a sale with me because it actually is encrypted through a payment gateway and I never get to see it, nor can anyone 'hack my server' and get it. I don't have to display the flashy logos saying it's safe, the user sees the lock in their browser. -Rich
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Post by "Big Guy" on Jan 27, 2010 21:33:53 GMT -5
...why don't you try this little experiment on Valley Scooters... Here you go smart ass: Shopping cart through a payment gateway... see the http s? Happy now? -Rich
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Post by scottfla on Jan 27, 2010 21:44:24 GMT -5
Ok, I need a scorecard, seems there are a lot of people on both sides here.
And ummm if they are so dishonest with their site, why are they plastered all over the ads here? I know ownership changed a while back but does anyone control the site?
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Post by "Big Guy" on Jan 27, 2010 21:44:28 GMT -5
Here is how it's supposed to work: First you see a real security seal like this one at motodirect.com and click on it: An you get the results like so: -Rich
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Post by "Big Guy" on Jan 27, 2010 21:47:25 GMT -5
...And ummm if they are so dishonest with their site, why are they plastered all over the ads here?... That's a good question! Any moderators care to reply? -Rich
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Post by zugzug on Jan 27, 2010 21:51:43 GMT -5
I find it ironic that the amount of the unauthorized charges was just under the amount the scooter would have cost. You know, the one that wasnt sold to me because they dont sell to PA even though its not listed on the site.... To me it doesnt matter if it was one bad apple in the office or the site was hacked or wether it was just one or a hundred ripped off. It still falls back on thier company and how they handled or fixed the problem and as far as I can tell they are still operating in the same manner. Why would they change when they can so easily rip people off?
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Post by scottfla on Jan 27, 2010 21:58:30 GMT -5
Zugzug, did you sell the Nighthawk? This is Blok
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Post by zugzug on Jan 27, 2010 23:41:30 GMT -5
Zugzug, did you sell the Nighthawk? This is Blok I parted it out. Hockeyhawks picking up whats left of it this weekend.
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Post by scottfla on Jan 28, 2010 0:51:58 GMT -5
Ack! I traded my Nighthawk for a Bandit 600 And I'm about to pick up a 40cc two stroke.
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Post by kz1000st on Jan 28, 2010 8:54:20 GMT -5
OK, I'll admit it. I was wrong. They have security issues that need to to be strengthened before they can be trusted.
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Post by abscooters on Jan 28, 2010 14:04:09 GMT -5
Wow, heated thread. ;D As another banner holder, I'll let you know our web payments all go through paypal. And Paypal is pretty secure, they usually screw the seller before they screw the card holder. Our old site absolutelyscooters.net uses a shopping cart entirely hosted by paypal. Our new site absolutelyscooterparts.net hosts it's own cart but sends them through paypal for payment unless they call a payment in by phone. This will soon be the only site once the root pages are completed. We have another site insightwas.com/catalog that uses google checkout as another payment option, but I want to see how that works for awhile before we add it to the Scooter Parts store. I have a programming background but it dates back to the days of IBM mainframe assembler and cobol, before the days of the internet. This website stuff I only started attempting this winter but it's getting to be fun, I think, sure keeping me up late at night .
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Post by JR on Jan 28, 2010 18:20:33 GMT -5
Kind of like this Huh?
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Post by als01seville on Jan 28, 2010 19:47:32 GMT -5
HAHAHA!! Jrryan, you sly fox, where do you find this stuff:) But thanks you bring smiles and laughs to a lot of Dawgs. I laughed at this one remembering back in my early days when I was a programmer working days and nights and not coming home over the weekend because we had to fiinish a project. I remember my wife brought my sons to come and see me. We stunk hadn't shaved and my huge ashtray was like a mountain full of butts AND YES MY EYES LOOKED LIKE THAT:) Alleyoop
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Post by medman1952 on Jan 31, 2010 12:59:52 GMT -5
...And ummm if they are so dishonest with their site, why are they plastered all over the ads here?... That's a good question! Any moderators care to reply? -Rich The ad is there because they asked for one. No money is collected for any of these ads by the way. These ads were put up as just a way to help members that had internet scooter businesses. Earl posted a comment about this thread in the Staff forum, if the consensus of opinion from the moderators is that the ad should be removed it will be. I once was the victim of credit card theft and had thousands run up on the card a simple phone call t Visa had them all reversed (actually it was an ATM card). I too was really ticked off because no law enforcement agency would lift a finger to do anything about it. This was from a purchase of a ticket to fly on American Airlines. This forum likes to think of itself as a friendly place, threads like this also show just who the bullies are and how hostile it can become.
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Post by "Big Guy" on Jan 31, 2010 14:27:41 GMT -5
...This forum likes to think of itself as a friendly place, threads like this also show just who the bullies are and how hostile it can become. And exactly what is that supposed to mean? Trying to prevent our friends from getting ripped off is bullying, or have I misunderstood this statement? -Rich
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Post by zugzug on Jan 31, 2010 14:53:47 GMT -5
I got to agree with Big Guy. I wish I would have heeded the warning signs him and others were pointing out. I didnt because the deal seemed too good. Hence I got burned. I hope others had better experiences with them. But as the old saying goes: If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck......
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Post by kz1000st on Jan 31, 2010 15:14:16 GMT -5
I got to agree with Big Guy. I wish I would have heeded the warning signs him and others were pointing out. I didnt because the deal seemed too good. Hence I got burned. I hope others had better experiences with them. But as the old saying goes: If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck...... So tell us, out of curiosity, is your scooter registered yet?
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Post by JR on Jan 31, 2010 15:32:19 GMT -5
HAHAHA!! Jrryan, you sly fox, where do you find this stuff:) But thanks you bring smiles and laughs to a lot of Dawgs. I laughed at this one remembering back in my early days when I was a programmer working days and nights and not coming home over the weekend because we had to fiinish a project. I remember my wife brought my sons to come and see me. We stunk hadn't shaved and my huge ashtray was like a mountain full of butts AND YES MY EYES LOOKED LIKE THAT:) Alleyoop Well all I can say now it this; I don't see what's wrong with looking at all of the information. I thought this was the spot where any info could be discussed good, bad or ugly! Kind of like the old movie there! LOL If the ad doesn't represent the correct info then IMO it needs to be corrected or removed until it does. JRR
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Post by JR on Jan 31, 2010 15:34:10 GMT -5
...This forum likes to think of itself as a friendly place, threads like this also show just who the bullies are and how hostile it can become. And exactly what is that supposed to mean? Trying to prevent our friends from getting ripped off is bullying, or have I misunderstood this statement? -Rich
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Post by jdikov on Jan 31, 2010 17:07:59 GMT -5
Just to let you guys know we have never had anybody lose any cc info when using our payment system. (at least that we know of) We go through the Yahoo systems which seems to be a well protected system.
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Post by medman1952 on Jan 31, 2010 21:03:38 GMT -5
...This forum likes to think of itself as a friendly place, threads like this also show just who the bullies are and how hostile it can become. And exactly what is that supposed to mean? Trying to prevent our friends from getting ripped off is bullying, or have I misunderstood this statement? -Rich did you think that was a reference to you? In my opinion this thread is doing more harm to the forum than good for anybody. I'm close to deleting it, I'm not engaging in conversations here and not going to do battle with anybody. If you want a fight well my solution is a permanent one that eliminates fights. scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=questionable&action=display&thread=28285
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Post by als01seville on Jan 31, 2010 22:17:52 GMT -5
Medman1952, The only time anyone gets really upset is when the seller is dishonest and rips people off in one manner or another. Now keep in mind most of these people are YOUNG and do not have the resources to fight their situation. At lot of them are still in school and have scraped and saved to buy something from a place and it turns out they happend to order from a dishonest seller that is only out for the fast buck and the hell with the buyer.
Now the ones that should be banned are not the people that got ripped off and certainly not the ones that are finding the bad sellers, which by the way there are a lot of them out there. The ones to ban are the bad apples.
I don't understand why you are threaten with the following statement when nobody is fighting with you? The Question then comes up is why do you care so much about this specific topic? "If you want a fight well my solution is a permanent one that eliminates fights"
Alleyoop
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