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Post by bashan on Dec 28, 2009 14:06:03 GMT -5
Man,this turned into quite a thread.This is the picture I originally sent to Green Earth and the Math Guy about getting a new tire that started this whole thing.I was told to re-mount the tire to see if that would fix it.Does it look like re-mounting would fix this?Maybe I'm seeing more in the picture because I took it.I did read how the guy got a new battery with a phone call,must be nice. www.dwd.net/photos/tire.jpgThis caused the front end to shake dangerously.I replaced it own my own coin.
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Post by indy50 on Dec 28, 2009 16:32:36 GMT -5
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Post by "Big Guy" on Dec 28, 2009 16:42:49 GMT -5
Sorry, I honestly don't remember, but if your opinion hasn't changed, I guess I must have won that one Oh how very clever. Did Chris write that for you? You must be suffering from selective memory again Rich. We won that one since our scooters are as good as yours and cost less than half as much. Also the mechanics servicing them charge less. Chris who? Selective memory? No, I already told you, I don't remember the thread. If you're calling me a liar, that's just wrong... edit, 11:25pm: Ah, I found it, Chris is user name 1smf. I see now! This must be your friend and the reason you're in this conversation as a shill... now I get it! First off, they were not selling Flyscooters on-line, you're just full of misinformation aren't you? Secondly, the Znen scooters they were selling were a different build with a different warranty. And finally, there were dealer incentives in place, but since you have no insight to the original business plan, I guess you wouldn't have a clue as to the marketing structure, would you? Excuse me? When have you ever known me to not answer a false statement? Are you really this ignorant, or do you just like the game? The fact that the site is still on-line is absolutely none of your business! It is not deceptive - it clearly states that they are not taking orders, and once Leon gets the final deal worked out with Znen, they'll most likely be back up. Until then, this ridiculous point you're trying to make is futile. There is a big difference between displaying a logo of accreditation falsely and having an informational website. The reason I know you're a shill is just that - I can only imagine what you would say if it were Flyscooters displaying the false accreditation logo! Apples to oranges... you can't compare intentional false advertising to a website that says they're closed until 2010. Why would I do that? The BBB on-line seal is purchased for each website you do business with, it's not a blanket approval for any/all companies, nor is it a BBB approval/membership. It is simply a seal you purchase for every website you own. Trust me, the webmaster knew exactly what he/she was doing when they put the seal up, or else it would link to the BBB corp on file, wouldn't it? So how about the Yahoo 5-star rating... shall we talk about that one now as well? FYI, it's also a false seal... You really are clueless aren't you? (Yes, I see a pattern there!) ;D Quite good at twisting words as well! I guess you mean when I said I would trust John over (whoever) in another thread, right? The other guy was an unknown, and John is known on the board, all I said was I would trust John over him - I never endorsed anyone, nor would my endorsement really make a difference. I have personally only ever ordered from ATV Discounter and CF Moto on line. If you really want an endorsement, go with CF Moto. Now, as to your statement that I'm "out to discredit Green earth", you're 100% wrong! What would I have to gain by doing that? I have no interest in ANY on-line business, nor do I want any right now. Actually, YOU are pushing the issue with your ridiculous apples to oranges comparison and making this a whole lot more than it is with all of your suppositions. I simply stated a fact, and no matter how you spin it, you can't change that. Keep up the conversation with your idiotic BS about a website that has nothing to do with you or the topic at hand and you are one perpetuating the issue, not me. -Rich
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Post by "Big Guy" on Dec 28, 2009 16:57:11 GMT -5
Normally I just let a certain person exhibit his "supposed" knowledge and laugh. Not this time. I've lived through a time of dealers who'd steal your teeth if you weren't looking. What exactly are you laughing about? I'm willing to bet I have done more for the people on this and other boards for free in the last year than you have done in your entire life! You don't know me at all, and your arrogance proves that. That was the dumbest statement I think that has ever been posted on this board! Honor and integrity are qualities that are desirable wherever you live, not just here. So what was your point again about who you worked for? I used to work for the federal government in the Navy... more than 30,000 employees... what's your point? Nope, you're wrong! Someone made a conscience decision to put both the BBB and Yahoo 5-star ratings up, just like they made a conscience decision not to display them as per the terms of service! Okay, so you don't care about honesty and integrity, we got that, we know a bunch about you already from your posts... but who really cares what you think? Why don't you copy and paste those comments so I can address them in the correct context? Oh wait... shills don't do that - sorry about that! -Rich
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Post by thumper650 on Dec 28, 2009 17:48:59 GMT -5
What exactly are you laughing about? I'm willing to bet I have done more for the people on this and other boards for free in the last year than you have done in your entire life! -Rich You certainly know how to create drama! I'll go put another bag of popcorn in the microwave.
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Post by zugzug on Dec 28, 2009 22:21:53 GMT -5
Man,this turned into quite a thread.This is the picture I originally sent to Green Earth and the Math Guy about getting a new tire that started this whole thing.I was told to re-mount the tire to see if that would fix it.Does it look like re-mounting would fix this?Maybe I'm seeing more in the picture because I took it.I did read how the guy got a new battery with a phone call,must be nice. www.dwd.net/photos/tire.jpgThis caused the front end to shake dangerously.I replaced it own my own coin. Is this the pic you sent them? I dont see anything wrong. Maybe a better pic from a different angle or atleast circle the problem.
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Post by "Big Guy" on Dec 29, 2009 0:07:26 GMT -5
...You certainly know how to create drama! I'll go put another bag of popcorn in the microwave. Are you reading KZ's posts? I'm not creating the drama, just answering direct statements about me and inappropriate and false statements about my supplier, that's all... -Rich
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Post by bob on Dec 29, 2009 1:38:54 GMT -5
Man,this turned into quite a thread.This is the picture I originally sent to Green Earth and the Math Guy about getting a new tire that started this whole thing.I was told to re-mount the tire to see if that would fix it.Does it look like re-mounting would fix this?Maybe I'm seeing more in the picture because I took it.I did read how the guy got a new battery with a phone call,must be nice. www.dwd.net/photos/tire.jpgThis caused the front end to shake dangerously.I replaced it own my own coin. Is this the pic you sent them? I dont see anything wrong. Maybe a better pic from a different angle or atleast circle the problem. What are supposed to be groves on the right side are actually sticking up out of the tire.
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Post by "Big Guy" on Dec 29, 2009 2:12:05 GMT -5
...What are supposed to be groves on the right side are actually sticking up out of the tire. Well Bob, I can honestly say that I can't see it! This is probably why they didn't replace it in the first place. -Rich
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Post by kz1000st on Dec 29, 2009 9:08:47 GMT -5
First off, they were not selling Flyscooters on-line, you're just full of misinformation aren't you? Secondly, the Znen scooters they were selling were a different build with a different warranty.
Love this one. Maybe you should have taken the time to read the specs for the scooters Znendirect was selling Rich. "18 bearings on the drive side, Japanese crankshaft, seals and rings". It sounded EXACTLY like your description of a Flyscooter, which you stated came from the Flyscooter brochure.
If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, it's a Flyscooter with a different badge. As we've seen with USF Marine warranties are up to the interpretation of individual dealers.
Secondly, when you say things like "If they use the BBB symbol undeservedly, how can we ever trust them again?" ( as I recall you saying) that's discrediting someone. Do I have to go to the Dictionary and get the definition for you? What do you get out of it? Easy Rich the feeling of power. You love it, can't get enough of it. You must have some terrible private life that you have to come here and engage in such bluster.
If I'm a shill Rich, tell me for who. Last Spring I said GS Motorwork's scooters were as good as yours. Now I'm saying Green Earth Scooters is being judged unfairly by a B & M-You. I don't get a dime.
What I am getting is the satisfaction of telling you to get your own house in order before you start throwing mud at someone else. 2010 started in August. Scooters sold in September forward were 2010s. Where's Znendirect??
I went looking up what it takes to get the Online BBB seal. For one, you have to be in business a year. Green Earth hasn't been in business a year. Remember I said they might be using Peace Industries seal from somewhere else? Maybe they're a subdivision of GS Motorworks since they're in their old offices. Unlike somebody else I'm not a lawyer. AA Scooters Inc. Is registered with BBB. Too convoluted for me.
Notice I had the class not to call you names. As for contributions, I've made a few. I just don't need a parade everytime I help someone.
Oh and let me educate you. From the Dictionary.com Shill A person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.
A) I have no self interest in Green Earth Scooters. B) I don't make a dime whether they live or die. C) I'm in NY, never met Stubbs or The Math Club except through PMs-same as you.
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Post by "Big Guy" on Dec 29, 2009 10:12:20 GMT -5
...Love this one. Maybe you should have taken the time to read the specs for the scooters Znendirect was selling Rich. "18 bearings on the drive side, Japanese crankshaft, seals and rings". It sounded EXACTLY like your description of a Flyscooter, which you stated came from the Flyscooter brochure. First off, I didn't jump to any conclusions, I went directly to the source, and I was assured it was indeed a different build. Second, they had a completely different warranty which makes all the difference in the world! Which would you rather have, parts only or parts and labor? We have discussed this many times on this board and always conclude a labor warranty is worth at least $500.00. No, wrong, as we've seen with USFM, Flyscooters makes sure the customer is taken care of! Why do you insist on only telling one side of the story? What other company do you know of that would cancel a dealer's franchise and pay for the repairs at another shop? Wow, does that example backfire on you or what? Again you're wrong! What I originally said was, "but I truly believe that this is an issue of integrity that needs to be addressed" and I'll stick by that! What? Again, more proof you don't know me. So why wouldn't this statement apply to you as well, or was that one of those, "Look in the mirror" statements? You started this argument and you are perpetuating it just because you don't want to loose it! You are engaging me, not the other way around... Who? Anything that is anti-me for some unknown reason! You follow me around like a little puppy dog looking to engage in an argument in many different threads always with the same theme and always with the same lame points. I'm not judging anyone, I stated a fact that you feel you have to dispute and carry on about because we have different standards and beliefs when it comes to honesty. You are the one that comes in behind me and makes comparisons to things that don't apply to the conversation at hand and then try and call me judgmental! My "house" is in order and what business of yours would that be in the first place? I don't make false claims on my website to try and sell scooters, and me, Tom and Gino do everything we can to satisfy our customers, even if it's undeserved and costs us money. Had this topic been about my website, I would have corrected the problem the first day. 2010 starts in a week from now, not in August. Their website says, see you in 2010. It doesn't have a specific date, nor does that even matter. Again, it has nothing to do with false advertising or this topic! Right, so you agree then? They shouldn't be using it... finally! No, wrong again! I'm not sure why you can't get this! YOU are convoluting the issue on purpose! I have told you before, you cannot legally use the BBB on-line seal unless it is linked to the BBB website, directly to your company's profile - not a partner company, not a subsidiary, not anything but your company website... it's really pretty simple! Ah, really? I didn't notice that in your previous post! Yeah... you're a real classy guy! Neither do I! In fact, I don't ever even remember a parade! I must have missed that one! Now will someone please pass the popcorn! KZ won't let this rest and I think it might go on forever... good thing I took that typing class years ago! -Rich
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Post by tstubbs on Dec 29, 2009 11:05:00 GMT -5
Man,this turned into quite a thread.This is the picture I originally sent to Green Earth and the Math Guy about getting a new tire that started this whole thing.I was told to re-mount the tire to see if that would fix it.Does it look like re-mounting would fix this?Maybe I'm seeing more in the picture because I took it.I did read how the guy got a new battery with a phone call,must be nice. www.dwd.net/photos/tire.jpgThis caused the front end to shake dangerously.I replaced it own my own coin. I just don't see it man. Maybe a better pic? Anybody else see what I do not. I cannot tell from the above pic that the tire is damaged. Bashan - It doesn't look damaged therefore themathclub told you to break it down and reseat the bead. Mathclub NEVER beat around the bush or put you off. HE was trying to help you. Math has too much respect to argue in public forum but I am tired of you bashing us over an indecipherable pic of a "damaged" tire.
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Post by rapidjim on Dec 29, 2009 11:22:32 GMT -5
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Post by "Big Guy" on Dec 29, 2009 11:39:04 GMT -5
...Bashan - It doesn't look damaged therefore themathclub told you to break it down and reseat the bead... I agree... I can't see it either. It looks like a normal tire from the photo. -Rich
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Post by tortoise on Dec 29, 2009 11:43:22 GMT -5
Maybe I'm seeing more in the picture because I took it. What are supposed to be groves on the right side are actually sticking up out of the tire. I could not see the tire deficiency either until pointed out. Perhaps they should charge a premium for the "snow tire option"! The first time I saw this image, it looked like an open mouth.
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Post by "Big Guy" on Dec 29, 2009 11:59:59 GMT -5
...I could not see the tire deficiency either until pointed out. Perhaps they should charge a premium for the "snow tire option"! Well I STILL can't see it... just got to work and showed it to Tom and he saw it immediately - strange how he can see it and I can't. -Rich
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Post by bob on Dec 29, 2009 15:13:43 GMT -5
...What are supposed to be groves on the right side are actually sticking up out of the tire. Well Bob, I can honestly say that I can't see it! This is probably why they didn't replace it in the first place. -Rich Maybe you need to use your magnifier and set it to 400%. The tire is f%%ked up. Bob
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Post by als01seville on Dec 29, 2009 15:48:49 GMT -5
Maybe he is complaining about the ridge which is about 1 1/2 inches from the rim to where the actual tire threads start. If its that, its just the design of the tire here is a picture of mine and you can see the ridge. Alleyoop
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Post by bashan on Dec 29, 2009 16:06:56 GMT -5
OK...maybe I'm a weinie but it was obvious to me.Look at the heighth of the mid-line groove of the tire in the center of the photo.There's a noticeable raised portion in the tire.There's even wear marks around it.Crank up the mag in the browser to 150% or 200% if you must,I just don't want everyone to think I'm a loon.I should have got down lower when I took the pic, I admit,but my knees suck.I'm dropping this now, I don't believe Math Guy was trying to screw me,I obviously saw something,some others do,some don't,up to interpretation.It actually turned out to be a good scooter once I replaced the tire and sealed up the intake manifold.My wife's was perfect from the start and still is.Chinese scooters...always an adventure.
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Post by bashan on Dec 29, 2009 16:16:15 GMT -5
Oh....just one other thing and THEN I'm dropping it.I took the wheel off and set the axle on two jack stands.When I slowly spun the wheel,that part of the tire that's in the pic came out about a 1/2" closer to a T square than the rest of the tire.
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Post by gmoney on Dec 29, 2009 16:31:57 GMT -5
The picture is actually and optical illusion, what looks like it's indented is actually not as it's protruding outward. That is really odd and I can't imagine how the tire mold could do that but it did. With those treads extending above the tire I would imagine it handled awful and sounded even worse. If you had sent the tire back they could have easily seen what the problem was. I have to admit the first time I looked at the picture I could not see it! One could almost laugh at it if it wasn't for the fact it cost you a tire. It reminds me of the tires on the model jets that Hobby Lobby Intl. had ordered. When we received a large shipment in all of the tires were egg shaped! The jets would look like a Flintstone jet as they wobbled up and down the runway for takeoff! I had to send a video in to the factory in China before they understood what I was talking about! They finally corrected the problem after seeing the video of the egg shaped wheels!
Gary
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Post by als01seville on Dec 29, 2009 16:42:16 GMT -5
HI Bashan, NOW I SEE IT!! the tire has two grooves running the diameter of the tire and in between the two grooves the CENTER thread is raised quite a bit. I bet that sucker slides or slips making a sharp turn when its leaning. Never saw anything like that, I don't know if its supposed to be that way or its a defective tire, what we CALL HERE IN THE STATES "SECONDS" did not pass muster. I would take pictures but different angle so the raised center can be seen and send them the pictures again. Alleyoop
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Post by tortoise on Dec 29, 2009 17:06:10 GMT -5
Look at the heighth of the mid-line groove of the tire in the center of the photo.There's a noticeable raised portion in the tire.There's even wear marks around it. I finally see the defect . . I think! "What we have here is a failure to communicate."
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Post by thumper650 on Dec 29, 2009 18:13:49 GMT -5
...You certainly know how to create drama! I'll go put another bag of popcorn in the microwave. Are you reading KZ's posts? I'm not creating the drama, just answering direct statements about me and inappropriate and false statements about my supplier, that's all... -Rich I've read the whole thing. I just love the way you're super defensive. I'm not insulting you, I think you and people like you keep this forum fresh and lively!
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Post by zugzug on Dec 29, 2009 21:09:04 GMT -5
Well I ordered from GreenEarth last week and was planning to share my experience but they informed me today by email that I cannot register their scooter in PA and they canceled my order. I guess I should consider myself lucky that they didn't take my money and send me a scoot that I couldn't use. I guess you can put that as one more thing on their website that ya cant trust. So if you live in PA dont waste your time ordering from them.[/b]
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Post by ILLGotti on Dec 29, 2009 23:18:20 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by thumper650 on Dec 30, 2009 16:31:14 GMT -5
Well I ordered from GreenEarth last week and was planning to share my experience but they informed me today by email that I cannot register their scooter in PA and they canceled my order. I guess I should consider myself lucky that they didn't take my money and send me a scoot that I couldn't use. I guess you can put that as one more thing on their website that ya cant trust. So if you live in PA dont waste your time ordering from them. [/b][/quote] That sounds like good customer service right there. I'm not from PA but I've read on this site that PA has some strange rules about what you can register there. I'm sure there's a lot of companies that would have gladly sent you a scooter and take your money.
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Post by jdikov on Dec 30, 2009 16:52:54 GMT -5
The Znen scooters we sell are approved for PA as well as the Linhai Yamaha ones.
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Post by "Big Guy" on Dec 30, 2009 21:23:28 GMT -5
Okay, finally, I see it now! I was looking in the wrong place, to the right side grooves Yeah, that sucker would indeed throw it out of round! -Rich
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Post by bashan on Dec 31, 2009 9:53:01 GMT -5
Yep Math Club Guy,that is exactly it.I now realize what one sees in person that seems so obvious does not easily translate into a electronic representation.....my bad.I over reacted which I am infamous for,I apologize.I'm sure you get requests from people all the time that are unwarranted,your caution in approving a claim is understandable.I was in a hurry to get both my wife's scooter and mine up to speed at the same time hence the urgency.I just feel better that some knowledgeable guys see it too and I wasn't having a flashback from the '60's.The tire is long gone even though I asked the installer to save it so I had begun to question it myself.Let's try and forget it,it looks like you may have sold a few scooters out of the whole debacle...I hope so anyway.As was said by the Time Gaurdian in the original Star Trek episode: The City on the Edge of Forever....."all is as it was before".Kinda.
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