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Post by wolfhound on Dec 24, 2009 20:59:36 GMT -5
Are these not basic go cart rear ends? If so and we are left without IB back up how hard would it be to find common replacement parts for the tranny? Or are these a 'special' tranny? Since IB distributes gocarts and ATV's Iwould think that the parts would not be a problem. MountainMoped says that parts are warrented for 30 days onlt. If this proves to be the case, another bad mark for IB. I hope that I am looking at a worst case scenario. I do tend to be a sceptic.
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Post by als01seville on Dec 24, 2009 21:08:26 GMT -5
Hi Wolfhound, No they are not your basic go cart rear ends. On the go carts you will not find a differential like the ones on the Trikes. The ones on the carts are even simpliar the Sprocket for the chain is connected right on the Axle. The trikes has an actual differential with spider gears, its call an Open Differential been around for decades one of the simpliest real differentials. The differentials allows the inside wheel to turn less than the outside wheel when you make a turn. Alleyoop
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Post by greenhorns on Dec 24, 2009 22:23:03 GMT -5
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 24, 2009 22:33:32 GMT -5
OK, Alley Oop. If the Open Differential has been around for years how hard are parts going to be to find. Sounds like a good differential. Frankly I hope that trike22's statement that IB is trying to do a better job is correct. They have a winner on their hands but not for long if these problems keep popping up. Guys like me who are not mechanical Ford people are at a disadvantage if the problems develop in to major ones. (You remember FORD autos, the gag was that it stood for Fix Or Repair Daily or the other definition, Found On Road Dead.) I am off to trap Santa Claus.
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Post by WildMan on Dec 24, 2009 22:36:35 GMT -5
Alleyoop Here's the email from Quan w/ the 2 questions? Hi David, I have the following questions need to be answered in order to provide correct support to you. 1. does your trike engage in reverse? 2. is it constant or only jumps the 3 times then the rest of the drive is smooth? Thanks!
My BEAR doesn't shudder, Question #2 in bold type is exactly what mine does.. So you can see he asked the right questions, which tells me that they know there's a problem maybe a couple of different problems..
David Sr.
Hay, the Spell Check isn't working tonight..
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Post by als01seville on Dec 24, 2009 22:52:44 GMT -5
Dwild62, That sounds more like what I was talking about, the REVERSE CABLE. Because it will JUMP if its not meshing when you first start off. Have you tried to adjust your REVERSE Cable. I think thats all it is David. On yours you have the handle on the Left Hand grip I don't know if it has an adjustment there. If not then you have to adjust it at the other end. You have a bracket and TWO screws holding it and the cable is hooked onto the Swing Arm. To fix #2 going forward so it doesn't jump You Need to let out a little more cable so the Swing Arm that the actual cable hooks onto moves a little more towards the back in other words the Swing Arm has to move Counter Clockwise.
Try it David Sr. I bet you just need the Swing Arm to move about an 1/8 or out more so it fully engaes the Forward gear. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Dec 24, 2009 23:08:45 GMT -5
Dwild62, Here is a picture of where you may have to adjust it the reverse cabble. Notice the two screws holding it by the bracket. Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Dec 24, 2009 23:43:50 GMT -5
Alleyoop Ya there's adjustment at both ends, which I've look at several times.. Here's the problem, the cable is out as far as it can go. I've thought the same as you, that the cable might be to tight, because if I unhook the cable the shift lever will swing back another, oh maybe a good 1/2" or so.. I had though once of unhooking the cable an see if it still jumped or not.. But here is a thought, if this is what it is, I could modify the cable bracket, such as elongate the 2 bolt holes in the bracket, that would allow us to slide the bracket back.
Why didn't explain all this when I ask you awhile back? Because now it's all starting to make sense, & even though at the moment I can't adjust that, it's could be an easy fix..
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Dec 25, 2009 1:35:12 GMT -5
Dwild62, I thought I did explain that you have to adjust the cable, that was one of the first things I mentioned to you. Sorry I thought you new that.
Now here is the thing you see the Screw to the left in the picture loosen that screw and push it in and then tighten the one on the right that will allow the Swing Arm to move more Counter Clockswise. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Dec 25, 2009 1:39:15 GMT -5
Dwild62, Adjust it a little at a time, because if you move it to far out then it will JUMP when you put it in Reverse. So after each adjustment and it no longer jumps going forward Check to make sure it does not JUMP when you put it in REVERSE. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Dec 25, 2009 1:49:18 GMT -5
Dwild62, I said Screw its the NUT on the left of the bracket holding the cable against the bracket. Loosen that up and push it in and then tighten the NUT on the right side of the bracket. Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Dec 25, 2009 1:53:08 GMT -5
Alleyoop That's what I'm saying, it won't adjust out any more, unless I elongate the holes on the cable bracket, which I can do..
David Sr.
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Post by WildMan on Dec 25, 2009 2:00:58 GMT -5
Alleyoop Ya, I know what you said.. There's no more threads to back off the nut. It's as far as it will go.
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Dec 25, 2009 2:14:23 GMT -5
Dwild62, Got you, Bummer, well here is another thought, if you have a tap&thread set disconnect it and put some more threads on the tube. Or move the bracket foward enough so you can then have some adjustment with the Nuts.
Or a more easier solution route the cable and take a little out of a bend to give you more length on the actual wire cable. All you need is just about half inch then you will have some adjustment capabilites. Alleyoop
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 26, 2009 14:24:05 GMT -5
Alley Oop: The place where I am supposed to adjust the cable is underneath and just before where the cable goes into the tranny. Very difficult to get to, right? Or is it up at the reverse shift handle on the right hand side. If it is underneath then it is going to wait til warm weather and until I can figure out how to get to it with wrenches, not a lot of working room under there.
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 26, 2009 15:18:37 GMT -5
David Sr.: I will be interested in what Quan here in Acworth has to say on this rear end problem. In reverse my 150-8 bumps and smooths out. In drive from a standing stop it shudders like the rear end is coming off and then smooths out when speed is built up. Also if you start from stop with a WOT it does not shudder. I suspect a bad gear, Alley Oop, a far better mechanic than I am, says it is the reverse cable, others suggest the clutch is not broken in yet, MountainMoped is having the same problem and says that parts are only guarenteed for 30 days,so I will be interested in seeing what Quan has to say. Much as I like the design of the 150-8 I have to question all the little problems we all seem to be en-countering, from junk air filters on down. Mine will stay parked til we figure out what the problem is and fix it. I have 4 other rides that dont give me the problems this one does so I am not without a bike!!!
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Post by WildMan on Dec 26, 2009 17:53:58 GMT -5
Hay wolfhound You say it shudders, if you lift the back of trike up & turn 1 wheel by hand, does it feel smooth, or rough & binding? When you spin 1 wheel it should be smooth, if it's rough & binds at all then the spider gears might be out of time (which is caused by the spider gears not having the proper spacing). Have you replaced the Chinese grease fitting on the differential w/ a US style grease fitting & pump some good old American grease in it? My differential started making funny noises & feeling rough w/ in a few miles.. You can pump maybe 15 - 20 shots of grease into differential, but don't try to fill because it'll fill the axle housing w/ grease too.
Also what about the drive chain? If the chain is over tight the chain will bind on the sprockets, & cause a shudder..
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Dec 26, 2009 18:12:37 GMT -5
Wolfhound, From what you just said, I think its the same problem as Dwild62. The Gear is NOT meshing in Forward. That means you have to give the Cable a little more slack so that the gear is fully meshed. Now it should only have to be lossened I would say no more than 1/4 inch. And after it works in Forward test it out in Reverse. If it shudders in Reverse then tigthen it up 1/8. Alleyoop Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Dec 26, 2009 19:08:02 GMT -5
Dwild62, Where do you get your Jets. My 2 stage Uni FIlter just arrived and 11G Slider weights. I probably will need to change my main jet and probably need smaller ones like 108-110 or so. I am first going to try just lowering the needle clip and see if that is enough. I am going to add a piece of pipe not long just enough to clamp the unie on and clamp onto the intake rubber, so it will be just about the same length as the orginal setup. But I need the piece of pipe so I can put a clamp on it and tie it to the existing bracket that holds the current air filter. Alleyoop
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 26, 2009 19:29:17 GMT -5
David, I will jack up the rear end and try as you describe. Bryan replaced the lube nipple with a US one but it may not be what I thought it was as it wont accept grease, just works out over the nipple. Chain is not overly tight. OK. Alley Oop, I will try that. I am correct that the fittings to be loosened are back at the tranny, not up at the shift lever? If it is at the back it is a stinker to get to so far as I can tell.
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Post by greenhorns on Dec 26, 2009 19:35:44 GMT -5
alley are hese bears interstate worthy and im ordering the that package deal now
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Post by als01seville on Dec 26, 2009 19:40:40 GMT -5
Greenhorns, What do you mean interstate worthy? If you mean riding on the highways NO they are not fast enough. On the highways you have to be able to do 65-75, the trikes are not capable of those speeds. Alleyoop
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Post by greenhorns on Dec 26, 2009 19:50:58 GMT -5
what about 40 min hwy
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 26, 2009 20:00:43 GMT -5
Greenhorns, 40 minimum speed limit is usually used with reference to Expressways and it would not be advisable to run these 150cc trikes on Expressways unless you are suicidal. OK to ride on highways with 55mph limits and city streets.
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Post by greenhorns on Dec 26, 2009 20:21:47 GMT -5
thanks just wasnt sure my bike gets here on wednesday i cant wait
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 26, 2009 20:25:29 GMT -5
David, will jack her up and put on blocks to check the rear end tomorrow. Need both tires off the ground to test. We will get her fixed one way or the other. Got my eye on a 2005 Honda Reflex with a new TowPak trike conversion, 250 cc engine, and 2800 miles. It is at a local Trike and Bike shop and has been fully serviced. It is a bit more than I want to spend, $8000.00 but I probably could bargain them down a tad. I would need to sell a couple of my scoots, the trike and one other to lessen the strain. With the old legs getting older I feel that a trike is the way to ride but I am not a mechanic(darn it!!) and would rather spend my riding time riding , not fixing.
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Post by als01seville on Dec 26, 2009 21:00:23 GMT -5
Hi Wolfhound, $8000.00 for a 2005 is a little steep and its only a 250cc. You can get a brand new Suzuki Burgman 400 for under $6000.00 then put on a trike kit. You probably can find 2007 models in the 4000.00 range. My thoughts Alleyoopl
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Post by zugzug on Dec 26, 2009 21:03:01 GMT -5
Any chance you could put the Tank 250 into the Icebear trike?
Edit: or put the trike rear axle on the tank?
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Post by als01seville on Dec 26, 2009 21:08:51 GMT -5
It will not just fall in there, the trikes have short case motors and the 250 has a long case so the mounts have to be moved. Theres plenty of room under there but would require some welding. Alleyoop
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Post by zugzug on Dec 26, 2009 21:18:59 GMT -5
Having a shop do a little welding for ya might be cheaper than selling the same scoots and buying a 8k trike. (tell me to butt out if ya want me to. Im bored and reading thru tons of posts ;D )
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