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Post by als01seville on Dec 10, 2009 0:35:38 GMT -5
Dwild62, Question, WHAT? will adding a Performance Intake(CHROME:), a 6 inch Velocity Stack and Double Uni Filter and up jet Actually do for the Trike? More Horsepower, or just use up more gas:) I would still be running it around 7200-7500 rpms no higher, controlled by the weights. Al
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Post by als01seville on Jan 6, 2010 16:27:41 GMT -5
Hi Dawgs, Well here is whats going on next. Performance Intake Chrome, New Carb and 2 Stage UNI Filter. Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Jan 6, 2010 18:11:20 GMT -5
Alleyoop Maybe more power, & gas too.. I think though, you'll have to go up at an angle w/ filter..
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Jan 6, 2010 20:36:41 GMT -5
Dwild62, The angle is already built in because of the Performance Intake. It is longer and its angled. As for more gas, I am sure I will have to mess around with re-jetting. So it will be almost like your setup I would think. Maybe get the package of main jets from Buggyspartsnw which are 120,125,130,135. And then maybe get a #38 and #40 Pilot Jet. What do you think?. I could also play with raising or lowering the Needle Jet. Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Jan 6, 2010 21:04:09 GMT -5
Alleyoop The thing I didn't like about Buggy Parts NW's main jet package was, there package doesn't include the in between sizes, which means, if it turns out you need one of the in between sizes, you ether have to order again if you figure out which one you need, or if you don't have # drill bits or the size bit close enough, you'll have to buy or order them.. I preferred to buy the jets from Jet R Us.com, & get the in between sizes at the same time, & yes I paid $7. for shipping, but for you it may be less, & they ship fast.. The last jets I ordered, I received them in 3 days..
Also if you send me a PM w/ your email address, I'll send you something via email..
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Jan 6, 2010 23:42:56 GMT -5
Dwild62, Did you get my PM? Alley
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Post by WildMan on Jan 6, 2010 23:50:37 GMT -5
Alley YEP.. Hay can open & rear PDF files on your computer..
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Jan 7, 2010 0:07:48 GMT -5
David Sr., Yes I can. Alley
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Post by als01seville on Jan 14, 2010 16:54:40 GMT -5
Hi Dawgs, Well today I installed a Emergency Flasher, works great. You can see that the Green Turn Signals are on. Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Jan 14, 2010 17:09:11 GMT -5
Alleyoop Details man!!
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Jan 14, 2010 21:36:59 GMT -5
Dwild62, You only have Three wires to connect. The Flasher has three TINY MALE Disconnects inside a square quick connect PLUG. Jrryan has the secret to make it very easy. He uses 3 wire TINY FEMALE Disconnects housed in a small square quick connect PLUG with about 9" of wire attached that he gets from Thrown out Computers. He was nice enough to mail me the Tiny Female Disconnect quick connect Plug with the 9" wires already attached.
How to connect: On your Left Handlebar there are about 8 wires inside a rubber tubing for protection. The Orange wire is for your left Turn Signal and a Light Blue is for your Right Turn Signal. Connect the Middle Wire and one outside wire coming from the Flasher to each, Orange and Light Blue Turn Signal wires coming from your handlebar. Then Find the GRAY WIRE (HOT) coming from your Handlbar and Connect the Remaining OUTSIDE wire from your Flasher AND YOUR DONE.
The Flasher switch well you decide where you want to put. Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Jan 14, 2010 22:50:06 GMT -5
Hay Alley Did you order them tires yet?
I've been looking at my BEAR, & see something I was wondering if you over looked or not.. I noticed on my BEAR, I'd have to modify the center mud guard (the stock 2 wheel scoot rear fender, which on mine is part of the body work), in order to raise the trike fenders, for the bigger tires..
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Jan 15, 2010 1:35:43 GMT -5
Dwild62, No I haven't ordered the tires yet. I am waiting to get a response of the speed rating on them. The Dealer doesn't know so they are finding out. I also emailed Tawain where they make the tires for the information.
Also I want the Medium Rubber Compound and they currently only have the Firm Rubber Compound.
The center piece and fenders on mine I can take off as one piece or just take the center piece off . I can unscrew the 4 Screws on each fender and take the whole thing off. Alley
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Post by als01seville on Jan 15, 2010 14:47:02 GMT -5
Hi Dawgs, Ok, today I ordered the Racer 22x10-10 Tires for the Trike to replace the 18x10-10 that are currently on. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Jan 15, 2010 23:21:07 GMT -5
Hi Dawgs, Here is what my new setup is going to be. I already put in a #38 Pilot Jet and a #130 Main Jet. PRETTY COOL LOOKING:) Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Jan 21, 2010 20:53:19 GMT -5
Hi Dawgs, Well I had ordered the Innov Racer 22x10-10 55N and they emailed me today that they could NOT FIND THEM in their warehouse? So they refunded my money. So I started googling again for the tires and found some sites. I called one guy in Iowa and he said he had two in stock and I started pumping him about the tires. He said they were 22x10-10 62D $77.00 per tire. Well the "62D" is the Max load limit and the Letter "D" is the Speed Rating. I asked him what is the speed rating for the "D" designation, he said 67mph. He didn't know I had done my homework on tires and the meaning of numbers and letters as well as speed ratings. I told him that the "D" designation for speed rating a tire has not been used since before 1991 and that those tires are very old. He was lost for words so to break the silence I asked him if he wanted me to email him the 1992 and current Speed rating numbers and letters. He said no that he has them!! So you have to watch and ask what the actual numbers imprinted on the tire are to make sure you are getting what you want and need. Most of these guys are just order takers and get the tires from distributors after you place your order. Another place could not even give me any information only what it said on his website, he said he would call the distributor call me back with the information. He called me back and gave me some parts of the numbers but not what I needed the Speed Letter designation.
So here I am still trying to get the Innova Racer 22x10-10 55N tires which are "55N" means 480 max load and up to 87mph. The 55 I really do not care if its a little lower or a little higher but I do need the "N" speed rating.
I found another place in Arizonia and he said he has 2 sets of the Innova Racer 22x10-10 55N tires but he wants $107.50 per tire. I asked him for a discount on 2 because his competitors are asking less than $100.00 each so I am waiting for his response. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Jan 23, 2010 18:48:01 GMT -5
Hi Dawgs, I was looking for a small muffler that will fit on the Trike and I found this one for $28.00. It has a replaceable difusser and it also has a adjustable bracket welded to the muffler. It is all steel about 1/6 inch thick. I want to see how it sounds and if it is not to loud. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Jan 25, 2010 21:31:39 GMT -5
Hi Dawgs, Well I spent all day calling and checking on larger tires. Well I was all excited about the INNOVA Racer 22/10-10 55N Tires and Now I feel lucky they didn't find them in their warehouse.
Reason is I never checked the width of our Fenders on the Trikes. It appears that about the Largest WIDTH tire that will fit uner the Fenders is little less than 9" wide. The INNOVA Racer 22/10-10 are 10.04 inches WIDE so they would not have fit under the Fenders.
So Now I am looking for 205/65-10 Tires that are DOT approved and Speed rated near 70mph. The 205/65-10 tires are a little wider than 8 inches and are about 20.7 inches Tall which would be 2 inches taller than the 18x10-10 tires that come with the Trikes. But still the 20.7 tall will give a gain of 8-9 mph which is still great.
The only other thing would be to find a Front Sprocket with more teeth that would fit. The Sprocket thats on there has 29 teeth. It would also require extending the chain. But that would be much cheaper than tires:)
So I am still looking for Tires, if anyone knows of any in the 205/65-10 range that have a Speed Rating around 70mph CHIME IN. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Jan 26, 2010 23:44:51 GMT -5
Hi Dawgs, Ok it looks like the best I can find is a Trailer tire rated 65mph at max load 1100lbs or so. It is 20.5 inches tall, 8.5 inches wide and fits a 10 inch rim. The other consideration is the Tire Width, the rims are 8 inches wide so have to be carefull and not get a tire that is like 8.3 or so because it may break the bead running at 50mph or so. So it looks like I may try the 65mph 20.5, 8.5 wide tires on my 10x8 rims.
I could also buy 10x7 rims then any of the tires would fit. BUT AGAIN YET ANOTHER PROBLEM. The 4 holes on our TRIKES are spaced out like 4 5/16" apart and guess what the 10x7 rims the holes are spaced 4" apart:) Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Jan 28, 2010 21:38:09 GMT -5
I could also buy 10x7 rims then any of the tires would fit. BUT AGAIN YET ANOTHER PROBLEM. The 4 holes on our TRIKES are spaced out like 4 5/16" apart and guess what the 10x7 rims the holes are spaced 4" apart:) Ok, came up with another idea and I will find out tomorrow if it can be done. And that is to drill 4 holes in the existing HUB with the holes centered 4 inches apart so that a 10x7 rim can be mounted onto the HUB. With the Hub able to take a 4" centered rim then more options are available for different size Rims as Well as Tires. I could just go with the 22x10-10 Innova Racer tires that will go onto the existing rim but they are 10.04 inches wide and the inside of the fender will only take less than a 9" wide tire. So thats the PLAN STAN:) Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Jan 29, 2010 15:32:04 GMT -5
Hi Dawgs, Ok good news today, Dwild62 found tires we can use on Ebay. They look almost exactly like the Innova Tires we currently have on there now. Also they are DOT Approved. The amazing thing is that they had 20.50x10-10 and the 22x10-10 sizes. Since I do not want to rebuild the Fenders and Rear Center Cover to accomadate the 22x10-10 tires, I ordered the 20.50x10-10 tires.
Dwild62 since he is a Damn Good Fabricator and can build just about anything Dwild62 ordered the 22x10-10 tires. They are being shipped as we speak, I already have a tracking number for mine.
To accomadate my 20.50x10-10 I will have to Raise the Fenders but they will fit under the Fender. Dwild62 on the other hand will have to Fabricate new Wider Fenders and shorten the Center cover or build another one.
According to the size differences from our current 18x10-10 Tires. The 20.50x10-10 should up the top speed by 8-9 mph. The 22x10-10 Dwild62 bought should up the top speed by 11-12 mph.
So the Science Project is close and more results will be coming as soon as Dwild62 and I install the Bigger Tires and give them a whirl. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Feb 5, 2010 15:26:39 GMT -5
Hi Dawgs, Well just had the 20.5x10-10 Tires mounted and they are FANTASTIC!!!! I couldn't wait so I took it out for a quick test run BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! Here is what I found out right away. 1. It gets up to speed quicker, at a stop light with cars in front of me I was right behind them when the light turned green. Cranks right up to speed 30-35 right away. 2. I tested the RPMS at 5000-5200 and It was doing 38mph and on a little decline it would go past 40mph. 3. I had it up WOT 7100-7300 rpms and it was doing 61-62 mph FLYING MAN. The Other Good thing is the FENDERS FIT WITHOUT ANY CHANGES. The Fender Braces are about 3/8 from the tires here are the pictures without the fenders and with the Fenders on. Alleyoop
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Post by cosmo3405 on Feb 5, 2010 18:38:28 GMT -5
Alleyoop, Alright!!! Congrats on the performance gain! Mike
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Post by als01seville on Feb 5, 2010 19:53:33 GMT -5
Mike, Thanks, I new it would run faster Dwild62 and I figured using the Tire Speed Calculator that with the size tires I got I would be gaining around 8mph. Then we were concerned with Low End but that didn't happen. The trikes really have good Torque and it made the starting up and getting to speed quicker. I am just a little short but I will be putting in 11G sliders which will get my rpms up to around 7500 that should pull me a little faster, I would say it well wind up doing around 62-64 consistent tops.
What I was shooting for was able to Cruise at 55 and have a little left yet. My son lives 25 miles away in a suburb further out and there is one stretch where the speed limit is 55mph so I will be able to keep up with traffic staying in the right lane:) Alleyoop Alleyoop
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Post by zugzug on Feb 6, 2010 8:59:33 GMT -5
Looks great! I like the naked look better
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Post by als01seville on Feb 6, 2010 13:04:38 GMT -5
zugzug, Thanks man, the naked look will get me a ticket around here. You have to have fenders of some kind otherwise the fuzz will pull you over. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Feb 7, 2010 16:33:58 GMT -5
Hi Dawgs, I will let you guys decide if this is a GOOD Header Pipe or NEEDS A LITTLE TLC:) Alleyoop
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Post by aileronjack on Feb 8, 2010 11:48:21 GMT -5
Hey Alley: Just an observation, not to be critical, but your camera is focusing on the background.
The hole doesn't have a clean look to its oval shape. The deformed oval appears as though it could disrupt the even airflow needed for a good performing header.
BTW Congratulations! on your tires. Has Dwild62 had the same or nearly the same success as you? And, if you don't mind, where can we order those puppies?
J
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Post by als01seville on Feb 8, 2010 14:41:27 GMT -5
Aileronjack, Good catch on the camera focusing on the the background:) The Header Pipe is a little out of shape:) Guess it must of been made on the midnight shift in china:) Dwild62 has the bigger tires 22x10-10 which are 2 1/2 inches taller than the OEM tires, so he will definitely get more top end than what I got. But because of the greater size tires his fenders do not fit so he either will modify the current fenders or build new ones. My tires are 20.5/65-10 which are 1 1/2 inches taller than the OEM tires but mine JUST DO fit under the fenders so thats good. Here is the EBAY Site we bought the tires. Now you can order the 22x10-10 like Dwild62 or the 20.5x10-10 like I got. Alleyoop cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170435127875&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:MOTORS:1123
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Post by aileronjack on Feb 9, 2010 21:44:24 GMT -5
Hey Alley: Thanx for the link to the e-bay site. I have it booked marked for a day when the wife is not standing close by. Are you planning to clean up the hole at the header/muffler junction? I was thinking maybe a dremmel bit or a grinding/polishing bit for a drill. On a scale form 1 - 10 how much do you suppose the deformed hole shape affects the performance. 1 being not much at all and 10 being drastically affects and must be fixed.
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