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Post by als01seville on Nov 13, 2009 12:16:03 GMT -5
Hi Troops, Forgot to mention the CVT area is not hot, could it be due to the very small fins on the Prodigy Variator compared to the larger fins on the OEM Variator Fans?
Could the OEM Variator Fan with the larger fins be used with the Prodigy 115mm Variator? Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Nov 13, 2009 13:23:28 GMT -5
Hi Troops, Well I believe I found what is and or what causes the problem with the low rpms. I check out the Variator and IF the belt is pushed out all the way which means the center of the Variators are touching at least one Slider and or Roller will come out of the bin and lay there either on its side or gets hung up on its edge. So what does that mean, it means the Rollers or SLiders have to a bit bigger in diameter to stay in the bin and not jump out. So since we always get 18X14 is there a slightly bigger Roller or is Slider in diameter that would work? Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Nov 14, 2009 1:05:02 GMT -5
Hi Troops, Since my test with the OEM smaller Variator and 115mm fan went well this morning with 11g rollers at 7800 rpms. The mark on the variator had 1/8 left on it just like I expected as well as the 7800 rpms. Also the CVT was not so hot, you could leave your hand on it and it would not burn you. Since the Prodigy back plate was a tight fit on the Crank shaft I smoothed it out with a little sandpaper and it slide right on without binding. So i installed 12g Sliders and put the OEM Variator Fan with the bigger fins and that should keep it cooler and I will test tomorrow. With the 12g Sliders I expect the rpms to be around 7200-7500 and over 50mph.
My bando belts are stretched and width is just under 3/4 so they are worn, so the results may be off. But I just ordered 3 PowerGates belts and they should help on the top end and all around performance. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Nov 14, 2009 17:59:14 GMT -5
Hi Troops, Well last night I put in the Prodigy Variator but first I hit the hole with some sandpaper and smooth out some burrs it had causing it to bind putting it on and taking it off. I put in 12G Sliders and the OEM 115mm Variator Fan for more cooling. Rode about 20 mile today testing it out and it is running like a CHAMP. Rpms go up to 7500 rpms at 55mph. It has good pull and pickup and Gets to 45 pretty quick. So I am right on the max power band. When the new belts arrive and put one on I think I will put in 3-12G Sliders and 3-13G sliders for a combo of 12.5 and get it to around 7200-7300 or so and see if I like it there if not I will change back to all 12G Sliders. And the CVT is MUCH cooler probably due to the bigger fins on the OEM Variator fan. Alleyoop
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Post by JR on Nov 15, 2009 21:09:59 GMT -5
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Post by "Big Guy" on Nov 16, 2009 0:21:04 GMT -5
Wow... it has a pull start on it... cool!
-Rich
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Post by als01seville on Nov 16, 2009 0:36:42 GMT -5
Hi Jrryan, Thats a pretty good price, I paid $4,499.98 for two shipped. I noticed that this one has the Reverse on the Left Handlbar Like Dwild62's Trike, Mine has the Reverse on the right side by the running board. Also it says it has Rear Drum Brake which I do not believe I think it has Disc Brakes Front and Rear just like mine. Also if thats the one they are selling it is used did you notice the color on the muffler and pipe, its been run preety good already. Also it will never do 65+ mph:) Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Nov 16, 2009 0:40:51 GMT -5
Hay Rich What is the float height for Keihin 24mm 150cc? I'm see 2 height measurements, I'm not sure which one is right..
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Nov 16, 2009 0:45:11 GMT -5
Hi Troops, I know some Scoots have the same instrument panel like the one shown on the PST150H Trike. It is hard to see in the daylight because the background is black and the lighting shows as red. Has anyone changed the bulb to a clear or done anything to brighten at least the speedometer area. Alleyoop
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Post by "Big Guy" on Nov 16, 2009 7:52:16 GMT -5
Hay Rich What is the float height for Keihin 24mm 150cc? I'm see 2 height measurements, I'm not sure which one is right.. David Sr. From the bottom of the float to the carburetor body gasket is 19mm where the float is at rest and just touching the pin. -Rich
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Post by JR on Nov 16, 2009 8:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by WildMan on Nov 16, 2009 14:12:46 GMT -5
Rich & JRR Thank You, looks like both the measurements I had were wrong, think I'll go w/ the 19mm..
JRR which book do you have, I should buy one.. I don't care for working on engines blind..
I'm going to go back to step 1 on the carb, in hopes to try & get some color & get my cold start back..
David Sr.
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Post by JR on Nov 16, 2009 15:22:30 GMT -5
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Post by WildMan on Nov 17, 2009 19:28:49 GMT -5
Alleyoop Question, how tight is the drive chain on your BEAR?? Do you have a little slack? I just got a response from Scooter Dynasty, their mechanic said the jumping could be from drive chain being to tight.. Not exactly sure how??
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Nov 17, 2009 19:52:54 GMT -5
Dwild62, the chain they say should have a little play and not tight. I think they if you push it down it should move about 1/4 of an inch or so. The other test is grab the chain by the back of the Rear Sprocket and pull it should not be so loose as to almost come off a tooth. Well too tight could jump a tooth because when you put torque to the sprocket it will even make the chain tighter and pull the chain over a tooth. They also say if you have a little play you will have a better take off when the Torque findly hits the chain. Alleyoop Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Nov 20, 2009 0:19:53 GMT -5
Hi Troops, Just to update the information I got from Dr. Pulley. They no longer send out a shorter Boss. So the Boss that comes with the kit is same as OEM about 2 1/32 inches long. But since they had millions of shims laying around they still include them in the kit. So you can use them as washers for something else:) Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Nov 20, 2009 0:48:48 GMT -5
Now to update this thread with the last problems with my Trike. I was running with the Prodigy Variator and 13G Sliders and 1/16 shorten Boss max rpms was 6800 would not reach 7000rpms. Max speed was 54mph, the belt was a tad short of the top. Then on a Saturday after a nice long ride came back home and decided to put in 12G Sliders to get the rpms near my power band and better mid range acceleration. Took it out for a test spin and the rpms would only go to 6000-6100 at 45mph. Came back home and took off the CVT cover and the Crank shaft and Variators where sizzling hot. I let it cool down put in 11g rollers and the same thing happened. Let it cool down put in 12g rollers and the same thing happened. Ordered a performance Coil, performance CDI, Iridium plug, tested it out same thing 6000 rpms 45mph. Had the mechanic pick up my Trike had him Adjust the valves change oils, adjust the Carb float and clean out the carb, and still same problem. The only thing that was fixed was the Cold start Idle. I now press the start button and it cranks up and idles up to 2000 rpms until it warms up and it slowly drops down to 1500 rpms (BEAUTIFUL). So I took Dwild62 advice to take out the shorten boss and put in Full Syn 10-40 oil. I did that PLUS changed to the OEM Variator Fan with the bigger fins since it was getting so hot I figured it should suck in more air. I left the Prodigy Variator and put in 12G SLiders with the OEM Variator fan. Did a test run and the RPMS CLIMBED to 7500 rpms which is what I expected with the 12g Sliders. And thats what I have been running with the last week or so. Yesterday my new Powerlink belts arrived so I put BACK the Prodigy Variator Fan and a new Powerlink belt and marked the Variator to see how far the belt is goin up the Variator. I have not tested because its been raining here, but Tomorrow Friday its not going to rain just a little cool in the high 40s. So I can't wait until the sun comes up tomrrow and will report back on the results.
So I am still puzzled as to why this happened, and what could have caused it or do I still have some kind of problem. Maybe the weights were getting stuck or something, but I can't imagine all the weights I tried and all were getting stuck giving me the same RPMS 6000-6100. But I hope tomorrow will give me the good results as I had with the OEM Variator Fan and OEM Boss. The Rpms should drop by 100 or so due to the Prodigy Variator Fan because now the belt should go up quicker and would result in a little lower rpms. I am hopeing the rpms will drop down from 7500 to between 7100-7300. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Nov 20, 2009 16:43:02 GMT -5
Hi Troops, Tested today and its running like a top. I have the Prodigy Variator and Fan 12g Sliders, OEM Boss and a brand new powerlink belt. It runs wot at 7200 rpms at 55mph, PERFECT just what I was looking for. It also has good pull and mid range power with the 12G Sliders. It has 1/16 left on the variator. Alleyoop
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Post by JR on Nov 20, 2009 18:49:49 GMT -5
Just threw ya a bone for all the hard work and I'm thinking it was the belt all along and possibly a roller hanging along the way too! But the important thing is it's where you want it now! JRR
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Post by als01seville on Nov 20, 2009 19:30:12 GMT -5
Hi Jrryan, Yes it is running sweet and the engine is not screaming. My wife said NOW DON'T TOUCH IT:) I told her I have to, the LED LIGHTS ARE COMING in I have to LIGHT IT UP NOW:) Thanks Guys, hey due to the Science Project I have better stuff on it now, performane coil, performance CDI, Iridium plug, valves adjusted which starts on the 1st push of the button and idles up all by itself, Full Syn recommended by Dwild62 (slippery is good). And not to leave out I HAVE LEARNED a BUNCH from you guys. I can't wait to put in the LEDs and Jrryan I will try and take before and after pictures of the lights. So how do I throw you Turkey's a bone? Alleyoop
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Post by JR on Nov 20, 2009 20:24:34 GMT -5
Well right under each members ID you see the words DAWG Bones and the number they have and right under that you see the word Give in blue just click on it to whatever member you want to give one and it will add a bone to their total! You can only give one per hour and the give sign will not appear on members again until that hour is up. Of course this does not appear on your area as you cannot give yourself a bone! LOL
Yea I would touch it either although I think the shorter boss would get that 1/16" LOL I told ya that I thought the shims were for a shorter boss!! LOL JRR
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Post by als01seville on Nov 20, 2009 21:50:10 GMT -5
Hi Jrryan, Just threw you a LEG:) since mine is short:) Thanks bud Alley
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Post by JR on Nov 20, 2009 22:09:51 GMT -5
Well than ya Alley and one back at ya, you deserve it as you have opened up a lot ground here on these trikes that won't do nothing but help other folks who get one! JRR
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Post by "Big Guy" on Nov 20, 2009 22:49:05 GMT -5
Well right under each members ID you see the words DAWG Bones and the number they have and right under that you see the word Give in blue just click on it ... Ewwww... (shudder)... JR is giving out computer advise! Now that's scary! -Rich
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Post by JR on Nov 20, 2009 22:57:59 GMT -5
Well right under each members ID you see the words DAWG Bones and the number they have and right under that you see the word Give in blue just click on it ... Ewwww... (shudder)... JR is giving out computer advise! Now that's scary! -Rich All right there now that's enough of that! Don't make me bring up those old 88 stories! ;D
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Post by als01seville on Nov 20, 2009 22:58:16 GMT -5
Hi Rich, Well his instructions were clear, concise and to the point, I CANNOT GIVE MYSELF A BONE:) Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Nov 23, 2009 1:05:49 GMT -5
Hi Troops, I was just telling David Sr. that I was looking at the cvt cover on our trikes with the Pull Start. And found that the air inlet is only letting air into half the side and its to the Rope Pulley side. The other half which would let air directly on the Vairator and Clutch Pulley is not open. So I think I will cut out the other half to let direct air hit the Variator and Clutch and also get some mesh wireing and put it over the air inlet and put the Rubber cover with the big holes over the mesh wiring. WHATA THINK? Or is there a reason why the other half which would direct air staright to the Vairator not have an opening? Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Nov 23, 2009 12:54:34 GMT -5
Hi Troops, November 23, 2009 little chilly out but hey just dress warm:) Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Nov 23, 2009 19:25:03 GMT -5
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Post by WildMan on Nov 23, 2009 20:16:40 GMT -5
Alleyoop It'll fit..
David Sr.
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