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Post by luighseach on Oct 15, 2009 23:46:04 GMT -5
On the subject of hitting the ground at speed or a straight drop. Why do you think that people who make a habit of jumping off of tall things (parkour for example) roll out of the fall? Because it distributes and reduces the force, rather than it all being onto one portion of your body. Something to think about eh? Though this argument that you guys are having is completely flawed... too many variables for anything to be consistent when falling off a motorcycle.
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Post by Alsenor on Oct 16, 2009 10:46:39 GMT -5
On the subject of hitting the ground at speed or a straight drop. Why do you think that people who make a habit of jumping off of tall things (parkour for example) roll out of the fall? Because it distributes and reduces the force, rather than it all being onto one portion of your body. Something to think about eh? Though this argument that you guys are having is completely flawed... too many variables for anything to be consistent when falling off a motorcycle. Although, going along with your correct example, one thing is universally consistent. Most experienced riders generally made a practice of learning to roll when hitting the road, for all the quoted reasons. That is usually a good thing, as long as you remember (or have acquired the instinct!) to keep your limbs close to the body. Many years ago I had the unfortunate experience of watching my teenage son losing it, while entering a curve too fast after just overtaking me. He rolled, but didn't keep it together, and his head and arms flopped against the road at every roll. The helmet protected his head, but he cracked an elbow in the process. It was painful to watch, as a father, as you can imagine. I blame myself to this day for not having been wise enough to set a slower pace for both of us, and avoid stirring his competitive spirit. But I was in my forties then, and still had to learn a lot.
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Post by owenbrau on Oct 16, 2009 19:38:58 GMT -5
On the subject of hitting the ground at speed or a straight drop. Why do you think that people who make a habit of jumping off of tall things (parkour for example) roll out of the fall? Because it distributes and reduces the force, rather than it all being onto one portion of your body. Something to think about eh? Though this argument that you guys are having is completely flawed... too many variables for anything to be consistent when falling off a motorcycle. "Rolling out" is to reduce the deceleration, much like a helmet does; spread the impact over a longer time (even in milliseconds), and the trauma is lower. But that doesn't apply to impacts that do or do not include movement parallel to the ground.
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Post by luighseach on Oct 17, 2009 1:01:35 GMT -5
On the subject of hitting the ground at speed or a straight drop. Why do you think that people who make a habit of jumping off of tall things (parkour for example) roll out of the fall? Because it distributes and reduces the force, rather than it all being onto one portion of your body. Something to think about eh? Though this argument that you guys are having is completely flawed... too many variables for anything to be consistent when falling off a motorcycle. "Rolling out" is to reduce the deceleration, much like a helmet does; spread the impact over a longer time (even in milliseconds), and the trauma is lower. But that doesn't apply to impacts that do or do not include movement parallel to the ground. You seem to be focused on formulas of hitting the ground at different speeds and angles, whereas everyone else here is talking about falling off of a bike. The two things are wildly different, and if you can't realize that you probably shouldn't be arguing about it. My work is done here, goodnight!
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Post by owenbrau on Oct 17, 2009 8:49:28 GMT -5
Yes, falling off a bike. No matter how fast you are moving (or not moving) forward, you fall down at the same speed. The deceleration from falling is the same, no matter what. Forward only matters if you hit something else besides the ground. That why racers who go down and slide all the way across the track don't get hurt unless they hit something. But if you don't have a helmet on, you can break your skull falling over while sitting still.
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Post by WarrenS on Oct 17, 2009 10:23:11 GMT -5
You will notice that as they slide across the track their helmet isn't hitting the ground.
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Post by Alsenor on Oct 17, 2009 10:24:48 GMT -5
Yes, falling off a bike. No matter how fast you are moving (or not moving) forward, you fall down at the same speed. The deceleration from falling is the same, no matter what. Forward only matters if you hit something else besides the ground. That why racers who go down and slide all the way across the track don't get hurt unless they hit something. But if you don't have a helmet on, you can break your skull falling over while sitting still. Ah, finally Owen got it! You see, he did listen, even while he was arguing against everything we said. We'll give you the last word, Owen, to reiterate how right you are. ;D
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Post by owenbrau on Oct 17, 2009 12:33:29 GMT -5
Since that's what I said the entire time, what are you talking about?
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Post by Alsenor on Oct 17, 2009 15:32:28 GMT -5
Since that's what I said the entire time, what are you talking about? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by owenbrau on Oct 17, 2009 18:20:04 GMT -5
If you think otherwise, that might explain the problem.
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Post by Alsenor on Oct 18, 2009 10:48:47 GMT -5
If you think otherwise, that might explain the problem. We are almost certain that you will "explain" it to us.
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Post by JR on Oct 20, 2009 13:46:16 GMT -5
Well looks like ya finally wore him out there Alsenor!! LOL JRR
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Post by Alsenor on Oct 20, 2009 15:37:12 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D
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