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Post by scosgt on Jun 26, 2009 18:09:57 GMT -5
check out the citycom 300i Does not have flat floorboards. And I really don't want a rolling couch or land yacht. The HD 200 and the KYMCO Peoples S 200 fit me perfectly
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Post by barnone on Jun 26, 2009 19:34:58 GMT -5
barnone - I haven't been able to find a female connection (for the bike) for connecting the box brake light. By removing the seat bucket you can access the wiring to the rear of the bike. The top box that I put on the HD does not have the brake light - the one that SYM supplies w/the brake light is pretty cheesy. I use the Shad 29 - seem to hold up well - ootscoot, Thanks for the info on the top box brake light wiring. I looked at the wiring diagram and didn't see any wires that were labeled for the top box brake light. I'll pull the seat bucket and tap into the tail light brake wire and find a ground.
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Post by barnone on Jun 27, 2009 6:37:35 GMT -5
Bestem 42 liter Top Box
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Post by slowscootin07 on Jun 27, 2009 21:28:58 GMT -5
Barnone-- take the seat bucket out and look back by the gas tank- There is a connector that goes to the rear harness. Get an inline splice connector and connect it to the wire that you see in this picture. This is where I put my brake light modulator, but I had to cut the line for a serial connection to the modulator. All you have to do is to clamp on a parallel splice to the same wire. I grounded the modulator on the fuel sending unit and you can too with the 3rd brakelight. Use a simple test light to confirm it's the same wire as mine, to be sure, but I have no doubt they will be. If you haven't already, then download the manuals from my site. They are in full color and "clickable" functions are enabled in the .PDF format. Unfortunately the wiring diagram is blurry---dern it. www.jeffs-hotsauces.com/manuals.htm
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Post by slowscootin07 on Jun 27, 2009 21:47:58 GMT -5
I have several of the new HD200 EVO bikes in my shop. They are essentially the same as the '08s and early '09s but they do have the new disc/disc brakes. They handle beautifully. Good to see SYM update the essentials and keep the quality. My HD200 is the '08 version w/ rear drum, I like it for the country roads - controlled slowing, but in city driving, the rear disc is great for stop and go. The Citycom 300i is the only SYM at present in the US w/ fuel injection, a bigger, heavier bike than the HDs but still very agile and quick - not as big as a touring bike but with all the power of one. Are they the true Oversea's EVO's. White??? Do they have the slug eye turn signals? Do they have the on/dim/off switch for the head light by the starter switch? I doubt the DOT would allow that, but it seems SYM has done a bit of re-tooling for the US market. It kinda ticks me off a bit since I've done the research and it would cost about 800.00 and a lot of time to "convert" a drum HD to a disk HD rear brake. I had a lot of conversations with Moore and Large reps (UK SYM dealers) and the motor/CVT assembly and the swing arm assemblies are not the same as the drum rear brakes. Please look a bit closer at the two together EVO and HD and try to confirm this for me? The differences are very apparent from what I've in seen the past US/UK differences. If Carter is importing a newer version that is crankcase/cvt compatible with the drum brake cases, tehn the upgrade for us current disk/drum riders may be able to do the swap a whole lot cheaper and definitely easier. Pictures, pictures, we demand pictures )))
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Post by slowscootin07 on Jun 27, 2009 21:58:06 GMT -5
Just installed a Bestem 42 liter top box on my HD200. Info over on the Yahoo SYM group. Jeff, Do you have a number for the bulbs to replace the dummy bulbs? Thanks Sorry, missed this one-- The dummy bulbs are regular 1156 style base for the rear. The front dummies are the same 1156 style base---BUT--- one of the tabs is cockeyed, not parallel, and is a different style used mostly in european vehicles. Sorry, I don't know the number off hand, but filing down one of the tabs on a regular 1156 base bulb will fit and they've done nicely for me for over 3800 miles.
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Post by barnone on Jun 27, 2009 22:42:54 GMT -5
slowscootin07, Thanks for the info regarding hooking the top box brake light up. I do have a down load copy of the service manua frm your site. Also thanks for the dummy light replacement info.
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Post by ootscoot on Jun 27, 2009 23:18:52 GMT -5
ok guys, I'll try to figure out how to get some pictures of the EVO and the earlier '09 and '08 so we can find the differences..the EVO has the same turn signals and is only available in the same colors (no white). No on/off light switch. My distributer says that SYM USA has them in stock for the US market - even CARBed, but will not be releasing them until they sell off more of the earlier '09s...now gotta figure out how to post pictures here...I know there is a how to post somewhere...
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Post by barnone on Jun 28, 2009 18:26:29 GMT -5
slowscootin07 and ootscoot, I connected up the brake light on my Bestem top box thanks to you guys. The brake light wire on my 2008 is the green/yellow wire. I used the ground at the sending unit for the fuel gauge.
Now for the leds. I might make the rear "dummy" turn signals into red running lights by rewiring. The front "dummy" turn signal light might become amber running lights.
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Post by ootscoot on Jun 28, 2009 22:15:23 GMT -5
nope I guess not..I tried w/ my flikr account...I'll keep at it...
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Post by ootscoot on Jun 28, 2009 22:18:22 GMT -5
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Post by ootscoot on Jun 28, 2009 22:25:27 GMT -5
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Post by koncedrider on Jun 28, 2009 22:31:46 GMT -5
ootscoot, That is so cool. There is no doubt braking from 60+ that the 200 could use a rear disc. Is the front disc gold too?
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Post by slowscootin07 on Jun 28, 2009 22:40:18 GMT -5
When you want to add a picture that is hosted on the internet, then click on the picture next to the world. You'll see this (img)(/img) without the parenthesis and brackets instead. Then paste in the link between the two brackets (no spaces) and it should work like this-- Thanks for the photos- That is the UK crankcase and CVT assembly and is NOT interchangeable with the Drum versions---DAMMITT. The whole mounting system is different and the eventhough the motor is the same internally, the disc motor matches the disc CVT only as the Drum motor matches the drum CVT only. I still have a plan and it is going to be expensive if and when I get to it.
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Post by ootscoot on Jun 28, 2009 22:50:35 GMT -5
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Post by slowscootin07 on Jun 28, 2009 23:03:16 GMT -5
That third picture definitely confirms that it is the UK model. you would think that all you have to do is swap out the right swing arm-- nope-- It absolutely won't fit the drum models. Running the lines is easy, swapping the actual handle bar isn't so tough and the drum version wheel is ready for tapping holes to mount the rotor, but figuring out a caliper mount is the tricky part and NO NO NO, this metal can't be welded or even tigged--bummer
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Post by schoei1 on Jun 28, 2009 23:16:39 GMT -5
On regular Chinese scooter 13" rims, the drum brake can be removed to fit a disk rim. Will that not work on the SYM HD200 with the disk on the exhaust side?
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Post by ootscoot on Jun 28, 2009 23:22:51 GMT -5
I did think that all that was needed would be the right swing arm mount, the left looks the same as the drum - even has the lower mount for drum brake arm...I would have liked to up grade my existing 2008 and a few 2009s...but I admit I am not the mechanic at my shop, and I normally try to keep my mechanic from modifying brand new unsold merchandise...
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Post by slowscootin07 on Jun 29, 2009 0:41:30 GMT -5
I did think that all that was needed would be the right swing arm mount, the left looks the same as the drum - even has the lower mount for drum brake arm...I would have liked to up grade my existing 2008 and a few 2009s...but I admit I am not the mechanic at my shop, and I normally try to keep my mechanic from modifying brand new unsold merchandise... I was assured by Carter(US) and Moore Large and Co (UK) that the swing arm swap wouldn't work. I didn't even want to touch the left side and just wanted to disable the drum (or create a parking brake or sorts.) All I wanted to do was swap out the right swing arm since it has the caliper mounting and they said it plain and simple wouldn't work since they are different sizes. They said the shocks were mounted differently and the arm itself wouldn't fit on a drum style axle. Now granted, I haven't actually seen the two together to take measurements I don't see why I would have been mislead, but who knows. ootscoot, if I were closer to you, I'd be there in a heartbeat:) I guess I'll just have to wait until some dealers out this way get the EVO. Shoei-- The rim itself can be tapped to fit the rotor, but there is no way to maount the caliper----yet... The handle bar also doesn't have the provision for a master cylinder so a UK model has to be swapped--- but, The UK models don't have the mounting for the slug eyes. I'm thinking that this may be a new handle bar for the US EVO's. I have to use a one with the slug eye mounts simply because of my speakers are mounted there
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Post by barnone on Jun 30, 2009 6:36:48 GMT -5
slow, How about tapping the wheel for the disc, make a bracket that can be bolted around the swing arm to mount the caliper, and installing the master cylinder under the floor of the scooter with a pedal there. Leave the rear drum as is. Three brake system.
Regarding the parking brake, my Suzuki ATV has a hook on the hand brake that locks the rear drum brake. It also has a pedal for the rear brake on the right side.
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Post by barnone on Jun 30, 2009 16:24:06 GMT -5
Photo of my HD200 at over 5200' on the Cherohala Skyway. She handled it just fine.
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Post by barnone on Jul 3, 2009 13:00:22 GMT -5
I just installed a magnetic drain plug in my HD200. Ebay item 380127406146 Perfect fit and even pre drilled for safety wire if you want to go scooter racing.LOL Now I would like to find one for the final drive (transmission). I got a MDP for the final drive from the same source and installed it today in my HD200. It's the one for the Big Ruckus. Should be interesting on next oil change.
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Post by scosgt on Jul 3, 2009 14:59:01 GMT -5
BY "final drive" do you mean the gear oil?
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Post by barnone on Jul 3, 2009 19:08:35 GMT -5
My bad, I am use to drive shaft bikes and on them, its called the final drive. SYM calls it a transmission. I would call the CVT the transmission but what do I know. The MDP replaced the OEM gear oil drain plug. I also have a MDP in place of the OEM engine oil drain plug.
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Post by barnone on Jul 6, 2009 17:37:22 GMT -5
I tried to take off the dash cover on my HD-200 last night. Spotted five screews (2 left; 2 right; 1 bottom center) and took them off. Couldn't remove dash cover. What am I missing? Believe it of not, I've never fully removed the dash cover, but I have split them apart to get at the dummy bulbs in the steering column. There are locking tabs holding the two pieces together and it's easier to remove the front half as the cluster half is a butt load harder to do. There is a hidden screw under the front half on the very bottom. Here are the locations of the locking tabs and there are 2 more on the ends by the grips. They are circled in yellow. Ignore the red ones as they were for someone else trying to remove the windscreen. just curiuos as to what you're trying to do??? slow, I changed out the tail/brake light, front and rear DOT stalk blinkers, and rear dummy bulbs with leds and so far so good. Lost the clicker as you mentioned, no big deal. Now on to the front dummy bulbs, do you think that these amber offset pin #581 led (Ebay item 320365959802) will fit? I see the three screws you mentioned above. Do I have to remove the DOT front stalks and the mirrors? Thanks
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Post by scosgt on Jul 6, 2009 18:30:54 GMT -5
What is the number of the tail/brake light that is in there? I want to pick up a spare. What LED number did you use? Is it brighter than the original?
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Post by barnone on Jul 6, 2009 20:27:49 GMT -5
It's an led version of a 1157 that I ordered off Ebay from Hong Kong. I don't know if it is brighter. Uses less wattage.
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Post by slowscootin07 on Jul 7, 2009 1:11:14 GMT -5
Vince-- That picture was for someone who wanted to remove the small windscreen to put a larger windshield on, You won't have to take off any of those bolts to swap the bulbs. The yellow circles are where the locking tabs that hold the two halves together are. There are also another pair near the end by the hand grips. You will have to take the mirrors and the slug eyes to get the cases apart for sure. The instrument cluster half will stay put and the forward half is the one that actually moves away. Sorry bud, but those won't fit as they are too wide and too long if I remember correctly. There is almost zero room in there and the head of the bulb has to be the same width of the base. The base style is correct as they are a bit offset, but any 1156 style will work if you file one of the pins down. I did that and they are nice and locked in You'll need something like this-- www.superbrightleds.com/specs/115x-xLX3.htmThese are the types I used for the front dummies, but no the actual ones. You really need to be about the same diameter of the base and not much bigger than the dummy you pull out. Hope this helps ya
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Post by barnone on Jul 7, 2009 7:19:58 GMT -5
slow, That info helps a lot. Thanks for the info regarding the front dummy bulbs. I'll try and find some leds. If not then I'll probably leave it be.
As an aside, it would be nice if all this information about the SYM HD200 was in one forum. Some info here in different threads, some on ADVrider in different threads, and not much at the SYM Owners Forum. I had hopes for the SYM Owners forum when I found it but it sees to be dead. I gave up on the Yahoo group plus the format is lacking. I belong to good dedicated forums for my other bikes. Maybe you just can't do that much or need to do that much to the HD200?
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Post by barnone on Jul 7, 2009 7:47:29 GMT -5
slow, How about this led? Ebay item 200360449582 Guess I will have to take it apart and do some measuring to see it this led will fit.
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