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Post by slowscootin07 on Jun 16, 2009 17:07:04 GMT -5
gazoo, they are 10mm threads and one left, one right thread The mirrors are 8mm thread (10mm shaft) reverse thread on one side. I apologize as my mic must've slipped They are in fact 8mm threads.
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Post by scosgt on Jun 16, 2009 17:13:03 GMT -5
Hey, that's OK, 8mm are much easier to get!
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Post by barnone on Jun 16, 2009 21:07:00 GMT -5
slowscootin07, Great reviews and updates on the HD200. I'm going to look at a used(40 miles) 2008 one on Thursday. The guy says that it has never been titled. Regarding the side stand, perhaps since there is no side stand switch to prevent someone from riding off with the stand down, SYM rigged it so that when the bike is raised, the stand spring up. Maybe it was a short cut for DOT approval. Anyway, your solution solves the problem.
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Post by shalomdawg on Jun 16, 2009 21:43:42 GMT -5
howdy and thanks for all the review and such. i have the hd200 and am extremely pleased with the power and fuel mileage. have sized up though and the scoot is for sale . i'd like to get 2400 for it. they sell new now for 3800. am in south eastern washington. it's ready to ride home wherever that is.
lotsa miles and smiles to ya ken
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Post by gazoo on Jun 16, 2009 22:12:44 GMT -5
Jeff:
I'm trying to put on a removable mount for my GPS cradle (or, if I get really motivated, my XM Radio) on the right side, between the instrument display and the kill switch. I'm trying to get it to be as close to flush mount as I can.
Attempt #1 wasn't quite good enough for me. I had super glued on a suction cup mounting plate. However, the full mount stuck out too much for my taste. I then tried to fashion a mount that eliminated the neck and would attach to the plate with heavy duty velcro. Better, but not quite good enough.
Attempt #2 was more interesting. I put on a Ram-mount type mount that would provide for a more secure attachment and allow me to remove the cradle when the GPS was not needed. Unfortunately, that required me to remove the suction cup plate (did I mention it was on with Super Glue?). My little HD-200 was none too happy with that maneuver and the cleanup was quite extensive. Thankfully, when I put on the Ram-mount it covered up most of the mess I had made. For the remainder, I fashioned a make-shift bezel out of a black flexible 1/4 inch wide trim strip which I had to reduce to 1/8 inch wide to get it to bend around the sharp corners. It actually looks pretty good and matches the switch/bezel layout of the other controls on the dash.
The really cool part is the cradle, which I customized to fit nearly flush with the Ram-mount (no neck, yet still adjustable). I'll post pix once I get it all finished and tested.
Right now the Ram-mount is on with 3M sticky tape, which is actually gripping quite well (even over the super glue I could not remove). However, I'd like to secure it better with machine screws mating with a washer and lock nut on the inside.
Are you now sorry you asked?
By the way, thanks for confirming the 8mm threads on the mirrors. I had actually lined up a 10mm thread extender from a Web site that one of the other dogs had mentioned. But that's ok; I'll look for one with 8mm threads.
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Post by scosgt on Jun 16, 2009 22:35:10 GMT -5
Actually, the 8mm threads are NOT reversed on either side, both screw in clockwise. I ordered a spare set of mirrors from Carter Bros (mirrors take a beating here in NY, it is good to have a spare on hand) and while I have not removed the original mirrors, the replacements come in a box that is clearly marked HD125/HD200, and they are definately standard threads, not reverse on either side. The lock nuts take a 12mm wrench. These are virutally identical in every way to the original SYM mirrors (the glass quality may not be as good but I am using a pair on my Benelli and they work fine) and they are way cheaper: cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=160340135536I suspect they may be made in the same Chinese factory. They are that close to identical.
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Post by slowscootin07 on Jun 16, 2009 23:10:39 GMT -5
slowscootin07, Great reviews and updates on the HD200. I'm going to look at a used(40 miles) 2008 one on Thursday. The guy says that it has never been titled. Regarding the side stand, perhaps since there is no side stand switch to prevent someone from riding off with the stand down, SYM rigged it so that when the bike is raised, the stand spring up. Maybe it was a short cut for DOT approval. Anyway, your solution solves the problem. DOT just requires that there is a kill switch for the motor, stand or not. The "automatic" side stand is popular in Europe and just about standard. it's kind of funny that when I brought this up a little over a year ago, the 2009 SYM's don't have it. All it is is a different bolt upon assembly, that's all. Be real careful with a scooter that doesn't have a title and trust no one and I mean no one. at absolute minimum have a Notary Public involved in the transaction. Better still, you both go to your DMV and do the paperwork together. A bill of sale and an MCO is jack squat around here. I don't know your state, but you'd better do it right or you can lose it and your money. Been there, done that....
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Post by slowscootin07 on Jun 16, 2009 23:15:16 GMT -5
howdy and thanks for all the review and such. i have the hd200 and am extremely pleased with the power and fuel mileage. have sized up though and the scoot is for sale . i'd like to get 2400 for it. they sell new now for 3800. am in south eastern washington. it's ready to ride home wherever that is. lotsa miles and smiles to ya ken Ken, put it up for sale in the flea market section here. I'm sure someone will scoop it up Hell If I were in a little better financial situation right now, I'd pay to have it shipped here for Lynn
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Post by slowscootin07 on Jun 16, 2009 23:28:00 GMT -5
Actually, the 8mm threads are NOT reversed on either side, both screw in clockwise. I ordered a spare set of mirrors from Carter Bros (mirrors take a beating here in NY, it is good to have a spare on hand) and while I have not removed the original mirrors, the replacements come in a box that is clearly marked HD125/HD200, and they are definately standard threads, not reverse on either side. The lock nuts take a 12mm wrench. These are virutally identical in every way to the original SYM mirrors (the glass quality may not be as good but I am using a pair on my Benelli and they work fine) and they are way cheaper: cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=160340135536I suspect they may be made in the same Chinese factory. They are that close to identical. Interesting. In all honesty I have taken them off and on so many times, I never realized it. After reading this post, I went out and checked. Yep, both are the same rotating. As long as the mirror can rotate 180 degrees, then the thead direction won't matter anyway. Now our Xingyue is a different story and the mirrors do not rotate 180 degrees and the left will not work on the right and the threads are "reversed" so they are uni-mount only---interesting...
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Post by barnone on Jun 17, 2009 6:39:44 GMT -5
[ [/quote] Be real careful with a scooter that doesn't have a title and trust no one and I mean no one. [/quote] slow, Good advice regarding the possible title issue. Unless the seller is someone I know, I go to DMV office with the seller and do the transaction there to make sure all the paper work is correct. I've had a few problems in the past with getting a title, even from a dealer.
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Post by barnone on Jun 18, 2009 17:34:59 GMT -5
slow, I bought and brought her home today. He had a title which (along with a bill of sale) which we had to get notarized here in NC. She now has 59 miles after my 19 mile test ride. She's the dark blue color. Think I will add a top box (have one in Florida) and a little larger windshield. Gotta stop swinging my leg over the top. Tonight, I'll read the owner's manual, tomorrow check the fluids,tires,etc, and Saturday take her over the Dragon (US129) to Alcoa,TN for a scooter ride sponsored by the SYM dealer there. Info at www.alcoagoodtimes.com/default.aspThanks for all the reviews and info. PS. First thing I did when I got her home was your side stand mod. I removed the bolt and hack sawed off the end since my air cutoff tools are in Florida.
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Post by gateway109 on Jun 20, 2009 6:29:57 GMT -5
How long did the valve adjustment take and would tools did it require? I have never done one before but might give it a go.
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Post by barnone on Jun 21, 2009 14:03:20 GMT -5
How long did the valve adjustment take and would tools did it require? I have never done one before but might give it a go. Took maybe a hour or so but I went slow and was very careful removing the panels. You need 8mm,10mm,etc sockets, phillips screw driver, and a metric feeler gauge for the .12mm +- .02mm adjustment. No special tools required. My gauge has a .11mm and .13mm blade it works just fine. My valves were right at .12mm at 95 miles so didn't need adjustment. I've read here and on other sites that others had the same experience with the adjustment. This bike is right up there or better than Honda,Kawasaki,Suzuki, and Yamaha quality on the bikes that I have worked on and owned. Very impressive. Look at jeff's photos at his webb site and here to get some info on panels to remove and have a copy of the H200 service manual. My copy is on my ASUS 900 eee pc. The service manual says to remove the trunk but didn't find that necessary. I removed the "central cover" and the little panel below that. It's very tight in there but workable. Next tine I going to raise the scooter on some 2x12s to get it up off the floor by 2 feet or so. I found some Bel-Ray Hypoid Gear Oil 85W140 at the SYM dealer in Alcoa,TN yesterday so I changed that today at 295 miles. I couldn't really see the coolant level in the expansion tank window so I removed the front cover to check the level in the tank and went ahead and checked the radiator while I was there. I added a little to the expansion tank. I pulled the air cleaner cover off to take a look at it. Plenty of air cleaner there so it should do the job. I wonder what a dealer gets for the 200 mile service.
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Post by ootscoot on Jun 21, 2009 15:11:31 GMT -5
I am a SYM dealer and owner/rider. We do not charge for the 200 mi. service. We do not typically adjust valves until 1500 mi - even then rarely find any that need it. We change the coolant once a year. The 200/300 mi service consists of oil change, check air filter, check coolant level, adjust rear brake (new '09 have disc/disc), adjust carb, tighten nuts and bolts (again rarely needed). You are right Vince - these bikes (HD200 and RV250) are some of the best built I have seen.Of course I am a dealer and like to promote my product, but I have checked and ridden and owned almost every brand out there, and the SYM is in my personal and professional opinion one of the best.
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Post by barnone on Jun 21, 2009 18:20:40 GMT -5
ootscoot, What do you adjust on the carb, idle speed? So you don't change the (final drive) transmission oil? I changed mine as per the manual but it looked fine to me, ie no burnt smell or metal flakes.
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Post by ootscoot on Jun 23, 2009 12:02:30 GMT -5
We change the gear oil @ 1000 - 1500 mi. when checking valve clearance. The carb adjust is idle speed. We start out a little high on the idle - bring it down as it breaks in.
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Post by barnone on Jun 23, 2009 15:49:50 GMT -5
I just installed a magnetic drain plug in my HD200. Ebay item 380127406146 Perfect fit and even pre drilled for safety wire if you want to go scooter racing.LOL Now I would like to find one for the final drive (transmission).
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Post by barnone on Jun 23, 2009 15:56:25 GMT -5
We change the gear oil @ 1000 - 1500 mi. when checking valve clearance. The carb adjust is idle speed. We start out a little high on the idle - bring it down as it breaks in. ootscoot, Sounds good. Wish I could find a dealer that does a free initial service. I think that is a great idea and might eliminate some future failures. I'm really enjoying my HD200 and the more I fool with it, the more impressed I am with the quality. Interesting about the 2009s having rear disk brakes. I don't have a problem with the rear drums on bikes but some other riders do. Actually the rear drum seems to bite better than the front disk. Is fuel injection coming in the future?
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Post by scosgt on Jun 23, 2009 18:12:54 GMT -5
I have a 2009 HD 200 and the rear brake is drum.
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Post by cruiser66 on Jun 23, 2009 18:26:29 GMT -5
According to the SYM-USA site, the rear is a drum.
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Post by barnone on Jun 23, 2009 19:59:19 GMT -5
ootscoot did say that the "(new 09 have disc/disc)". Maybe it's a new change?
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Post by slowscootin07 on Jun 23, 2009 20:19:32 GMT -5
ootscoot did say that the "(new 09 have disc/disc)". Maybe it's a new change? The Disc Disc version is almost an entirely different bike and it made for the Europe and Asia. The engine and cvt assembly are entirely different as is the suspension and the wiring. I guess we shall see, but, I'd bet that they are in fact rear drum still.
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Post by barnone on Jun 26, 2009 7:50:26 GMT -5
Just installed a Bestem 42 liter top box on my HD200. Info over on the Yahoo SYM group. Jeff, Do you have a number for the bulbs to replace the dummy bulbs? Thanks
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Post by ootscoot on Jun 26, 2009 10:10:38 GMT -5
I have several of the new HD200 EVO bikes in my shop. They are essentially the same as the '08s and early '09s but they do have the new disc/disc brakes. They handle beautifully. Good to see SYM update the essentials and keep the quality. My HD200 is the '08 version w/ rear drum, I like it for the country roads - controlled slowing, but in city driving, the rear disc is great for stop and go. The Citycom 300i is the only SYM at present in the US w/ fuel injection, a bigger, heavier bike than the HDs but still very agile and quick - not as big as a touring bike but with all the power of one.
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Post by barnone on Jun 26, 2009 13:24:03 GMT -5
ootscoot, Good to hear about the rear disc upgrade on the EVO 09s. I have a question. Where should I tap into the wiring harness for a led brake light on my Bestem top box? The SYM top box has a brake light right? Is there some existing bayonet female connectors hidden away back by the tail light? Thanks
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Post by scosgt on Jun 26, 2009 13:45:57 GMT -5
But the EVO is a somewhat different bike than the HD200, isn't it?
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Post by ootscoot on Jun 26, 2009 15:39:43 GMT -5
scosgt - I have an early '09 and the Evo - both HD200, the only difference I can see is the disc brake...I was not supposed to get them yet - Carter wants to sell their existing '09 HD200s before releasing the EVO, but they sent 2 by mistake - I think they look better with the gold calipers (dual piston), they ride and sound and feel the same as the HD200. even priced the same...
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Post by ootscoot on Jun 26, 2009 16:44:54 GMT -5
barnone - I haven't been able to find a female connection (for the bike) for connecting the box brake light. By removing the seat bucket you can access the wiring to the rear of the bike. The top box that I put on the HD does not have the brake light - the one that SYM supplies w/the brake light is pretty cheesy. I use the Shad 29 - seem to hold up well -
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Post by scosgt on Jun 26, 2009 17:52:05 GMT -5
scosgt - I have an early '09 and the Evo - both HD200, the only difference I can see is the disc brake...I was not supposed to get them yet - Carter wants to sell their existing '09 HD200s before releasing the EVO, but they sent 2 by mistake - I think they look better with the gold calipers (dual piston), they ride and sound and feel the same as the HD200. even priced the same... Damn, now I'm gonna have to buy ANOTHER bike! Seriously, if they would take that bike, with the rear disk, add a glove box (even a small one, big enough to hold a cup of coffee) and a 250cc, that would be a world beater.
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Post by ootscoot on Jun 26, 2009 17:59:28 GMT -5
check out the citycom 300i
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