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Post by cosmo3405 on Feb 4, 2010 10:57:17 GMT -5
David, Thanks for the post. You are a gentleman and a scholar. I wish someone would manufacture these trikes in the US. I'm sure it would be a much better product. Afterall, we put a man on the moon and I know we could do a much better job. Mike
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Post by WildMan on Feb 4, 2010 11:43:45 GMT -5
Mike This is true, but the $ would also be much higher too...
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Feb 4, 2010 12:06:29 GMT -5
Mike, Where are the pictures of your carb setup with the uni filter, there are only two screws holding the cover to it and get those numbers off the tire. It will only take 5 minutes of your time.
I also just ran the numbers on the Speed to Tire Calculator using the specs from the dealer saying that the rear are 205/30-12 and Dwild62 is right your tires are almost 1mph SLOWER in rotation than ours. So it appears its not the tires that is giving you over 10mph speeds.
Thats why we need the numbers OFF the tires to get it right. The tire specs from the dealer are LOW PROFILE TIRES on 12" rims which are just a little smaller in diameter than ours. Alleyoop
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Post by cosmo3405 on Feb 4, 2010 14:31:27 GMT -5
Alleyoop, I haven't forgotten about photos for you. Tinkering with my scooter is not my day job. )) I'm pretty sure my rear tires are made in China. I'll put a ruler to them for you so you can have the actual physical dimensions if the labeling is off like you have suggested. Mike
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Post by als01seville on Feb 4, 2010 14:40:37 GMT -5
Mike, Yes just about all the tires on Scooters come from China. They are not going to put on Goodyears, Michilin tires on them:) Mike do not measure just write down whats on the Tire. The NAME of the manufacturer and the numbers I mentioned, measuring will not tell us the Max Load and or the Speed rating. All the tires have the sizes on them and usually in two flavors, on in inches like 18x11-12 and in metric 205/30-12.
The labeling should not be off on whats on the tire. I just mentioned NOT to give us the numbers of what the SPECS from the dealer says because they LIE A LOT:) GO STRAIGHT to the tire and see what it says. Alleyoop
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Post by cosmo3405 on Feb 5, 2010 12:44:43 GMT -5
Alleyoop, I looked at my tires this morning in the light. They are SUN F 205/30-12 DOT tires, from Taizhou Taiyangfeng, Ltd., KGS/LBS 2.1/30, Load 307/675, DOT. There are no inch measurements and I looked for something like you suggested for speed rating. There isn't anything. They are 4 ply. Is that good?? Bad?? Mike
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Post by als01seville on Feb 5, 2010 20:34:16 GMT -5
Mike, A lot of the China stuff do not have all of the markings. Some put on the size by inches and metric some just put the metric size and some just put the inch size. A lot of them do not put on the max load or speed rating. The load 307 is good thats per tire, so thats over 600lbs. And 4ply is good you don't want higher ply than that otherwise it will not have any give it will be as hard as a rock:)
So are you taking some pictures for us as most on this forum say "GIVE IT UP" PICTURES:) Alleyoop
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Post by aileronjack on Feb 14, 2010 9:11:04 GMT -5
I guess he's not wanting to post his pictures of his gps at "70 mph" cause it ain't happening.
I got my reverse cable in. Not really looking forward to what all it's gonna take to replace the old one. Somebody tell me it's gonna be like eating a chocolate sunday on a warm Spring day. I also got the Prodigy variator with 12gm rollers. Now, that I am looking forward to. The youtube video I saw made it look as easy as eating a chocolate sunday on a warm spring day. Moreover, I am hoping for the lower RPMs and a slight increase in speed. At 48 yrs old, I am finding that I lean more to the tropical temperatures. I suppose the first 65-70 degree days we get, I am gonna tackle the variator first; then the reverse cable. I haven't taken on the gas gauge as of yet either. That being a minor issue, I still want to give it a shot. Maybe it will be an easy fix.
J
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Post by als01seville on Feb 14, 2010 13:55:26 GMT -5
Aileronjack, Great that you got your parts in. Now about the Reverse Cable. Mine is on the side and is only 3 feet long, so to change mine I can have TWO chocolate Sundays on a warm spring day. On the other hand yours is probably 6 feet long due to it mounting on your Left Handlebar Grip. And I am sure it has ties along the way to the back to hold it against part of the frame. So I do not think you will have any chocolate sundays just a warm spring day:) Its not hard but fishing it down and tieing the new one will be a pain in the you know what.
And yes the Prodigy Vairator with 12gm rollers you should be running around 7000 rpms or little less. Thats what I was running and mine was 6800-6900 with the 12G rollers now with the 12G Sliders its running 7200-7300rpms.
Now what is this about your GAS GAUGE? What is it that you see the problem is? I know all about the Gas Gauge Float and Mechanism that is in the Gas Tank and how it works. So if you can explain what you see is the problem I may be able to help and tell you if you need a new one or that you can fix the one you have. Alleyoop
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Post by aileronjack on Feb 14, 2010 17:18:56 GMT -5
Al: Well, I haven't jumped into the multi-project venture as of yet. But, the gas gauge doesn't work. It left me stranded one day. It will be a secondary effort with the variator and the reverse cable being my primary. I was thinking that after I get it out of the tank, my first effort is to check to see if it is stuck somehow and see what I could do to fix that. After that, I don't know. The needle stays in the"full" position. One thing I didn't mention was the idleing issues I have been having. I cranked it the other day after a few weeks of sitting and it hit 3500 rpms not long (30-45secs) after it fired up. I want to replace all the tubing to the carburetor. I am thinking that it's vaccum related somehow. I may give you or Dwild a shout to get me started there. It'll will be a few days before I get started though. There's no heat on my carport.
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Post by WildMan on Feb 14, 2010 19:20:11 GMT -5
Jack You don't need heat wayyy downnnn there in the swamps!! Try doing it in 12 deg.!! Heck at 12 deg my shop lights don't even work, have to get the old incandescent bulbs out..
Ya either the float disintegrated, or arm is stuck in the up position.. Those floats are polyurethane coated foam, if the polyurethane shell gets breeched, the gas seeps in & disintegrates the foam.. & now that I think of it, I've seen this in action first hand, if the float disintegrated, that could be causing your carb trouble, because that disintegrated foam will be suspended in the gas.. I went through this w/ my "06 Longbo..
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Feb 14, 2010 21:50:21 GMT -5
Aileronjack, GAS GAUSE PROBLEM REGISTERING: Take a wire or anything that gas won't destroy and stick it down in the tank and you will be able to move the Float wire and see if the gauge moves. If its reading full all the time and its NOT FULL its is stuck and by sticking a wire down there and moving the Float Wire that holds the Float you probably will get it unstuck. If it starts to register thats good, but what that means is that its wire is loose by the sliding plate that moves up and down and it will happen again. That is an easy fix but you still have to empty the tank and take it out to fix it. If the Float was disintegrated it would register Empty even when it is full. With no Float the wire will drop down and register empty UNLESS OF COURSE THE WIRE IS STUCK IN THE UP POSITION. I will take close of pictures of the Float Mechanism so you know what I am talking about and since your an RC guy like me I am sure you will have Small Brass Wheel Collars with the set screw:) Thats what I used to tighten mine up so the sliding plate does not move in and out and get the wire stuck in either the up or down position. As for the bad ideling, I would check for Vaccum leaks around the Intake, the rubber connections that hold the carb to the Intake and the same on the other side by your filter. Then check your hoses, gas filter etc.., but it sounds more like a lean condition which would occur with leaks. Alleyoop Picture of the Float in the Full Position: Picture of the Float in the Empty Position: Top view picture showing the Brass Wheel Collar with a little washer holding the Wire and Swivel Plate tight against the Plastic Holder so that it does not move out and get the wire stuck. Now on the TOP VIEW Picture you see the the little tab holding the Wire from going up higher. Well if its loose which I think it is the wire will move out to the right and go over that tab and will get HUNG up coming down and stop there. So it will register FULL all the time. So stick the wire in and go to the left of the tank and push the wire to the right to get it off that tab and it should start to register. But Like I said you will have to fix it because its loose and it will get stuck again it may get stuck in the Empty position as well. l
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Post by als01seville on Feb 15, 2010 1:39:12 GMT -5
Aileronjack, I just checked your trikes Gas Tank Capacity and its 2 1/4 gallons. So betting on the safe side on a full tank of gas you can go 130miles, you may get a little more but to be safe. So set your Odmeter to zero and when it gets to 200 because it registers in Kilameters I would start looking for a gas station:) Alleyoop
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Post by aileronjack on Feb 15, 2010 13:23:08 GMT -5
Excellent Photos!!!!! I get the picture!!! lol.... The written explantion and the photos help explain it very clearly. When I get into it (at 65+ degrees) I will check that what you have suggested is the problem or not. Thanks for your effort with the pics and your detailed written. Your and Dwilds contribution to the site is overllooked way too often.
J
Ps Trowed ya a bone for yer help
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Post by als01seville on Feb 16, 2010 1:09:23 GMT -5
Aileronjack, Thanks for the bone, I was hungry so I heated up a Tamale, I will save the bone for later:) Alleyoop
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Post by kliff on Feb 16, 2010 18:43:42 GMT -5
Alleyoop... forgot a portion of my response to you. I am at 65mph with 8200 rpm. Mike Excuse me for butting in here, but after reading the above, and then seeing this in your 10 steps to speed.... " This engine is capable of 12,000 rpmI felt complelled to let you in on a little tidbit.... 8K rpm, and above on these engines is a real point of concern. It weakens valve springs very rapidly, to a point where they break. Soemetimes with catastrophic damage. Head & piston, natch...cylinder, crank, and sometimes block too. There is a reason the non-limitted CDI's say "for off-road use only," or "RACING." While they can maximize performance, it comes at a cost. I's relatively easy to maximize performance, via intake and exhaust mods, combined with variator tuning, to produce an effective torque curve on these engines that almost flatlines in torque from 6500-7200 rpm. No offense, but I think you'd be better advised to follow their lead at lower revs, than try for a break-a-way beyond 7500rpm.
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Post by als01seville on Feb 16, 2010 19:58:53 GMT -5
Yep, your so right on the 10,000-12,000 rpms on the these engines. Even the specs say max hp is produced at 7500 rpms. That is also why changeing the Variators and weights to only allow the engine to only reach certain RPMS and still get good mid range and top end speed. That is also why the red line on them starts at 8000 rpms, RED MEANS DANGER.
As for changeing CDIs, its not to have a none restricted rpm unit its to get one that has a little better advance programmed in and allow more juice to the spark plug for a better combustion. Doing that it also would be wise to get a high performance coil to allow for the hotter spark. Alleyoop
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Post by kliff on Feb 20, 2010 10:58:19 GMT -5
TTT
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Post by als01seville on Feb 20, 2010 16:45:11 GMT -5
Aileronjack, Hows the weather down there? Is it warming up enough for you to ride into town. I know you told me your a Palm Tree, laying out on the beach type of guy with some margaritas of course:) Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Feb 20, 2010 17:38:07 GMT -5
Alley Heck he's got the air conditioner smokin buy now!!
David Sr.
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Post by JR on Feb 20, 2010 17:47:33 GMT -5
Air conditioner!! Now it's getting pretty down ther in old Cajun country but not that pretty....yet!! LOL Hey down here in old Arkieland we got to ride today!! Also letting the new rider in the family ride in the high school parking lot!! Took some of the orange marker cones and fixed him a little course!! He's coming along!
Also good news guys he passed the first part of the Arkansas written driver test!! Next Wednesday he takes the motorcycle part!! He's a studying his tail off! LOL JRR
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Post by aileronjack on Feb 20, 2010 20:13:33 GMT -5
Hey Guys: It was absolutely gorgeous today and yesterday. 69 today and 62 yesterday. I will have to admit that while my wife went on an errand, I jumped on the bear and made a couple of hot streaks up and down the road out in front of the house. I have been sick as a horse, and Im still feeling quite puny. It's got to be the cough syrup with the codine. My chest hurts when I cough and there is a deep rattle down in there. A little scary. (Had she known that I was on the bike, she would have lit me up like an gasoline-soaked matchstick) I was shocked at how responsive the bike was though. I hit 50 today at somewhere near 7900 rpms. I have never had her that wound up. I thought I saw 8000, and it spooked me so bad that I got out of the throttle immediately. But wow! I was amazed at how well she got off the start and took off! Thats the first time I have been on it since early January. I thought back about why the good responsive speed today compared to January. I guess it's the humidity. When I got off today I happened to notice the barometer on the carport was around 30%. Back then, it was more around 60-70%. I'll see if I can fax you guys a day like today; or maybe send it in a PDF file.
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Post by WildMan on Feb 20, 2010 20:53:13 GMT -5
Jack If you can pull that off, you'll be a Northern Man's hero!!
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Feb 20, 2010 21:25:37 GMT -5
Jack, That is great that you got to crank on it a little, I bet you came back with a smile from ear to ear. I vote for jack sending us some of the Cajun weather and pronto!!
Watch that cold, it could be phenomena that stuff has been going around. Get well soon so you can ride like the wind. Alleyoop
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Post by aileronjack on Mar 1, 2010 15:55:11 GMT -5
Thanks guys: I am feeling better. Took a ride late yesterday and had a blast. It looks like I am getting 50 or really close to it. Back when I checked it with the GPS, I noticed about a 2mph difference b/w the GPS and the Speedo. So that at 32 on the GPS, the speedo was reading about 30. I remember something kinda strange though. It appeared that at higher speeds, say 45, that the difference b/w the two was even greater. I didn't look further into it, largely because I was still in the early breakin period and didn't want to overtax the engine. I think if I can borrow my brothers GPS, I am gonna pay closer attention now at the 45-50 MPH compared with the GPS. I still have not put in the Prodigy variator and the 11gm rollers. With these installed. What would you guys say I would see at 6500rpms and at 7500 rpms?
J
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Post by als01seville on Mar 1, 2010 18:44:20 GMT -5
Aileronjack, Sounds like you 10g rollers in there now. So will 11G rollers it should drop your rpms by around 500-600 rpms so you should be right in the engines powerbad which is 7500rpms where it produces the max hp. So with the 11G rollers wot it should run right around 7500rpms which is good. Now with the Prodigy it should give you around 3-5mph more at 7500rpms. At 6500 it should be right around 45mph. Alleyoop Alleyoop
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Post by aileronjack on Mar 1, 2010 20:14:43 GMT -5
Cool, and thanx Alley: As soon as it gets a little warmer around here, I am gonna swap out the the rollers and the variator.
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Post by als01seville on Mar 1, 2010 21:41:56 GMT -5
Aileronjack, A LITTLE WARMER!!! WHAT!!!! in the 60s is NOT WARM ENOUGH? Man you guys are spoiled:) Heck if it was in the 50s here we would be riding every day. Alleyoop
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Post by aileronjack on Mar 2, 2010 16:54:21 GMT -5
Lol. Sorry, but yeah, it's too cold here for me. I could never live north of I-20 I am a tropical person. (other interpretations.... a wuss) It's my bithday today and its 50 right now. I am freezing. We are going out for dinner and I'l be wearing all the necessary gear. Two Tshirts, longsleeve, extra jacket.... Anyway, thanx for the response. I was thinking that what you have suggested was in parallel with the posts in your thread. I appreciate it.
As soon as I get the fax fixed I'll fax you guys some of the nicer temps we have here.
J
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Post by WildMan on Mar 2, 2010 20:49:33 GMT -5
A Jack, did you say you're 50?? ;D David Sr.
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