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Post by aileronjack on Nov 25, 2009 10:29:48 GMT -5
Hey Trike 20 Welcome to the forum. I changed my oil to give myself the assurety of knowing for certain what was in the bike. I put almost a full quart (10w 40 Valvoline conventional oil) back in. About an inch and a half was left in the quart when I finished pouring. You'll have to go slow. It takes a little while. Indy50 has put me on to a good PDI page found in this forum. yourscooterspace.net/pdi/pdi.htmlThere are a number of youtube videos on changing every thing from the gear oil to the roller weights and the variator. Check them out as well. N joy your new ride. J
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Post by trike20 on Nov 25, 2009 23:56:41 GMT -5
Another question that may apply only to California scooters. My carb on the Ice Bear XX-8 has no mixture adjust. The port is pluged. This is a CARB certified 150cc motor for California so they do not want you the screw with the mixture. I also found that the motor will only idle until the motor warms up. It dies if you give it any gas the first 5 minuits when cold. After that all is well... no in between. It may be the auto choke... Does it choke all the time when cold? and then open when the choke control heats up? This is San Diego... do I even need the stinkin choke? I now have 1/2 mile on the new trike.... Time to change the factory oil.
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Post by als01seville on Nov 26, 2009 0:16:54 GMT -5
Hi Trike20, Check the electric choke to see if its plugged in. If its plugged in you can test to see if its working. The choke is really an enricher, when cold it lets gas in throught the idle hole and as it warms up the needle moves up and closes the hole. Its the opposite of what you would think:) But anyway to check it take the electric choke out. Loosen both screws holding the metal plate down and then slide the metal plate out from one end and pull the choke out. Then cover the hole with you thumb or something and start it, if it idles the choke is bad or not plugged in. The needle on the choke should be in as it warms up the needle rasiesout to cover the idle hole. Alleyoop
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Post by aileronjack on Nov 26, 2009 5:20:25 GMT -5
Well folks. The dealsership is gonna warranty our speedometer!!! A great relief; I must say. I was really hoping that I wasn't gonna have to go where no one really wants to go when dealing with warranty issues. Now, to get the thing out of the dash. Als01seville had a really great idea to label each of the connections with a label maker in order to ensure they go back where they came out. I suppose that would be important. lol Gonna wait til after the fat belly and the nap first though.
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Post by aileronjack on Nov 27, 2009 22:22:56 GMT -5
I finally got the plastics off the bike for a few other pdi task and have a couple of shots with questions for anyone that can lend their experitse. In this one I am wondring if a filter is needed for the opening here and if so, what kind, where do I get it, etc. In this one the hose at the bse of the carbeurtor is not attached to anything on the other end. What the ^%$% is it for? Another shot of the hose from a little farther back. Another hose to nowhere...is this a vent for the tansmission case? Pardon my ignorance. Teach me oh great and mighty holder of GY6 knowledge.
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Post by als01seville on Nov 27, 2009 22:43:28 GMT -5
Hi Aileronjack, All is ok:) On the filter thats just another inlet for air to get in. The hose your looking at is the Drain for the Carb, it doesn't connect to anything. You will have Two more hoses not connected to anything, one from the Valve cover and one from the rear crank case. They are normally tied together with the open ends up so that if any oil splashes out it will be contained in the hose and not drip all of the place. Alleyoop
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Post by aileronjack on Nov 27, 2009 23:35:33 GMT -5
Thanks Als01seville. That settles my mind a little.... a lot. I got the speedometer out today, wrapped it with bubble wrap, stuck it in a box, and printed mailing lables to send it off to Cali. USA. I will send it UPS so I can track it. The wife is a little chapped that she can't ride to the mailbox now. I suppose if I were to tell her she could anyway, it would make her happy. I wonder how many miles up and down the driveway she could make before the speedo is replaced and returned, and I get it put back in?
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Post by als01seville on Nov 28, 2009 2:07:17 GMT -5
Hi Aileronjack, What the heck, let her ride it back and forth this way it will start to get broken in easy:) Well if they have another Speedo, they should send it out right away. So I figure 3 days to get there, a couple days for them to check out the speedo(if they bother to do). And if they have one in stock they will send it out in a couple of days so I figure about two weeks before you get a replacement. They are slow at sending out stuff, I think they only have 2 guys handling parts. The Filter I am going to replace it with one of these: Alleyoop www.buggypartsnw.com/home?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=164&category_id=6
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Post by wolfhound on Nov 28, 2009 6:48:35 GMT -5
Jack, definately replace the air filter!!! It is a piece of junk, virtually no filter at all and they tend to break off. MountainMoped replaced mine with an MRP unit but it took a little 'fitting' to do it. An Ice Bear negative is the 30 day warrenty on parts. So if you have a problem have it in the first 30 days. Ice Bear has an inventory warehouse here in Acworth, GA but I dont know if they carry parts. Allyoop, that looks like a good filter!! I intend to give a report on our servcicing the 150-8 tomorrow. Hopefully all will be finished by then. This report will include an expose on the idiot that bought the trike. ME!!! and an error that I made. It should be a good read and a good laugh. Wolfhound
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Post by als01seville on Nov 28, 2009 20:42:01 GMT -5
Hi Wolfhound, I order from GA, the guys name is QUAN and he does speak english, the Techy guy in CA does not speak english. He is very helpful but they do not have parts there. He also is not techy at all and always requests pictures of the parts that you want and sends those to CA as well. When the guy at CA response back he translate it back to english and forwards it to you. I go to their site and get the part number off their parts picture list and it all works out. You can never talk to the guy in CA because he does not speak english and its hard to explain to the gal that answers the phone what your problems are so I deal with Quan in GA. They have been very good to me and are very nice and try to help you out even if its over the warranty period, they may not charge you for the part but they will charge you for shipping. Alleyoop
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Post by wolfhound on Nov 28, 2009 21:35:28 GMT -5
Hi, Alleyoop: The Ga. warehouse is in Acworth, GA. about 35 miles from me. Picked up my 150-8 at the warehouse with Bryan and met Quan. A very nice man. Good to know that they are stocking parts now because we can just run over and pick them up. Bryan deals with a guy named Carlos(I think that is the name) and he speaks English. I think he is in sales. So far the only defective part that I have had is the air filter and I would not want them to replace that POJ!! Tomorrow when I have had a good nights sleep I will report on todays progress,
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Post by als01seville on Nov 28, 2009 23:28:33 GMT -5
Hi Wolfhound, That is great that they are close to you and that you met Quan. I know that they do have parts in CA and thats where the parts I have received came from. That air filter is really a joke, the case is nice but the filter itself is laughable:) I am sure they were going to put in a full foam filter in there but I am sure they found out that the engine needed more air so they finally got it to run nice with a SLICE of foam:) But since they probably had hundreds if Air Filter Boxes made they had to figure a way to make them work and use them up so PRESTO MAGICO ONE LITTLE SLICE OF FOAM:) Alleyoop
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Post by wolfhound on Nov 29, 2009 10:52:40 GMT -5
Here is my report as promised. May be a little long. Started running for a couple of miles and stalling out. Wait ten minutes and it would start and perform the same action. It had 266 miles on it. Got it to Bryan at MountainMoped, my dealer, and we started using the process of elimination to determine the problem. Adjusted the valves, took off the motor cover in 10 minutes and checked the carb(Bryan says not a stock GY6 carb) it was clean, checked the fuel pump, it was working,replaced the plug with a Honda plug, replaced the POJ air filter with an MRP filter, took a little adapting but it works, replaced the CDI with an MRP CDI, set the idle up a bit, always with the same result. Having done one last test run, I coasted in to the shop and Bryan decided to check the oil to see if it was low even tho I had changed oil before making my trip to his place. KABLUUIII!! Did you know that an overfilled GY6 crankase can shoot oil 10 feet and soak your mechanic when the dip stick was removed. Believe me, it can for I have seen it done!! The other dip stick involved was me. I had inadvertantly overfilled the crankcase and the excess pressure was shutting to motor down til the pressure reduced. Memo to self: when changing oil insert dipstick to first thread in crancakse and it should read half way up the stick. The Beast of Burden runs great now. At 300 miles it is crusing at 45-50 and topping out at 55. From my experience with my Tank 150 Touring it will continue to get better as the miles go by. The Tank at 700 miles cruises at 50-55 and tops out at 60. The trike attachment and tranny is basically a go cart rear end, tough and parts should be easily found. The only things we will do now is to use risers on the handlebars(set way too low) and mirrors and perhaps try 13" tires on the rear which would give it more speed. Oh, also replaced the fuel and pressure lines. Chinese lines are alsdo pieced together thin POJs.Electric fuel pump is also on the list. Further comments: Ice Bear does not make the scoots and trikes, Ice Bear is simply a marketing agent of Pacific Rim Inc. In the case of my PST150-8 the manufacturer was Huzhou Daixi Zhenhua Tech. Trading Co. Say that with a mouthfull of grits!!!!! The trike has a great frame, and as a Ruckus clone everything is readily reached. Tires should be street tires for a smoother ride, front shocks are a bit weak, top trunk is cheaply made but holds more than any of my other scoot trucks and the lock is easily managed. I keep a gallon gas container in it and still have room for small packages for the PO run. Air filter and hoses are substandard, muffler leaks slightly around the sections where it fits together but sounds like a sports muffler. Others here have addressed the leakage problem. Good foot pegs and the digital speedometer reads in mph or kmh with the touch of a button. Mine is accurate based on GDP readings, gas tank register is a joke, carry an extra gallon just in case, ride is a bit rough but is smoothing out as the miles go on, set up is for two riders but only if they are anorexic. Remember these are Chinese scoots. do not buy thinking you are getting a Honda. They require a bit more upkeep and a knowedge of mechanics. I am mechanically challanged but my dealer is teaching me the basics. I checked the rear axle nuts, no cover on mine, too fancy, they have the cotter keys but one has a a quarter inch play in it and I will need to tighten it up. And if you buy online research the selling company closely. some are great, some are not and once you accept delivery it is basically your problem. Be sure you know what is ahead of you. However, 20 squillion people in the rest of the world keep these units running forever. Chinese quality is improving and you can get years of servive from your trike/scooter with proper care. Comments to and about Ice Bear; Put your trade name on the product!! Are you ashamed of it? Give a better parts guarentee that the present 30 day warrenty. Pay a bit more attention to your manufacturing agents. The faulty air cleaner situation should never have happened, it is shoddy at best. For the American market use on road tires rather than the rough riding on/off tires. Demand better quality from your agents or you will hurt your sales ultimately. Give your dealers better support and quit competing against them with online sales of your own You have opened the door for the trike market and with a little effort can be the leader in this market. To your credit you have an exellent manager at your Acworth warehouse. To the readers: Would I buy another Ice Bear product. answer, a qualified yes. I now own 3 Chinese products and have learned a lot. I am already interested in the 2010 offering of a 300cc unit but only if offered in the PST150-8. My philosophy is KISS. Sorry this is so long. I will be briefer in the future.
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Post by wolfhound on Nov 29, 2009 13:14:02 GMT -5
Hi, Alleyoop: It is a bit disconcerting to realize that the paper thin slice of filter material was held in place by tying it in with a garbage bag tie, for Petes sake!!!! 8^) Talk about cheap!!! And for the filter boxes, they are made from what appears to be a very cheap easily broken plastic. They may save money by using them but Ice Bear will lose future sales. I can understand the CA techi who speaks no english not taking calls. I am totally deaf without my implant working and i let my daughter in law take the calls in the office here. I call those back that I can using my captel phone and Tcoil in the implant.I avoid a lot of trouble that way. 8^) I do think that Ice Bear will be sucessful if they just make some basic business changes. I hope so anyhow,
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Post by als01seville on Nov 29, 2009 13:32:05 GMT -5
Hi Wolfhound, I am giving you a bone for finding out about overfilling the oil and causing problems of the engine actually not running right. GOOD CATCH!! And yes your right on the problems we have found on the Trikes, but they are making changes all the time to fix things that customers are complaining about. So hopefully they later models will have some of the improvements. Alleyoop
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Post by wolfhound on Nov 29, 2009 14:28:11 GMT -5
Why, thank you Alleyoop. Any thing that I can learn I am more than willing to share. That sucker spewed oil like a volcano. Again, a word of warning to all, dont overfill the crankcase on a GY6 or you will be in a world of hurt. She just started up and I am going to take her out for a short run. I may get my office manager/right hand daughter in law to call the Acworth office and see if we can get Some Ice Bear decals. Bryan did not get any either. Hopefully we can. Again, thanks for the bone, Alleyoop. I owe you .
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Post by aileronjack on Nov 29, 2009 21:11:42 GMT -5
Wolfhound: The crankcase issue was a mystery. Thanks for sharing that experience. I am sure someone else will learn from your mistake. Me, hopefully. BTW how much and what kind of crank case oil did you finally put in? I agree wth your premise that Ice Bear is behind in regards to the real need of their customers. These less than standard parts are causing alot of needless pain; as well as the loss of lots of hard earned money. I also agree though that they could very well lead the trike scooter industry if they will just iron out these wrinkles. The payoff for us (as you pointed to your own situation) is the learning curve that we have as an advantage that future owners of the Ice Bear Trike might not. The hours of troubleshooting teaches us the hard lessons future Ice Bear owners may find to be helpful. Guys like Als01seville, Dwild62, Wolfhound, Jrryan are able to impart valuable information to those of us wondering "what the ^%$# is wrong with my bike?" We appreciate you guys and the in-the-trenches-experiences that you have. It helps us all. Thanx for your post.
Jack
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Post by wolfhound on Nov 30, 2009 3:47:43 GMT -5
Thank you, Jack!! Oddly the most trouble free scoot that I have is my 06 Tank Touring 150. My wife bought it at an auction with just 5 miles on it. Never serviced beyond oil and tranny oil changes. If not on a battery maintainer the battery will go dead but that is about all. It was my first scoot. Cant tell you how much oil as I have not recorded it but just go by the dipstick method mentioned. I am fortunate to have my dealer, MountainMoped and Bryan Smith close by. I assist, he does the work. No mechanic am I!!! Without Bryans help I would be in deep doo doo!!! And the 150-8 is very easy to work on compared to the full bodied models that take so long to remove body panels from. He is the real hero here, I simply pass on what he has taught me.
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Post by aileronjack on Nov 30, 2009 13:15:01 GMT -5
Als01seville. Thanx for the information on the unifilter. Will I have to do anything beyond a simple remove the old put in the new? And, reading up somewhere I remember that it is recommended to never drive the bike for long distances without stopping. I live in the country of sorts where I can drive for 3-5 miles without a stop light. Given the recommendation, what effect does these 3-5 mile distances have on the bike?
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Post by als01seville on Nov 30, 2009 17:36:46 GMT -5
Aileronjack, With the uni filter on and or velocity stack you have to change the main jet in the carb. Reason is now you are feeding a lot more air and it will need more fuel. If you don't it will run very lean which is not good and may not run good at high rpms. Heck you can drive it for long distances but not at a contistent speed until it broken in a little. So put on about 200 U.S miles on it changing your speed as you ride. I have driven mine 25miles one way with long stretchs at wot to keep up with the traffic but after I had about 200 U.S miles on it. And I would change the oil at the 1st 100miles. It will come out Black from the parts wearing in then about every 200miles until you have about 1000miles on it then you can put in Full Syn its very slippery and slippery is good. Its a lot more expense about $8.00 a quart but its good stuff and thats all that keeps the engine cooler. I have 800 U.S miles on mine and I now put in Castrol Full Syn 10-40 I now will change it about every 300miles. My .02 Alleyoop
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Post by aileronjack on Nov 30, 2009 19:33:20 GMT -5
Hmmm.....How difficult is changing the main jet? !!!!!!!!!!!! I understand the need to change the fuel/air raitio. I can operate a drill press (have one). I also sing in the shower. But am I a candidate for American Idol? My wife might lend a bit of information to that discussion....... So, after the 2- 300 mile break-in period, a 45-50 mph speed for 5 miles will not adversley affect the engine/transmission; or cause other unforseen problems?..... Cool
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Post by wolfhound on Nov 30, 2009 19:41:19 GMT -5
Hey, Alleyoop, I think I just gave you a bone for the good info on the break in period and how to handle it. I agree completely and have broken in a 50cc, a 150cc, and a 250 cc using the same approach. Hope the bone showed up, I am new to this and am not sure if I did it rigfht. I change the diferential oil at 500 miles too.
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Post by JR on Nov 30, 2009 20:26:52 GMT -5
Ha singing in the shower now if they had an American Idiot I'd sign up for that one!!! LOL
BTW Jack congrats to those old LSU Tigers!! Oh if we just had a field goal kicker!!! Oh well got to come to Fayetteville next year and all those HOGS you saw this year will be back for next!
Go SEC!!! JRR
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Post by kenb6656 on Nov 30, 2009 22:24:01 GMT -5
Hey, has anybody recieved their pink slip, or registration on their Ice Bear yet? Mine showed up saying that the make is a DAI, I was just wondering if all are that way. Mine is a PST 150-11
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Post by WildMan on Nov 30, 2009 22:32:23 GMT -5
kenb6656 YUP, GOD TO GO!! I'v got an ICE BEAR PST150-11 to.. David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Nov 30, 2009 23:53:24 GMT -5
Yes, My Title says model is a DAIX TRIKE CCM 150. Alleyoop
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Post by aileronjack on Dec 1, 2009 6:23:51 GMT -5
My bike arrived on 11/16. My salesman sent an e-mail that said he ordered it on the 19th. It's December 1st and I still have not seen the MFO, pink slip, or anything else. How long typically does it take for these to come in? Do these come from china to the American dealers and then to the customers? If thats the case, that would explain the long time in arrival. Oh, and whats the deal about the bones? Als01seville has been extrememly helpful. I would think I need to give him and a few others thier due.
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Post by aileronjack on Dec 1, 2009 8:28:45 GMT -5
Guys, Here's a link about the dealer expo. Looks like it'll be in February in Indianapolis. If any of you guys are close, you might pop in, snap a few pics, jot down the specs, and post it all for the rest of us to droll over. J www.dealerexpo.com/
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Post by "Big Guy" on Dec 1, 2009 10:17:12 GMT -5
Hi Jack, That is a sharp color, nice going. The oil drain plug is to the right of the oil fill spout under and by the edge of the engine case. You can't miss it, is has a 7/16 nut on the hole drain plug is about 1 1/4 inches in diameter... Actually no... that is not the oil drain plug, that is the screen plug. I have answered this myth on this forum several times now, but all the misinformed videos get more press and have become the norm. The oil drain plug is on the opposite side of the scooter, driver's side, bottom. There is even a small channel lowering it on most engines to get all the oil out. Once you have drained all of the oil out, you then go over to the screen access and open it up, this way you don't get covered in hot oil trying to keep the screen and spring from dropping into the hot oil pan. I guess I'll have to do a video on it... -Rich
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Post by aileronjack on Dec 1, 2009 12:25:23 GMT -5
Big Guy: I saw that plug on the opposite side a few days ago while I was reattaching the plastic on my bike. When I changed the oil, I got it all over my hand; and, as you mentioned, I dropped the filter into the pan. I had to fish it out with a screw driver and hold it a minute to let the oil drain off of it before I could proceed further. I'll use the other hole the next time. hmmm,... seems I remember sometime ago I might have said that to my wife and she clobbered me.
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