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Post by bobpt on Sept 10, 2007 18:16:16 GMT -5
My wheels vibrate a bit at about 55 mph. I put in some balance beads and this didn't help. I spoke with the dealer about this and his answer was that sometimes specific to a motorcycle/scooter front shocks and weight, tire, yada, yada, it may set up a harmonic vibration. He thought 55 mph was plenty fast for the Pegasus and if it vibrates at that speed, I probably hit the limit. He didn't think it should be driven that fast and therefore, I could avoid the vibration...Okaaay!!! Is this the same BS story he would give to his MC customers with this kind of complaint? I don't think so.
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Post by savage223 on Sept 10, 2007 20:50:18 GMT -5
While it is true that harmonics can happen- based on fork rake, axle drop below / above / or at centerline of forks, wheel base, weight, and loading- I've shifted quite a bit on the bike trying to avoid it and can't get it to happen.
I've sat in the rear of the seat on the passenger position. Skootched up close to the handlebars, rode high, tucked down low... no difference. The fact is that these bikes are about 1/2 the weight of a full cycle, so they're going to be far more prone to any non-balance-related vibration. That being said, I really DO suspect the tire / rim balance. As everyone hinted, 50-55 is where it starts to get noticeable, and that is fairly rare on most non-highway commutes.
The usability doesn't decrease much- the safety isn't TOO compromised (at least in my bikes' condition,) but I CERTAINLY will have the shop balance them when it's time for new skins. They are decent tires, I think- as far as compound and sidewall- but because everything else has questionable Chinese quality control- I wouldn't doubt at all balance is a key issue.
Note that the CVT gets a little vibrationy (hee) but it is more of a vibration than a shake, like what others and I are describing. I'd bet all CVT vibrate some.
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Post by Admin on Sept 10, 2007 23:35:21 GMT -5
I'm never comfy on a scoot going over 55. Although, i'm more comfy on the Peg than most at higher speeds.
On the issue of the red line at 50 mph, I'm going to step out on a limb here. Red lines are designed for tachs and not speedos. The red line on a speedo doesn't mean anything accept that you are going fast. Since the Peg (unfortunately) doesn't have a tach, I'm guessing that some idiot somewhere was paid to paint a red line somewhere.
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Post by savage223 on Sept 10, 2007 23:52:14 GMT -5
Knowing those factories, someone was there to draw ALL the lines... and paint the numbers on!
(I'm kidding.)
I'd hate to be the guy who has to drill all those holes in speaker grilles. Sheese.
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Post by gary2gs on Sept 14, 2007 22:20:40 GMT -5
Dawg, ACD and others. 8 pages of postings is alot of reading! I see alot about over heating. Well, I put my money down with CBXMAN and got the last burgandy Pegasus in his stock. If I do have a problem, I'll use the warranty. That's why I bought from a good dealer. In the newer models , I think the heat problem is a non-issue. I will receive it Tuesday. I'll keep you posted.
Gary
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Post by Aaron on Sept 14, 2007 22:51:40 GMT -5
Gary Dennis will treat you right. You picked my favorite color too. Good luck with your new scoot!
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Post by savage223 on Sept 16, 2007 17:44:49 GMT -5
Gary- You might have read I'm one of those people with overheating problems. I'm not in a panic, haven't been- just something simple, overlooked, or happened at random.
But I had to add my 2c and scream it loud, too: CBX (and I'm repeating myself from another thread where I posted this) is going way above and beyond what he has to, to make my situation "right." Sure- he IS the NE Distributor and has something invested in it, but I've dealt with people who have had a LOT more to lose in the last 20 years and did half what he's done with one simple phone call.
I spoke to Dennis himself because my primary dealer spoke with him about warranty work. I felt like I was speaking to G_d himself after everything I've heard.
He hasn't worked on the bike yet, but I've got every confidence in his ability, knowledge, and professionalism. He's arranged a VERY generous alternative to one of my trips up there. I wish I could say more, but until I've got his permission to I'll wait. (He knows my situation first hand from my primary dealer, and circumstances are probably such that he might not want to advertise what he's doing for fear everyone would expect it.)
Unless I lose my ability to ride altogether, God forbid, CBX will be the first place I look when I upgrade next year.
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Post by gary2gs on Sept 16, 2007 18:58:47 GMT -5
I've spoke to Dennis myself; seems to be a gentleman and sincere about standing behind what he sells. I'll write about the new scoot on Tuesday. There is a link on this site called "break in secrets" , the long and short of it is -- replace the factory oil with a good high quailty oil (not synth.) I planned to do that anyway, then RUN IT HARD. After reading the link, I'd appricate any feedback.
Gary
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Post by Admin on Sept 16, 2007 21:14:18 GMT -5
I highly recommend switching to synth oil AFTER break-in. I have used the hard break-in method with every scooter I've owned and never had a problem. Oh, I agree whe ACD, the burgandy is awesome. The overheating issue on some can't be denied but keep in mind that people with troubles tend to want to find a place to vent. People with no troubles seldom report. QLINK told me a long time ago that they had the problem with maybe a dozen machines.
Savage, I'm glad you got through to Dennis. He can be difficult to reach sometimes because he travels a lot and carries a heavy load. In addition to being the NE Distributor for Q, he has his shop and is a factory rep for other products. He is one of the most capable people in the business and I think you will find satisfaction. He is also a lot of fun to eat steak and drink with.
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Post by gary2gs on Sept 18, 2007 20:08:50 GMT -5
Received my new Pegasus from CBXMAN today. So far , this appears to be a good, well made machine. I spoke to Dennis before the scoot came. He told me for the first 20 Km. the motor will run rough. He's right. It is hard to keep running, seems to have a "dead spot" when accelerating from a stop, and a stutter or miss when under load. Still, I'm not worried. I've only gone about 5 Km.on it and it already seems slightly better. If it continues I'll check or replace the spark plug, check all vacuum lines and fill it up with 92 octane gas. All the simple stuff first. I know one day is not enough for a review, but all and all, I'm very pleased both with the scooter and with CBXMAN.
Gary
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Post by Admin on Sept 18, 2007 21:02:08 GMT -5
Not to worry. Most all scoots need some break-in before they smooth out. You will probably find that you will need to adjust your idle a little after you get some miles on it. Once it is broken in, you will find this to be one of the smoothest running 150cc cylinder engines around. I'm curious where your dead spot is. The Peg is just a little hesitant off the line but once you hit 5-10 mph, she's like a rocket. Where are the pictures? Pics are a requirement.
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Post by gary2gs on Sept 18, 2007 21:24:33 GMT -5
I'm not sure of the exact speed of the" dead spot". It's very low, accelarating from a dead stop. Just feels like it "boogs down" then BAMM, it goes. Pics? - I'm still old school. 35mm. Nikon. I'll work on a digital cam., but I got to pay for the scooter first
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Post by Javarod on Sept 19, 2007 7:24:59 GMT -5
Heh, you're not the only one using 35mm, just have them developed to the web or to a CD, that's what I do.
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Post by savage223 on Sept 19, 2007 12:46:29 GMT -5
Gary- Mine has the same flat spot. It wasn't that way from brand new- but developed as soon as 250 Km into my "break in" period. (There is now 950+ Km on the bike and it still has it.)
It is currently with CBX, and this is one of the things I asked him to look at/fix. If I can, I'll find out what he did to fix it and maybe it's simple enough to save you a trip.
My throttle cable really loosened up over this period of time- about 3/8" of complete nothingness. Cables stretch, so no big deal. I adjusted most of the slack out at the handlebar.
Dawg- you're right in that it is completely from stand still. (At least on mine.) Once you take off you'd better hold on and negotiate your first turn well!
It's more nervewracking than anything else, because you fear that the thing will stall in traffic. Driving over 700 Km with mine that way, I'm confident it's just something simple that happened as a result of break-in and needs only minor adjustment. If that wouldn't fix the problem, that hesitation isn't killer.
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Post by savage223 on Sept 19, 2007 12:48:06 GMT -5
Java / Gary-
I've used 35mm up until three years ago where I went Canon then Nikon. I still miss all the great glass I have for film cameras, and the medium and large format stuff I have.
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Post by gary2gs on Sept 19, 2007 17:02:41 GMT -5
savage- keep us updated on what CBX finds on both the temp. problem and the dead spot on take off.
Tried a couple of things today. Been on the phone with Bob at CBX's service dept. about 3 or 4 times. About 50 Km. on the scoot now so the 20Km. break-in is a non-issue. Trying a fresh tank of gas. I will check in later.
Gary
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Post by gary2gs on Sept 19, 2007 20:23:32 GMT -5
Still Hoping! Today besides stalling,missing,and the dead spot; at times I could not get over 30 mph on straight a way and was lucky to get to 20mph going up an average hill. And that was a real struggle. The engine just bucked and missed the whole time. Then for a little while, it was sort of OK. 1) Checked spark plug and wire-both OK. 2) Checked air filter-OK 3)vacuum lines-OK. 4)Ran with gas cap lose-no change. 5) Checked for gas thru fuel filter-good flow. 6) Drained all gas from tank. Refueled, rode about 5 miles to purge carburetor bowl- somewhat better: if at all. 7) Pulled seat tub to check electrical connections and recheck vacuum lines-all looked good. All fluid levels are good. Carb. and manifold bolts seem tight, don't hear and vacuum leaks. Will talk with Bob(CBX) again tomorrow.
If this was an older car; I would say a bad coil,distributor cap,burnt points and/or the timing was off.
I know it's not the problem but is there a mixture screw on this carb? I sure can't find one.
Humbly looking for suggestions Thanks, Gary
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Post by savage223 on Sept 19, 2007 23:49:23 GMT -5
Gary, you might want to start a separate thread for that problem until you find out what it is. That way people can reference that thread if they have the same thing going on. Like, in the 125cc + forum area. Just a suggestion. Not everyone looks in this thread for that kind of info.
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Post by Admin on Sept 20, 2007 20:20:29 GMT -5
I agree that I don't want to turn this thread into a troubleshooting thing. It's already got a little too much of that. I will say that I talked to Dennis at CBX today. I don't know how many Pegs he has sold but I know it's quite a few and this is the first one he's going to work on that has had a heating problem (which should tell you guys something). Also, expect some news of further cooperation between CBXMAN and Dawg.
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Post by gary2gs on Sept 20, 2007 21:56:29 GMT -5
Agreed. I will start a new thread titled "New Pegasus-performance problem" in the 125cc scooters and up section.
Thanks, Gary
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Post by savage223 on Sept 21, 2007 7:28:34 GMT -5
Wow, Dawg! That sounds GREAT!
This internet thing- here is a fine example of how it works for "the better!"
Scooters and the idea of getting a scooter are increasing all the time. Since I started looking, I also realized how often they're on the TV. From prominent shots in shows like CSI Miami (o.k. I don't know if it was that show or another one, but pretty much prime time) to kids TV shows (like the one where Brittany Spears' sister is a main character)- they're showing up everywhere. Commercials, even.
There are quite a bit of rough edges to wear off as far as a mass movement in scooters in the states. Maybe it is- in the rest of the world- pretty much the same as far as technical issues go, but that there is a shop every 20 miles or so to support them.
A cooperation between dealers and internet forums like this one will help establish these vehicles as a steadfast movement that will continue to grow, and one day it will be as painless (if it ever IS,) as buying a new cycle or car. Buy it, maintain it, and occasionally get it fixed.
For now, I like being (arguably) a pioneer as they grow into something more. The Pegasus- I really can't imagine a bike I'd like more, save a full-out motorcycle that gets substantially less MPG. Problems or no problems. (Again- my issue was just taking the leap- dig in and do it myself, or let someone else work on it so the warranty was maintained.)
I CAN'T WAIT to hear back from Dennis about mine! The thing is too fun (and I need the transportation) to go without for long!
I've got a series of different (non-warranty safety, comfort) upgrades planned for mine. (I already removed the "Pegasus" decals- please don't shoot me, but I live only 20 minutes from the Harley Davidson plant...)
I'll take shots and add them in another forum with detailed instructions and plans.
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Post by Admin on Sept 23, 2007 22:02:17 GMT -5
Well, crowd, you may think me crazy but I've just got to say that my Peg is the greatest. I've ridden a lot of scoots and have more than a few in the stable I still reach for the keys of the Peg when I walk out the door. That's just my personal experience. Never had problem one with her. I'm not paid to say this. I kind of miss the days when we were 50 members and folks knew me.
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Post by savage223 on Sept 24, 2007 13:42:47 GMT -5
Dawg- I, for one, trust what you have to say. So do others, obviously. At LEAST two Pegs were bought based on your review, and the feedback of everyone else. I haven't lost trust just because I had a problem- and I don't think anyone else should either. Not only are problems like this common with nearly ANYthing coming out of China as a "new product," but problems just happen on their own, at random.
I work in a Manufacturing environment. We're more white-collar here (a clean electronics environment) than blue collar. We SHOULD have our stuff together, but I continually see problems. (And I'm continually amazed at the lack of work ethic here and other places.) A THOUSAND different minor things could have happened to cause my problem. It could be as simple as a part dropped and put back into the wrong parts bin, or a piece of gunk trapped in a passage somewhere. A kink in a hose could have done this.
The Chinese are production minded, looking for continuous improvement in OUTPUT. They are just not at the level of Japan or (dare I say this) the US for continuous improvement in QUALITY. When I worker doesn't hit a number for production, they are all but physically beaten for doing so. They could lose their job, but worse- are often publicly humiliated in front of the peers around them. Sooner or later, this will become different, as the impact of quality becomes more important than a well-oiled production plant. Everyone should be aware of these dynamics. (This isn't to say that all facilities / sources are this way- they surely are not.)
I'll say it again, just because I happened to have one with a problem- I miss it dearly. The thing is an incredible ride that I miss every day it isn't here. It is built well in places other scooters SUCK, and they did take measures to decrease the likelihood of problems in other areas like the spark plug quality. (NGK from the start.)
The other problem being discussed now could be as simple as a bad diode or resistor in an electronic circuit. Give it two more years of (CONSTRUCTIVE) feedback, criticism, and problem solving- and it'll be a flash in the pan.
If QLink remains serious about delivering a quality product, I could see their bikes overtaking a number of other brands if only because of their accessibility.
Don't take it to heart man, I'm not feeling burnt about it. These are just random latent problems that no one could have predicted. It could have happened to you as well as anyone else and just didn't.
I will continue to believe it is the nature of (most of) what we're buying here. We are helping to establish a new series of products for an entirely different market- in a place that was traditionally full motorcycle- for many different reasons. There are bound to be issues. I just don't think they're with you, the forum, the site, or even (a few of) the dealers we've discussed.
So rock on, keep up the feedback. And everyone else take a chill pill before blaming the world's problems on another individual's honest experience. (If that even is happening at all.)
Edit: I'm sorry if it seems I'm kicking a dead horse or trying to get a "last word" in here. I just wanted to make sure readers understand what I'm trying to say. If anyone needs clarification feel free to PM me.
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Post by scootnbear on Oct 4, 2007 12:58:09 GMT -5
Well savage223 You need to increase the number to three. I purchased a Silver Pegasus on Sept 17th. I have been reading about the scooter here on the forum, listening to everybodies issues, read and re-read Dawgs review. Then went and researched more on the internet and finally made the decision to pruchase. Man am I glad too, this scooter is sooooo sweet to ride, I actually look for longer ways to get home from work so I can be out on it longer. I found a great dealer in the Portland, OR. area, family run business, established a good relationship with them and feel very confident that my Peg will be around for a long, long time. I have just under 200km on it now and just have a little bucking when I'm at 30 - 35 mph, no temp problems or anything else. So, thanks to all of you for the great information and helping me fine a great new scoot.
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Post by whodunnit on Oct 4, 2007 14:51:14 GMT -5
If these are being checked before shipment, why aren't these problems right from start up not being caught on the test drives?
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Post by Admin on Oct 4, 2007 21:49:17 GMT -5
If these are being checked before shipment, why aren't these problems right from start up not being caught on the test drives? Hey, whodunnit, I can't tell which post you are replying to. What problems are you talking about? Nobody said they were all test ridden. Toyota doesn't test drive every car. It's dealer responsiblity to make sure the vehicle is inspected and properly prepped. I got an email from Johnny Tai last week and he does follow this forum. He made it clear that he saw a couple postings about lazy or inept dealers. They are working at improving dealer selection but you have to understand that signing dealers is the way these companies expand. I've been around a lot of years and know how to spot quality people, quality organizations and quality product. At risk of sounding like a commercial, I stand behind what I say about QLINK and the Peg. It's amazing to me that people can read this thread and go away with the idea that the Peg is plagued with problems. Sure, once and a while any machine can have problems but you've got to factor in the quality of mechanical care.
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Post by whodunnit on Oct 5, 2007 2:36:53 GMT -5
Hey Dawg, I'm repling to the posts from gary2gs that says his Peg is "stumbling, flat spot and won't go over 30mph" and since gary2gs bought his from CBXMan when I checking out the site under the CBX Difference I was under the impression that during the "20 point check" which includes the "test riding all their vechicles" they should be able to catch those drivability problems? Toyota does in fact "test" each car for drivability problems at the factory during the "Rolls Test" And I certainly did NOT say "Pegs are plagued with problems" Out of this 8 page blog I asked what I felt was one legit question
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Post by gary2gs on Oct 5, 2007 13:44:31 GMT -5
If I can, with all respect, say The problem with my Pegasus was intermittent. Did not even show up for the first 70 Km. The bad CDI will be replaced by CBXMAN. The scooter and service I've received has been more then I expected.
I have my own thread on my scooter titled "New Pegasus-Performance Problem" in the 125cc and up section of the forum. Sorry if I butted in.
Gary
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Post by whodunnit on Oct 5, 2007 15:52:21 GMT -5
Gary,
No problem, thanks for answering my question.
Bob
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Post by savage223 on Oct 5, 2007 19:56:24 GMT -5
Here is another thing out of context, but as my luck runs anyhow it goes hand in hand with what Dawg said.
Test drove my 2006 Jeep Commander one year ago. Bought it pretty much on site. Drove it like mad for a weekend. Took it to work ONE day- the next work day- and POOF (sound familiar???!!!) lights on all over the dashboard.
Came to find that the brain plug had a broken retention ear on it. Nothing that any city test would have found- it wasn't until I banged it around a little that it showed up.
Same goes for the problem I have to have my scoot back to get fixed- the factory (mis-) installed O-ring in the transmission. The same one that blew fluid out of the bottom when running, and I had no indication. (And no ability to check it- the engineers REMOVED the transmission fluid dipstick.)
Stuff like this happens I guess. That's what warranties are for. Whether or not you can have them properly executed is a whole different matter.
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