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Post by youngboipsl on Feb 16, 2013 15:47:50 GMT -5
Oh darn.. I hope my scooter continues to do fine then... I just took it over the bayside bridge going 65mph an hour ago testing my new helmet I hope you meant testing it for fit, not for durability. Testing the lifting. My other helmet had a bunch of wind lift when I went over the bridge previously, made me not want to ride over 45. But this new helmet did great and absolutely no lift and my face felt comfortable. |
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Post by youngboipsl on Feb 16, 2013 15:50:43 GMT -5
The link says its top speed is 65-70 mph. Assuming you're on a freeway with a speed limit of 65mph....your trip is 180 miles....Is it "healthy" for an engine to run at its top speed for 1-3 hours? My top speed is 86 |
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Post by youngboipsl on Feb 16, 2013 15:51:38 GMT -5
Do YOU like the scoot Mr. Young? You ride it and have fun. Anything else is just an opinion..... A scooter will breakdown at somepoint, The differece is, Your's will cost much less. Seems smart IMO... I love it! |
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Post by spandi on Feb 16, 2013 15:56:30 GMT -5
The link says its top speed is 65-70 mph. Assuming you're on a freeway with a speed limit of 65mph....your trip is 180 miles....Is it "healthy" for an engine to run at its top speed for 1-3 hours? My top speed is 86 I KNEW IT! (But now they're gonna' say your speedo is off.)  |
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Post by youngboipsl on Feb 16, 2013 16:02:55 GMT -5
I KNEW IT! (But now they're gonna' say your speedo is off.) The dealer I bought mine girlfriend gps tested it |
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Post by danno711 on Feb 16, 2013 16:45:14 GMT -5
The link says its top speed is 65-70 mph. Assuming you're on a freeway with a speed limit of 65mph....your trip is 180 miles....Is it "healthy" for an engine to run at its top speed for 1-3 hours? My top speed is 86 Well...it's red, of course it goes faster! Spandi, I'm still trying to figure out how you knew it would go faster than the Manufacturers own spec numbers? I guess it was your visit to the plant that gave you some insight? Has anyone ever heard of speedometer issues with Chinese bikes? or is that just rumors? |
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Post by spandi on Feb 16, 2013 16:49:24 GMT -5
I chased one and compared it with the speedo on my flying saucer, how else? ;D
(Actually I've just noticed that manufacturers tend to post rather conservative top speed numbers...sometimes by quite a bit.)
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Post by danno711 on Feb 16, 2013 17:23:53 GMT -5
So is it good for a bike to run at its top speed for hours at a time?
Have you ever heard of speedometer issues with Chinese bikes, or is that just rumors?
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Post by youngboipsl on Feb 16, 2013 17:27:39 GMT -5
So is it good for a bike to run at its top speed for hours at a time? Have you ever heard of speedometer issues with Chinese bikes, or is that just rumors? People go from Clearwater to Orlando on this bike fine, they had to go 60mph+... I think its fine since its water cooled.... A lot of bikes/ scooters have a little off speedometer. Some cars too |
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Post by prodigit on Feb 16, 2013 18:21:27 GMT -5
My BMS TXB260 with fuel injection went 81-83MPH, so I'd believe if a 300cc carb bike would be able to go 86.
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Post by motts on Feb 16, 2013 19:11:25 GMT -5
The 400 is not available yet. Maybe next year.
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Post by spandi on Feb 17, 2013 2:53:16 GMT -5
When you factor in the value per dollar spent, Linhai takes the cake and the platter it came on.  |
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Post by danno711 on Feb 17, 2013 5:31:59 GMT -5
I don't think so. If I were to have decided on this Chinese bike,I would have had to spend about a $1,000 dollars more than I did for my 2008, 8,000 mile Burgman 400, which is coming with lot's of extra add ons, including a Givi Monokey luggage case, and all the needed hardware. A Givi windshield, and matching color hand guards.
A member of Scootdawg by the name of Danny did a review on the Linhai a few years back, overall he was happy with his purchase, but he did have this to say about the Linhai..
I think the Linhai is a very good scooter when compared to other Chinese scooters. But, until we have a track record of them lasting 30, 40 or 50,000 miles, they should not be compared with a Japanese bike.
For the $3300 plus another 2-$300 in tax you'll pay for a new Linhai, there are a lot of low mileage 250cc- 400cc Japanese scooters for sale in the $2500-$3500 range. Spending $3500 dollars on a new Chinese scoot in today's buyers market seems completely illogical in my personal opinion.
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Post by youngboipsl on Feb 17, 2013 5:55:22 GMT -5
l I don't think so. If I were to have decided on this Chinese bike,I would have had to spend about a $1,000 dollars more than I did for my 2008, 8,000 mile Burgman 400, which is coming with lot's of extra add ons, including a Givi Monokey luggage case, and all the needed hardware. A Givi windshield, and matching color hand guards. A member of Scootdawg by the name of Danny did a review on the Linhai a few years back, overall he was happy with his purchase, but he did have this to say about the Linhai.. For the $3300 plus another 2-$300 in tax you'll pay for the Linhai, there are a lot of low mileage 250cc- 400cc Japanese scooters for sale in the $2500-$3500 range. Spending $3500 dollars on a new Chinese scoot in today's buyers market seems completely illogical in my personal opinion. Actually bought mine new 2600. |
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Post by danno711 on Feb 17, 2013 6:06:21 GMT -5
Actually bought mine new 2600. Actually, that's not an option any more |
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Post by oldbikerider on Feb 17, 2013 7:52:42 GMT -5
I got a 2008 with 1400 miles on it from a board member who had overheating issues and a small carb fire. I have been repairing it and will be riding it next week. After spending time working on it and playing with it I am impressed with how well it is made.
Danno711, running at 100% throttle for hours at a time on any machine ( Chinese, Japanese or Euro) is not a good idea. From my experience, most bikes will have a sweet spot that they will cruise at. They may go faster but the machine feels wrong. On my Metropolitan at 3/4 throttle, it will ride all day with out problem if I want to, but wide open it runs different and tends to loosen the screws holding the plastic together. As for the Linhai 300, I will soon be finding that sweet spot and let you know.
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Post by danno711 on Feb 17, 2013 8:16:52 GMT -5
Danno711, running at 100% throttle for hours at a time on any machine ( Chinese, Japanese or Euro) is not a good idea. From my experience, most bikes will have a sweet spot that they will cruise at. They may go faster but the machine feels wrong. On my Metropolitan at 3/4 throttle, it will ride all day with out problem if I want to, but wide open it runs different and tends to loosen the screws holding the plastic together. As for the Linhai 300, I will soon be finding that sweet spot and let you know. Thank you. Of course it's not good for any engine to run at its capacity for hours at a time. Until your post, people on here seemed hesitant to admit to that. Another factor that hasn't come up is the size of the rider. I'm a big person. I'm over 6 feet and weigh right at 300 pounds. The bike is not going to perform the same for me as it would for a person weighing 160 pounds. Logic tells us a 400 is going to perform better and for longer periods of time in this scenario, than a 300 no matter who makes it. |
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Post by bikernuc on Feb 17, 2013 10:16:33 GMT -5
Hi,
I was a member a few years ago and now I am back, and I found my old profile so now I am posting this under it.
Regarding the Linhai 300 vs the big names, it all comes down to what you want out of a scooter.
The gold standard in this discussion seems to be the Bergman 400, with an MSRP of $7900, ABS , fuel injection and a other “advancements”. You may be able to get some off the MSRP so for discussion I’ll say $7000.00 for the Burgman. I am talking new here, the used market is an apple/oranges kind of comparison. I just looked online and saw a new Linhai for $2700-3300+, delivered. (you may have to do your own PDI for the lower price)
I have to admit that my attitude to technology in my personal transportation is: “less is more”. The Linhai with its carburetor (not EFI), it’s simple (non- electronically controlled) CV transmission, means to me: less to break, more I can fix myself if it does.
I have a 2006 Linhai 300 that I bought new in 2006 for ~ $2700 from a local dealer who did the initial set up (PDI). I judge myself to be an above average DIY mechanic and I am comfortable doing any work on car or bike that does not include a complete engine tear down. I never plan on selling it, so resale value is moot. My bike has just fewer than 7K miles on it (I have other bikes and cars I drive) and all I have done to it for maintenance is oil changes (engine and rear), regularly inspecting the drive line and a set of tires. A dash clock is easy to add, the lack of trip odo is a pain, but to me not worth a couple grand to worry about it. I have found its fit and finish to be adequate, that is, better than most other China scooters I have seen, but below par for the Japanese and Korean products.
My Linhai tops out about 70mph (GPS verified, 215# rider tall windshield, extra trunk on back) so my comfort level is roads with speed limits of 65 mph or less. I avoid limited access hi-ways with it. My normal riding speed is an indicated 60 mph (58 w/gps) as most of the roads around me have 55mph speed limit, so for me the 70mph max speed is fine. I have ridden with my wife as passenger with no noticeable effect on cruising speed but a little slower acceleration.
If you really need to cruise at 70mph, cannot or do not wish to learn how to work on your own stuff then spending 2X+ more on the Burgman may be for you. If sewing machine smoothness and near perfect fit and finish is a must, again the Burgam or similar is for you. However if you would rather have $3 to 4K in the bank, save on insurance, and can happy with a top speed of~70 mph, a max cruise speed of 60-65mph and are willing to work on you own machine, then the Linhai is worthy of consideration.
In summery do your research before you buy, get the scooter you’ll be happy with and worry less about what your Buds think.
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Post by spandi on Feb 17, 2013 10:41:54 GMT -5
I would like to point out that apparently Linhai (like other Chinese manufacturers ) has improved QC as time has gone on. The fit and finish on parts and body panels I saw were very clean and well made. As far as a computer controlled CVT, why would you want something (in a area that is prone to breakdown) only a tech could fix?
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Post by prodigit on Feb 17, 2013 10:55:13 GMT -5
Actually bought mine new 2600. Actually, that's not an option any more Well I believe those burgmans won't be for sale for $4k, for too long neither. Comparing to the new price you get a lot for a Linhai. You can be lucky if you find a good deal on a second hand Burgman, eventhough there are many good deals out there; you can't count on them. In many area's a second hand Burgman is as difficult to get as a Linhai. |
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Post by WarrenS on Feb 17, 2013 11:03:03 GMT -5
The Burgman 400 does not have a computer controlled CVT. The 650 does which gives it the ability to shift gears manually if one wants to.
As for running flat out, liquid cooled is better for the engine. Most quality scooters have rev limiters that protect the engine from undue stress.
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Post by spandi on Feb 17, 2013 11:27:53 GMT -5
Actually, that's not an option any more Well I believe those burgmans won't be for sale for $4k, for too long neither. Comparing to the new price you get a lot for a Linhai. You can be lucky if you find a good deal on a second hand Burgman, eventhough there are many good deals out there; you can't count on them. In many area's a second hand Burgman is as difficult to get as a Linhai. As soon as the temperature goes up so do the prices. |
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Post by bikernuc on Feb 17, 2013 11:38:22 GMT -5
My bad about the CVT type on the 400 Burgman , but I think my point about relative simplicity is still valid. The Linhai 300 also has liquid cooling.
The rev limiter may protect your valves from floating or such, but constantly riding just below it could likely hurt long term durability. It it my personal preference to max cruise a machine like this 5 to 10 mph below their "max speed" whether "max speed" is based on max safe RPM or load (over heating, lugging, what ever)
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Post by oldbikerider on Feb 17, 2013 13:04:19 GMT -5
100 CCs will make a difference for the larger folks on the road. You will mostly notice it in acceleration, braking and fuel consumption. For a larger person the increase in CCs might be a good thing. I am 200 lbs so a 300CC scooter will suit me fine even with the wife aboard.
Personally I don't have a problem with any brand. You do your research and spend your money and live with the compromises you made.
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Post by danno711 on Feb 17, 2013 13:22:49 GMT -5
The gold standard in this discussion seems to be the Bergman 400, with an MSRP of $7900, ABS , fuel injection and a other “advancements”. You may be able to get some off the MSRP so for discussion I’ll say $7000.00 for the Burgman. I am talking new here, the used market is an apple/oranges kind of comparison. I just looked online and saw a new Linhai for $2700-3300+, delivered. (you may have to do your own PDI for the lower price) What makes the comparison equal is a persons budget. Typically, if a person is in the market for a bike they have a budget in mind. So assuming their budget was $3300...the question then is a reasonable one...are they better off buying a new Linhai or a Burgman with relatively low miles? I like that  |
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Post by edfr on Feb 17, 2013 13:48:51 GMT -5
The gold standard in this discussion seems to be the Bergman 400, with an MSRP of $7900, ABS , fuel injection and a other “advancements”. You may be able to get some off the MSRP so for discussion I’ll say $7000.00 for the Burgman. I am talking new here, the used market is an apple/oranges kind of comparison. I just looked online and saw a new Linhai for $2700-3300+, delivered. (you may have to do your own PDI for the lower price) What makes the comparison equal is a persons budget. Typically, if a person is in the market for a bike they have a budget in mind. So assuming their budget was $3300...the question then is a reasonable one...are they better off buying a new Linhai or a Burgman with relatively low miles? I like that That is right on, get what you can afford also take into consideration on big brand rides parts are very expensive and if you cannot do the work yourself the labor itself will empty your wallet as well. Lefty |
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Post by prodigit on Feb 17, 2013 13:50:10 GMT -5
If the burg has less than 10k miles, I'd go with it, simply because a lot of places want to work on it.
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Post by spandi on Feb 17, 2013 14:47:15 GMT -5
Why do that if you can wrench it yourself and not have to pay someone 75 bucks an hour?
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Post by youngboipsl on Feb 17, 2013 15:37:00 GMT -5
Actually bought mine new 2600. Actually, that's not an option any more Lol you seem like one of those internet kids who nags. Many places in my area sell these bikes new for that price. I saw one for 1600 new. So next time your going to "actually" me, check your f*king facts. Mmmmkay. |
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Post by youngboipsl on Feb 17, 2013 15:42:35 GMT -5
Hi, I was a member a few years ago and now I am back, and I found my old profile so now I am posting this under it. Regarding the Linhai 300 vs the big names, it all comes down to what you want out of a scooter. The gold standard in this discussion seems to be the Bergman 400, with an MSRP of $7900, ABS , fuel injection and a other “advancements”. You may be able to get some off the MSRP so for discussion I’ll say $7000.00 for the Burgman. I am talking new here, the used market is an apple/oranges kind of comparison. I just looked online and saw a new Linhai for $2700-3300+, delivered. (you may have to do your own PDI for the lower price) I have to admit that my attitude to technology in my personal transportation is: “less is more”. The Linhai with its carburetor (not EFI), it’s simple (non- electronically controlled) CV transmission, means to me: less to break, more I can fix myself if it does. I have a 2006 Linhai 300 that I bought new in 2006 for ~ $2700 from a local dealer who did the initial set up (PDI). I judge myself to be an above average DIY mechanic and I am comfortable doing any work on car or bike that does not include a complete engine tear down. I never plan on selling it, so resale value is moot. My bike has just fewer than 7K miles on it (I have other bikes and cars I drive) and all I have done to it for maintenance is oil changes (engine and rear), regularly inspecting the drive line and a set of tires. A dash clock is easy to add, the lack of trip odo is a pain, but to me not worth a couple grand to worry about it. I have found its fit and finish to be adequate, that is, better than most other China scooters I have seen, but below par for the Japanese and Korean products. My Linhai tops out about 70mph (GPS verified, 215# rider tall windshield, extra trunk on back) so my comfort level is roads with speed limits of 65 mph or less. I avoid limited access hi-ways with it. My normal riding speed is an indicated 60 mph (58 w/gps) as most of the roads around me have 55mph speed limit, so for me the 70mph max speed is fine. I have ridden with my wife as passenger with no noticeable effect on cruising speed but a little slower acceleration. If you really need to cruise at 70mph, cannot or do not wish to learn how to work on your own stuff then spending 2X+ more on the Burgman may be for you. If sewing machine smoothness and near perfect fit and finish is a must, again the Burgam or similar is for you. However if you would rather have $3 to 4K in the bank, save on insurance, and can happy with a top speed of~70 mph, a max cruise speed of 60-65mph and are willing to work on you own machine, then the Linhai is worthy of consideration. In summery do your research before you buy, get the scooter you’ll be happy with and worry less about what your Buds think. Thanks ;D |
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