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Post by ScooterChick on May 1, 2012 14:05:24 GMT -5
Ok, It;s me again...
I have noticed that every time I try to start my scooter from cold, it has to be tried 4 or more times before it will start although it sounds like it is going to. When it gets warmed up, it starts without any problem. Once I drove it as far as a half block and it just shut off. It was idling very low and the mechanic was right there since I was leaving his shop. He took it back and adjusted it.
Since then, I have taken it back a couple of times and the mechanic adjusted the idle/choke thingee again and assured me that they will get the "bugs" out as I ride it and they come up. I only have 97k's on it so far. So, I know it is not broken in yet. But I am still having the same problems. Any ideas as to what might be the problem? It is brand new and still under warranty. So, if something needs to be replaced, it will not be a problem.
Help!!
Scooterchick
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Post by wile on May 1, 2012 14:36:47 GMT -5
Tell the mechanic to adjust the Fuel Ratio Mixture, It is hard to tell if it is getting TO MUCH GAS or NOT ENOUGH. So when COLD crank it a COUPLE of times and STOP don't let it start. Take out the PLUG and see if it is WET OR DRY. IF WET the FUEL RATIO Mixture has to be LEANED out. IF DRY the FUEL RATIO Mixture has to be RICHENED up.
Now once it starts and gets nice and Warm at least 5 minutes have him adjust the Fuel Ratio
to get the HIGHEST IDLE out of it and then lower the IDLE to 1800-2000 rpms and the REAR wheel not spinning.
Wile
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Post by scootard on May 1, 2012 15:53:07 GMT -5
We have not pulled the plug to see if the mixture is too fat, but I suspect too lean. Once it does start it sputs then dies, then putters then dies, then idles but slow. It does idle and starts fine warm.
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Post by scootard on May 1, 2012 15:54:25 GMT -5
Oh yeah...I am Scooter Chick's husband. The Saga has 62mi. on it.
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Post by wile on May 1, 2012 16:38:50 GMT -5
So are you the mechanic? Ok, so get your screwdriver ready and start it up cold and turn it the A/F screw COUNTER CLOCKWISE at least a half turn and wait to see if the idle starts to rise if it does your going the right way then just turn it 1/4 at a time and wait in between the turns to allow the motor to catch up with the new setting.
If it gets worse turn it CLOCKWISE as it is sputtering.
Wile
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Post by richardthescooter1 on May 1, 2012 17:35:18 GMT -5
Scooterchick and scootard have you or your dealer done a PDI on that scoot?
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Post by ScooterChick on May 1, 2012 18:22:27 GMT -5
Scootard is not the mechanic, but did build a small car before.... ;D
We spoke to the mechanic a few minutes ago who made the suggestion that we roll on and off the throttle two or three times and then try starting it. Which I thought would flood the thing, but hey this is me.... the one who can't get my liters and gallons worked out! ha...
My husband seemed to know what he was talking about and we will try it the next time we take it out. Also, it has so few miles on it because of the weather here. I know the fluids and all of that is something that they did when we purchased it. The fuel mixture thingee is the only thing that has not gotten straightened out yet. But the mechanic is very cooperative. So, I know he will do whatever needs to be done.
We don't want to do too much ourselves as it will void our 2 year warranty. I would rather they be responsible than us!
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Post by richardthescooter1 on May 1, 2012 18:26:43 GMT -5
That's cool, l'd keep taking it back til it was right.
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Post by ScooterChick on May 1, 2012 19:17:46 GMT -5
oh yes, we intend to do just that.....:-).
Just don't want it to become "our" problem because we tinkered with something we shouldn't have.....
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Post by wile on May 1, 2012 20:03:46 GMT -5
Scootard is not the mechanic, but did build a small car before.... ;D We spoke to the mechanic a few minutes ago who made the suggestion that we roll on and off the throttle two or three times and then try starting it. Which I thought would flood the thing, but hey this is me.... the one who can't get my liters and gallons worked out! ha... IF the Carb has a PUMP that will squirt extra fuel into the intake. BUT if your Carb DOE not have a PUMP it will do SQUAT and your mechanic should know that. Can you guys take a picture of the SIDE of the carb the THROTTLE CABLE is attached to I will tell you if your Carb has a pump. Wile |
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Post by ScooterChick on May 2, 2012 9:49:31 GMT -5
 uhhhh, I'll let Scootard do that since I have no idea what the thing looks like!  Sorry. He can get a pic posted though, I'm sure.
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Post by WarrenS on May 2, 2012 9:59:55 GMT -5
It sounds like the enrichener [choke] is not working properly. It could be a disconnected wire or the enrichener itself. The mechanic could check it to see if it is working.
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Post by ScooterChick on May 2, 2012 13:42:35 GMT -5
yeah, him and Scootard was talking "shop" yesterday. The issue is, the bike will be due for it's first service soon and the mechanic doesn't want to do it "twice". he has to do the 500k one becaues the warranty requires it. But he also said that if we keep trying things between now and then that don't work, we could possibly bring it in at the 400-450 mark for the first service.
When had my Kymco, the mechanic pretty much told me the same thing. They really don't want to mess with a lot of adjustments before the service time because they only end up having to re-adjust everything again soon after.
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Post by wile on May 2, 2012 14:14:30 GMT -5
Well that is a shame and I do hope the mechanic knows where the carb is for your sake because I think he is giving you guys a story. First you cannot adjust the choke and Its a 5 minute job to adjust the carb if he knows anything about carbs.
But hope it all works out for you, good luck.
Wile
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Post by ScooterChick on May 2, 2012 16:17:27 GMT -5
ok, so Scootard just told me that what the guy adjusted was the screw on the "air" thingee and one on the idle thingee... He said that the part you want to see is buried inside the bike. But he will take the picture anyway. Coming soon to a theatre near you! ;D |
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Post by scootard on May 2, 2012 17:47:03 GMT -5
Scootard here. Thanks to all who posted, particularly Wile. I did go out to take a picture of the carb, and tried that which the mechanic had suggested. (roll on and off the throttle 3X prior to cranking) It sounded equally parts cheese and hoke to me, but lo and behold she fired right up and idled sweetly. Colour me surprised! Will continue to monitor the situation and fill y'all in as required. Thanks again for the advice/help.
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Post by wile on May 2, 2012 18:14:40 GMT -5
Still would love to see the Right side of the carb because like I said I do not believe ANY of the 250s have a pump they have an Automatic Enricher. So I would love to see this 250 carb with a pump on it. How about that picture  ;D. Wile |
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Post by ScooterChick on May 2, 2012 19:49:38 GMT -5
Hey Wile...Scootard here. I pulled the plastic off the top and got a pic of the left side of the carb, but there wasn't enough room to get to the right side. I didn't want to start dismantling the scooter, just the easily removeable bits. I'll post what I got.
The fellow who sold us the scoot did make some adjustments, but I think he just fiddled with the adjustment screws on the right side of the carb....
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Post by ScooterChick on May 2, 2012 19:57:14 GMT -5
ok, well....now. We can't figure out how to get the pics on here??? Any suggestions? I know how to send them in a regular e-mail, but can't figure out how to upload to this site..... None of our pics have a "url" as they are loaded on the computer and not on the internet. I clicked on the image feature and tried to paste the picture address from the computer, but nothing showed up. I think it has to actually have an internet address; which ours do not... soooooo,..........hummmm? sigh |
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Post by wile on May 2, 2012 20:10:58 GMT -5
You can use photobucket.com/ it is free you load up your pictures and or videos and you can copy the links and paste them on here. That is ok looking at the Left side is good enough that will also tell me if it has a pump or not. Wile |
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Post by ScooterChick on May 2, 2012 20:13:19 GMT -5
ok...... Will try that. Got to run to a meeting, but will upload what we have when we get back. Not sure it's what you needed to see though.... |
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Post by ScooterChick on May 2, 2012 20:21:37 GMT -5
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Post by ScooterChick on May 2, 2012 20:23:09 GMT -5
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Post by ScooterChick on May 2, 2012 20:24:37 GMT -5
holy cow, man. Those things came out huge! I won't even attempt to fix that. But here is the only pics we cold get. It is a really tight fit and Scootard had a time even getting his hand inside the casing.
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Post by wile on May 2, 2012 20:26:28 GMT -5
That is cool, It is what I thought IT DOES NOT HAVE A PUMP, so that B.S from the Mechanic about giving the throttle a couple of twists is just that B.S. It has an Automatic Choke and gas ONLY gets sucked out of the Carb Bowl with suction.
Wile
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Post by wile on May 2, 2012 20:45:08 GMT -5
Set the size to upload as 640x480, click on upload and to the right it says CUSTOMIZE YOUR UPLOAD OPTIONS click on that then select 640x480 those are perfect sizes for the forums.
Wile
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Post by scootard on May 3, 2012 0:27:41 GMT -5
Wile: If it has an autochoke, did twisting the throttle set the choke for high idle the way the old Chevs used to? We used to set the choke then give it a kick to settle the idle down (back in the day). Is this the same thing?
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Post by scootard on May 3, 2012 0:44:47 GMT -5
Scooter Chick asks: Is the upload modifier in Photobucket or new post? She has looked and cannot find it.
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Post by nulldevice on May 3, 2012 9:49:53 GMT -5
That is cool, It is what I thought IT DOES NOT HAVE A PUMP, so that B.S from the Mechanic about giving the throttle a couple of twists is just that B.S. It has an Automatic Choke and gas ONLY gets sucked out of the Carb Bowl with suction. Wile You need to use caution with Wile's advice. Don't go hector your mechanic because of what he said. Each time you twist the throttle, the accelerator pump gives a small squirt of gas from the float bowl into the intake and primes the motor. It has nothing to do with setting the choke or cold idle speed. Its main use is to prevent a hesitation or stumble of the motor when you quickly open the throttle at low to moderate motor speed. Next, there is no choke in the scooter CV carbs I have seen. A choke is a plate that rotates and nearly shuts off the air going into the carburetor. Instead they have a fuel circuit that lets extra fuel flow when the motor is first started. It has an electrically operated valve that gradually shuts the extra fuel flow off as the motor warms up. The idle mixture and idle speed is set after the motor is fully warmed up, not cold. |
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Post by ScooterChick on May 3, 2012 17:53:39 GMT -5
Scootard said he gets what your're saying... He's going to write you back as soon as he gets a chance. Now, me on the other hand....  , ain't got a clue. I e.thought the choke and the throttle was the same thing! ha geeze......  |
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uhhhh, I'll let Scootard do that since I have no idea what the thing looks like! 
Sorry.
;D.
, ain't got a clue. I e.thought the choke and the throttle was the same thing! ha