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Post by RetroAJ on Jul 12, 2007 14:21:45 GMT -5
I don't think that she meant any offense, anime can get pretty crazy sometimes. I think she shoudl hop onboard.
*A J*
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 14:56:48 GMT -5
3jane....I in no way meant that as a racist comment. I work in a very diverse environment with people from all over the world, including Japan, and I very much enjoy the exposure to other cultures.
I am having a hard time finding the possible racism of my comment, unless you mean the short Jap for Japanese, which I am unaware of as a slur. The only slur in regards to Japan and Japanese, which I would never use other than as a reference, like now, is Nip. Or perhaps it's the combination of the word "freaking" along with "Jap" that worries you. In this particular case the work freaking is more in response to me being silly enough to take the words "digital camera" to create "digicam".
In point of reference, my comment is more a comment on American culture as anime style cartoons are very popular with American children, including my son. In fact, the Digimon series (eg, digicam - Digimon) is what I was referencing in particular. If you've followed this thread you will have noticed that I post in a very casual and irreverent manner. I don't intend to change. Since you're sensitive to political correctness you probably noticed that I call myself Fat and Happy in my avatar. And you will notice that I am, in fact, fat. And most of the time I'm pretty happy. When my scooter isn't broken.
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Post by dchme on Jul 12, 2007 15:17:46 GMT -5
<OT> Here's a link to wikipedia, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JapI recently pointed out an offensive term used by another member when he/she used the term "chinks" in a negative connotation. I mean the "N" word is what it is, however which way you slice it.
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Post by Aaron on Jul 12, 2007 15:22:22 GMT -5
I have read all of Jen's posts and I did not have a racial reaction to that digicam comment. I did remove a reference to "Chink" in another post by another member as I felt that was derogatory. I got what Jen meant and I'm sorry if it it offended someone. Everyone is welcome here and any actual racism will be promptly dealt with. Political correctness has gone too far and made us scared of ourselves. Ease up everyone. Jen perhaps you can modify that post's wording? Just go to that thread and click modify and rewrite that part...
Aaron
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 16:31:06 GMT -5
All...let me qualify myself here...I am a great big FAT liberal girl. I am the LAST person to use a slur (except when I mean it affectionately to a personal friend) against any group....even REPUBLICANS. Still, I too believe that political correctness has become ridiculous and I refuse to kowtow (look, a Chinese reference!) to it when it's obvious my intention was not harmful.
dchme....until you posted that I had no idea that the term Jap is used as a slur. This might be because I've never heard it used that way.
I remember when I used to use the word queer to mean strange, back in the late 80s. And then I got to college and people would jump my back about it. In that case the word queer as INCREASING become to mean homosexual, but not necessarily in a derogatory fashion. However, Jap is obviously DECREASINGLY becoming a derogatory term.
And unless you've been hiding under a rock it should have been obvious I was referring to anime, which is a Japanese product.
After all, on this forum I see constant reference to Chinometers and other Chinese things, made in fun, that no one finds offensive.
I am going to return to discussing what's wrong with my scooter. As far as I am concerned this conversation is over as I have made myself clear.
Aaron and AJ, thanks for keeping the faith. Aaron, I will edit my post because you asked me to do so.
Jen
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Post by swampsniper on Jul 12, 2007 16:50:59 GMT -5
You don't have any reason to dislike Republicans, there are none in the current administration ;D I sometimes wonder what they are, but I'm a real Republican. ;D
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 16:55:39 GMT -5
Hey Bob! All in fun....and yes, you're right...my disdain is actually for the group of people who call themselves Republicans. Notice I did not call myself a Democrat...same reason.
OK, I'm going home, taking a picutre of the inside of my scoot and going to try to post it....weather is good today.
And Bob, I haven't forgotten that I will drive by your old house and take a picture. That's what I will do to celebrate putting Carpi back together....I'll drive her over to your old house and snap that pic!
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Post by dchme on Jul 12, 2007 17:06:54 GMT -5
If your Carpi scooter has the floor mounted gas tank, it may indeed be pretty tough to attack the spark plug given the placement of everything. On my Bandit Retro under the seat tank, I still thought it was difficult to get to the plug. You might end up having to remove the plastic to get at it.
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Post by Andi on Jul 12, 2007 17:09:20 GMT -5
P<0.05,
Well put, I think for the most part people choose to be offended and for somebody that wants to offend, do they really need the attention to validate their ignorance?
Sorry to see you still have your scoot problem. Have you ever checked the starter yet? I still feel it is that, wouldn't be the first Chinese electrical problem (or maybe even your kick starter locked somehow? Not as likely though.)
Andi
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Post by Aaron on Jul 12, 2007 17:10:23 GMT -5
I'm with Bob on this one. I am an evil, mean spirited, conservative. But that doesn't stop me from liking people. That's what's great about this forum regardless of our politics, race, religion or any of that we share a common bond. Scooters. Group hug! LOL
Aaron
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Post by 3jane on Jul 12, 2007 17:34:57 GMT -5
Please understand, I wasn't offended in the least by Jen's use of "Jap". In fact, I didn't even notice it when I read her post. However, my friend did notice it and she brought it to my attention. According to her, Japanese people generally do regard "Jap" as a slur, on a par with "Chink," "Kike," "Wop," etc. She has good reason to be sensitive. Although she's as American as I am, and much prefers jeans to kimonos, growing up she was sometimes taunted by unkind classmates who called her a "Jap," usually accompanied by a pejorative adjective. Kids can be so cruel. Having racial slurs directed at them is not a rare occurrence for Asians -- or any ethnic group, for that matter -- in this culture.
I realize that Jen meant no offense, and I'm not pointing at her from on-high, pure as the driven snow. I am not without sin, far from it. One time I used the phrase "Jewing 'em down." I'd heard it all my life, and it was virtually without racial content to me; there was no bigotry behind it, just as there was none behind Jen's. However, a Jewish man took issue. Even though no offense was intended, I offended him. I learned something from that.
Look, I'm not advocating that we be painfully politically correct, walking on eggshells, fearful of committing the slightest offense -- only that we be reasonably sensitive to the feelings of forum readers who may represent different cultures, ethnicities, and religions. One thing's for sure -- I'm not bucking for Political Correctness Enforcement Officer. The hours are long and the pay is terrible.
3Jane
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Post by swampsniper on Jul 12, 2007 17:38:40 GMT -5
Hey Bob! All in fun....and yes, you're right...my disdain is actually for the group of people who call themselves Republicans. Notice I did not call myself a Democrat...same reason. OK, I'm going home, taking a picutre of the inside of my scoot and going to try to post it....weather is good today. And Bob, I haven't forgotten that I will drive by your old house and take a picture. That's what I will do to celebrate putting Carpi back together....I'll drive her over to your old house and snap that pic! From what I've heard the neighborhood has gone downhill, be careful.
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 19:40:11 GMT -5
OK, I'm back after (you were spot on about how hard it was to get to the spark dchme) getting some plastic off and taking a look.
The spark actually came out very easy. I just must have torqued it wrong to snap off the ceramic.
So...I've got the spark out.
I checked the oil again and it's definitely smelling like gas!
Let me check to see how to post pictures and I will come back and give more details....
Group hug back, everybody! Like family we might fight but we always make up!
After all, I'm just a good ole librul gal.....
Be right back!
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 20:38:27 GMT -5
OK, this should work. First up is my fuel pump....a JinBo, as previously mentioned: Second, here is my gas cap: Third, here are two pics showing my gas tank: Here's my spark and what it looked like inside the scoot: Here's the spark after I got it out: And those are all the pictures I have at this time. After taking the spark out I was not able to turn the engine or crank the kick to get gas to come out of the spark. Do I need to drain the oil first? Or, do we think that I've got some other problem? The oil DOES smell STRONGLY of gas..... Thanks, Jen
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Post by Aaron on Jul 12, 2007 21:06:15 GMT -5
Jen you don't need to drain the oil for these tests but if it smells of gas you will be changing it before this is over. Now put a socket on that nut in the middle of the fan/flywheel and see if you can turn the engine over manually. If so we have a starter and kick failure. Does it make any noise at all when you hit the starter I.E. does the starter engage and try to turn the engine or is there just a "click" from the relay..
Aaron
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 21:12:11 GMT -5
Aaron,
I put a socket on the flywheel nut and tried to turn clockwise. It wouldn't go. Now, I didn't force it. I gave it a firm pull and let it go. I also tried the kick but it still won't budge.
When I hit the starter I hear the click from the relay and then, if I hold the start button down, I hear a little electrical sounding whine that fades off. But that's it....
Thanks,
Jen
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Post by Aaron on Jul 12, 2007 21:20:52 GMT -5
Ouch Jen.... drain the oil and see if there is pieces of metal in it. Also to see how much comes out. If it is more than a quart it could have filled the base of the engine with gas. I'm getting worried at this point.
Aaron
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Post by Aaron on Jul 12, 2007 21:30:09 GMT -5
This is still a possibility Jen I'm having a hard time imagining that a scooter running perfectly fine would suffer serious engine damage while you were in the Doctors office.
Aaron
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Post by jspencer on Jul 12, 2007 21:30:22 GMT -5
Jen --
Your photos answered a question for me. I have the same little door on my Bandit RC-150 that hides your gas cap, but on mine it hides -- nothing. There's nothing useful behind it. I've wondered why I have a locking door to nothing. Obviously the same body is used on different scooters and so it has provision for gas caps in more than one place.
Jon
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Post by swampsniper on Jul 12, 2007 21:36:48 GMT -5
Ouch is right, it should move easy. I've seen lawn mower engines locked up when flooded with gas, all the oil washed off the rings and cylinder, and the rings dig in to the alloy bore. Are there any GY6 engines without an iron cylinder sleeve? I would drain the oil, then get some marvel mystery oil in through the plug hole, try to get it to spread around the bore, and let it soak in. It is pretty powerful stuff.
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 21:40:47 GMT -5
OK, I went out and pulled the plug and the oil came out....it's just dripping now but it doesn't look like more than a quart and I can't see any metal. When you say metal would it be chunks, shavings, or glitter?
In a sec I'm going to go back out and get the oil pan and bring it inside to take a picture of it to post.
What are you worried is the problem?
I am really grateful to you for helping me!
Jen
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 21:44:41 GMT -5
When I say I pulled the plug I mean the plug for the oil to come out...not the spark plug. I already got the spark out...it came out very easy, wasn't stuck at all. I must have broken it because of twisting my wrench strange....
OK, I'm going to go get the oil pan and take a pic....be right back...
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Post by swampsniper on Jul 12, 2007 21:48:33 GMT -5
It really shouldn't smell much like gasoline. Pour it through an old tee shirt or something to check for bits of metal.
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 21:52:35 GMT -5
OK, so no pic because my camera's battery died. But, I brought the pan into the house under bright light and there is NO metal in there. And, it's not more than a quart....it seems to be the same amount as when I drained it to change the oil right when I bought it.
But...it does smell very much of gas....
Would a bad starter cause that, too?
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 21:56:24 GMT -5
Does oil have it's own smell that's gasoline-esque? Perhaps it's me not being able to tell the difference.
Unless that metal is tee-tiny I don't think there's any in there. I watched the oil as it poured out until it started dripping and kept my flashlight on the stream...I didn't see anything. And just now I swirled it around and it looks like there's nothing in there but oil and an unfortunate moth....
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Post by 90GTVert on Jul 12, 2007 22:02:52 GMT -5
Someone should be shot for locating the pump above the tank like that, and the vacuum lines are OEM junk as well as being routed very poorly. Apparently I lost track of your problem. I though the issue was fuel starvation and a broken spark plug. Now it won't turn over? I think there is more to the story that I haven't heard (read). Stan OK, this should work. First up is my fuel pump....a JinBo, as previously mentioned: And those are all the pictures I have at this time. After taking the spark out I was not able to turn the engine or crank the kick to get gas to come out of the spark. Do I need to drain the oil first? Or, do we think that I've got some other problem? The oil DOES smell STRONGLY of gas..... Thanks, Jen
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Post by Aaron on Jul 12, 2007 22:04:41 GMT -5
No bad starter won't cause that. The way a starter works is when you hit the switch it pushes a gear outward that engages and turns the engine. If that is stuck out it would prevent the engine from turning over manually. Do you know where the starter is? It should be on top of the engine in front of the rear wheel... if you look at the flywheel pic a ways back you can just see it. You could try tapping on it with something to see if it "unsticks" beyond that you'll have to remove it and check to see if engine turns over. If it does it should start right up with new oil and a spark plug via the kicker. I've never removed one on a GY6 so I can't say how to do it though sorry!
Aaron
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Post by P<0.05 on Jul 12, 2007 22:15:36 GMT -5
Stan, it hasn't turned over since last Friday. A quick recap...I rode to the doctor's office about 8 miles from work. When I came out 3 hours later I got on, hit the starter. It made a weak version of it's regular starting noise a couple of times before it stopped altogether. The kick is frozen.....
I hauled it home in my minivan.
I have tried putting a screwdriver against the two bolts in the starter relay. It sparks and the relay engages but nothing happens.
When I hit the start button the relay engages and I will hear a low whine noise that fades off if I hold the starter down for a sec (not real long, though)
I took out the spark plug and tried to see if I could turn the flywheel with a wrench. No go. Tried the kick again. No go.
I just drained the oil and it all came out - volume is fine and no metal.
So, it's possible that the problem is with the starter.
On Saturday I will try what Aaron just said....I will locate the starter, tap on it. I'll put in a new spark and refill with oil. If she doesn't start then I will try to take the starter off.
Stan...should I try to move the fuel pump? Also, where would I get new vacuum lines? I might as well replace those while I've got her opened up.....
Thanks, guys!
I'll be taking suggestions until she's fixed. But tomorrow is an office happy hour so I doubt I will be working on her after work.
Jen
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Post by jeepers94 on Jul 12, 2007 22:17:20 GMT -5
I just want to chime in,and say I admire Jens persistence.I'll keep my fingers crossed for her!
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Post by Aaron on Jul 12, 2007 22:19:45 GMT -5
Whoa Girl!!! verify that the engine turns over before putting it all back together and if you find the starter is engaged and get it freed up don't use it!! Kick start it and get a new starter... If it stuck once it will again. No sense reassembling if it's not the problem.
Aaron
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