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Post by sjpassa on Mar 7, 2011 12:00:04 GMT -5
I have a 2010 Peace Sports Bashan the one with the VIP stickers and Future Champion on most of them it has really good power does 40-45 on ave on longer trips 35 through the city but when I hit a hill it loses power and hits 15-20 sometimes only 10 I put a new NGK plug in and it helped alot with power but the hills are a killer im not sure if its the rollers or the carb any suggestions?  ?? |
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Post by Bong on Mar 7, 2011 12:45:57 GMT -5
Big Bore Kit  You can try tuning the clutch (rollers or sliders, performance variator, clutch, better belt) but, A 72cc BBK is the best bang for the buck. Those hills will be no problem. BTW-The carb is most likley not the problem. |
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Post by larry001964 on Mar 7, 2011 15:11:10 GMT -5
Hello sjpassa
I have a Peace Sports Dash 50, to solve the uphill problem you will need to change the weights in the variator, Mine did the same thing as yours, and it came stock with 4.9 gram weights.. If you up the weights to 6.0 grams I think you will like the performance much better.. Now i get an average of 43 MPH, going up some hills i drop to about 35, normally when that happens, it's a hill combined with a hard wind.
I weight 215 pounds, and anywhere I think from 180 to 220 your looking at 6.0 gram rollers. And even with a BBK you will have to upgrade your CVT anyway to take advantage of the new power.
:-)
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Post by coolchino on Mar 7, 2011 21:46:31 GMT -5
My scooter stucks on 20MPH on a dam hill
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Post by larry001964 on Mar 7, 2011 22:05:32 GMT -5
My scooter stucks on 20MPH on a dam hill Coolching You should probably check your variator weights too. |
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Post by sjpassa on Mar 8, 2011 10:52:12 GMT -5
good to know I was thinking the weights on the variator and 6.0 grams sounds good to me I live in a valley with a ton of hills its great rides but the hills suck I'll get the rollers and let you guys know
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Post by sjpassa on Mar 8, 2011 10:58:30 GMT -5
on a side note my scooter is the same one as the black and red one pictured up here only mine is stock and white and dark brown i weigh 180 so 6.0 grams is what I need right?
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Post by larrball on Mar 8, 2011 11:18:51 GMT -5
Hello sjpassa I have a Peace Sports Dash 50, to solve the uphill problem you will need to change the weights in the variator, Mine did the same thing as yours, and it came stock with 4.9 gram weights.. If you up the weights to 6.0 grams I think you will like the performance much better.. Now i get an average of 43 MPH, going up some hills i drop to about 35, normally when that happens, it's a hill combined with a hard wind. I weight 215 pounds, and anywhere I think from 180 to 220 your looking at 6.0 gram rollers. And even with a BBK you will have to upgrade your CVT anyway to take advantage of the new power. :-) I would say larry is right on this i too have a scoot like yours and larry's. It's not a peace sports, but is the VIP FC All stock. From what i can gather, the CVT on the vip scooters seem to have a farily well tuned CVT right out of the box for some one in 150 - 190ish weight range and using heaver rollers or sliders helps the best on them for a simple fix (less a big bore kit). Now im not %100 sure what my rollers weigh in at but im thanking around 8g as im almost always in or near the power band up hills. Doin't hold this too me but i'v read that about the Vip scoots. |
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Post by sjpassa on Mar 9, 2011 13:06:29 GMT -5
My next question is how do I know what size rollers I need not the grams but the dimensions I've been looking and there is alot of different ones
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Post by larry001964 on Mar 9, 2011 13:14:13 GMT -5
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Post by sjpassa on Mar 9, 2011 13:35:02 GMT -5
ok so 16X13 6.0 grams or 6.5 what do you recommend i weigh 180 and my scoot looks just like your red and black one only mine is stock
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Post by larry001964 on Mar 9, 2011 14:02:19 GMT -5
ok so 16X13 6.0 grams or 6.5 what do you recommend i weigh 180 and my scoot looks just like your red and black one only mine is stock Mine for the most part is stock, I haven't done any upgrading to the engine, My major upgrades was to the CVT NYC teflon coated variator, I got from Enviormoto, and the 6.5 gram weights. a Few others upgrades I made to fix other problems i had. #88 jet because i was running to lean with a # 85 main, coil upgrades were mainly for cold weather starting. but if yours is running well no need. I think the 6.0 weights will do what you want, I think 6.5 are just a little too heavy without a BBK, So i em recommending the 6.0 gram weights. I'm actually getting ready to downgrade to them myself, to improve staying in the power band performance. Make one upgrade at a time and gauge the performance gains or losses then you can continue from that. |
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Post by sjpassa on Mar 9, 2011 14:05:04 GMT -5
sweet thanks
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Post by sjpassa on Mar 9, 2011 14:35:06 GMT -5
i did take it on a trip that was 120 miles roundtrip the way it is now went over the mountain at 10-15 im hoping this will get me at least 25-30 up steep hills
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Post by larry001964 on Mar 9, 2011 14:45:58 GMT -5
My normal speed up hills averages 35, Iv'e dropped to 30 if it was a two mile uphill slope with the wind coming at me at 15 mph or more.. But for the most part 35 to 42 is my average speeds. It's still a 50 cc so it will have it's limits it can do. But from the factory the Peace Sports are trying to I believe comply with the laws regarding a 50 cc scooters top speed. One way they accomplish this is the weight of the variator weights..
Also you wish to do some reading about other ways these scooters are restricted from the factory, washer in the varatior, airbox restrictions, Intake restrictors, or muffler restrictors. Mine had none of these but it's always wise to check... Good luck
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Post by sjpassa on Mar 9, 2011 14:59:04 GMT -5
yea i read about those i was gonna check the washer in the variator when i replace the rollers not sure where the others are but i heard that the newer one dont have those usually
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Post by sjpassa on Mar 10, 2011 11:28:44 GMT -5
I ordered those rollers off ebay so hopefully i'll have more speed on hills come monday or tuesday cant wait
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Post by larry001964 on Mar 10, 2011 11:44:19 GMT -5
I ordered those rollers off ebay so hopefully i'll have more speed on hills come monday or tuesday cant wait Great, I think you will be pleasantly surprised in the performance.. There will be one other gain you may notice. As the new weights will send your belt to the top of your variator more quickly, and your operating more in your power band, more power from the fuel your burning will be going to the road. Your top end should increase a little and also your fuel economy. Let us know how it goes for you ;D |
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Post by sjpassa on Mar 10, 2011 14:21:19 GMT -5
oh I will I'm pretty excited to see the difference on a side note that qt 50 you were riding with my friend has an orange one he got it brand new for 900 bucks at a place in Laurel Maryland his is pretty quick but right now I have him beat in takeoff he has me beat in top speed
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Post by braveheart on Mar 10, 2011 14:38:48 GMT -5
Get Dr Pulley roller/sliders..pay a little more. these are the best...
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Post by sjpassa on Mar 10, 2011 14:50:08 GMT -5
yea but i wanna find the right weight before i start spending double the money on them then i'll upgrade to dr pulley
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Post by rollins244 on Jun 15, 2011 21:28:44 GMT -5
I'm 240lbs. My scooter pulls me 40mph or more all day long and on hills loses all the power. what weights should I get? my scoot is the peace sports bashan 50cc.
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Post by dpcc487 on Jun 22, 2011 21:33:17 GMT -5
Also you wish to do some reading about other ways these scooters are restricted from the factory, washer in the varatior, airbox restrictions, Intake restrictors, or muffler restrictors. Mine had none of these but it's always wise to check... Good luck Do you have any links to sites with that info? |
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Post by ltdhpp on Jul 31, 2011 12:39:28 GMT -5
Lowering my roller weight (from 9 to 4.5) helped me get up hills much better... I don't understand how heavier rollers are going to help this guy at all... Don't heavier rollers hold the RPMs back until you get up to speed? |
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Post by gregw on Jul 31, 2011 13:44:45 GMT -5
If you want to climb hills better, get a stiffer torque spring, it'll help keep your RPM's up while you're decelerating uphill. Lighter rollars help some, but the true answer is torque spring
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Post by astronikki on Sept 9, 2011 15:39:40 GMT -5
Okay, so I have the same problem and I've been reading this thread and agree with Itdhpp. I thought that the heavier they are the more they restrict your RPMs. I'm looking to increase my speed up hill as well but I don't weigh nearly as much as you are talking. I weigh about 120lbs. Any suggestions for the weight of the rollers? Another question, I'm not exactly the only one riding it. The other person does weigh about 170 or so, if I lighter rollers, what effect does it have when that person rides the scooter?
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Post by james03x1 on Oct 2, 2012 2:59:12 GMT -5
your 50cc scooter goes upto 45 MPH that's really amaizing to know cause my 50cc scooter just go hardly 35 MPH . can you give any tip on this problem. |
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You can try tuning the clutch (rollers or sliders, performance variator, clutch, better belt) but, A 72cc BBK is the best bang for the buck. Those hills will be no problem.
