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Post by mountainmoped on Dec 28, 2009 9:21:04 GMT -5
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 28, 2009 17:48:56 GMT -5
Lord help us all of they made the tires AND the air filter!!!! And the reversing transmission
unit definately has me concerned. Bryan, what do you think the replacement cost of the
tranny would be labor included if for some reason IB does not warranty it? And how much
trouble would it be to replace the existing tranny with a go cart tranny. Is that even feasable?
Oh, well,why worry about it at this point with the temps in the high 30s DT and low 20s NT
in the NGA mountains. Too cold for this old man to ride, thats for sure.
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Post by mountainmoped on Dec 28, 2009 18:36:26 GMT -5
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Post by mountainmoped on Dec 28, 2009 18:54:04 GMT -5
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 28, 2009 19:18:24 GMT -5
That is comforting info. At least the whole engine and tranny can be replaced for a reasonable amount plus labor of course. That means that in a worst case scenario I would not have to
scrap the trike. In spite of all the irratating problems we have encountered I still like the 150-8
concept and my trike.
Fancy gear shift on that motorpartsmax replacement motor.
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Post by als01seville on Dec 28, 2009 20:11:04 GMT -5
That would work, Just have to extend the Shift Handle forward and out to come out by the floorboard even with the front of the seat and just have to make a slit in the plastic to be able to move it back to neutral and reverse and fill the slit with a rubber trim and it would look good. This has a neutral position as well. Good price wonder what the horsepower is on them.
Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Dec 28, 2009 20:23:02 GMT -5
Also the Axle in the link you would not want. Its a fixed Axle which means both wheels have power and making turns would not be to cool:) Need an Open Differential which allows the inside wheel to turn less than the outside wheel when turning, like whats on the trikes now.
Alleyoop
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 28, 2009 21:07:28 GMT -5
Alley Oop: The shift setup that you describe would work just fine in the other trikes
but there is no platic up front on the 150-8 so is would have to go where the presend one is.
Might take a bit of engineering but could be done. A fixed axle would not be the best perhaps
but I remember some of my old(now antique) cars had fixed axles------------------Yes, I am
that old!!!! (at least I think they did. Who am I, how did I get here, why am I talking to you,
and who are you? I meet so many nice new people every day!!)
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Post by mountainmoped on Dec 28, 2009 21:52:34 GMT -5
The discontinued Northern Tool unit was a true differential. One of my customers bought one to convert a moped to a trike. He graduated from Georgia Tech and moved back to Ohio so I never knew if he finished the moped.
I don't know what the HP is in the replacement engine. It is for the big 150cc go-kart and a number of different size sprockets are available for it. The price they list is retail--dealer price should be better. Roketa wants $740.. plus shipping for their replacement engine for the trikes.
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 28, 2009 22:08:31 GMT -5
From what I can Tell Roketa is using the same assembly plant as Ice Bear, The products look
the same. At $750.00 plus freight I would just park The Beast and wait til I could find a way to convert it back to a bike!!! 8^)
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Post by als01seville on Dec 28, 2009 23:44:21 GMT -5
Mountainmoped,
What do you mean that the NorthenTool Axle is a True Differential? The Axle that northentool HAD is a fixed differential and can be gotten from other places. The fixed differential is good for Go-Karts but not good for our Trikes it turns both wheels at the same time. The Trikes need the Open Differential so you don't kill yourself making a turn.
Also about the engine, Ice Bear sells the engine for little over $400.00 + $89.00 to ship, I have already talked to them about ordering a new engine about amonth ago. They will be getting the engines in Jan.
Alleyoop
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 29, 2009 6:33:15 GMT -5
I seem to recall that someone had been in touch with Quan concerning the acknowledged
problem with the Ice Bear tranny and was asked 2 questions and told that Quan would get
back to him. This was before Christmass but have heard no more since then. Wonder if IB
plans to do any thing about it.
As Bryan mentioned the motopartsmax gy6 engine is $385.00 retail and that dealers might
get it for less. Also shipping is freight free. If that is the case it sure beats IB's price of $400.00 plus $89.00 freight it can be adapted to the IB trike.
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 29, 2009 7:59:54 GMT -5
Just a thought, guys. Maybe we should move over to the scooter trikes in general thread and
try to see if there is enough interest in trikes to get the moderators to give trikes a seperate
heading. That might be the best place for trike discussion.
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 29, 2009 8:00:18 GMT -5
Just a thought, guys. Maybe we should move over to the scooter trikes in general thread and
try to see if there is enough interest in trikes to get the moderators to give trikes a seperate
heading. That might be the best place for trike discussion.
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Post by mountainmoped on Dec 29, 2009 9:43:10 GMT -5
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 29, 2009 10:28:06 GMT -5
Trixietrike.com offers Tomos trike conversions but is not supplying at the present time due
to supplier issues. They hope to be back in production by this summer. They are a FL.outfir
and I doubt that a Tomos trike could handles the mountains.
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Post by als01seville on Dec 29, 2009 16:58:37 GMT -5
Wolfhound, Yes, we looked into the MOPED trike conversion last year and talked to the guy. He does this part time. Last year he could only put them on the TOMOS SPRINT which costs around $1,000.00 and with the conversion he wanted $2,700.00. But a Moped will not handle any type of hills especially mountains. At the time he could not get the MOPEDS. Right now a lot of dealers have the Tomos Mopeds in stock.
Alleyoop
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Post by mountainmoped on Dec 29, 2009 18:05:10 GMT -5
It is good to know a moped won't handle hills. I guess I'll save my money for for a Can-Am Spyder. I should be able to save enough to buy one by the time I am 90 or 100.
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 29, 2009 20:55:41 GMT -5
Alley Oop. actually the mopeds we are running, mostly Tomos models handle the hills and mountains pretty well. Bear in mind that we run mostly on 2 lane county roads but, other than
my alpine cliff driveway I have not found anything that my Tomos Revival wont handle.
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Post by als01seville on Dec 30, 2009 12:36:40 GMT -5
HI Dawgs, Still trying to find a TALLER 20"-21" DOT approved Street tires to replace the 18x10-10 tires we currently have without having to pay an arm and a leg for them:)
Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Dec 31, 2009 1:13:14 GMT -5
Hi Dawgs, Cannot find anything that will work that is DOT approved on the cheaper side. I will get the same tires we currently have on there now but taller. The ones we have now are actually 18.5x10-10, I will get the 22x10-10 which are actually 21.8x10-10 a difference of 3.3 inches taller than whats on there now. According to Zugzug math i will gain like 17% over whats on there now. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME:) Alleyoop Here are the tires: www.atvtireexpress.com/22x10101.html |
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Post by als01seville on Dec 31, 2009 1:23:10 GMT -5
Hi Dawgs, Question? they are available in medium, and firm rubber compounds. Does anyone know what results between the Medium or Firm Rubber would be. The medium would it give a smoother softer ride and faster wear versus the Firm would be a more harder ride and less wear etc..
Alleyoop
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 31, 2009 8:03:18 GMT -5
Have no idea about compounds. Which would be used for drag racing? At any rate please give us a full rundown on how much they increase speed and what is involved in raising
the fenders. You may have a winner here!!
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Post by als01seville on Dec 31, 2009 12:54:13 GMT -5
Hi Wolfhound, For Drag Racing you want Soft Rubber so that it grips. But for our Trikes it would help with getting a softer smoother ride. Guess I just answered my own question:)
The increase is 3.3 inchs over the current tires we have so thats not bad at all I don't think it will be noticeable having the backend up 1 1/2 inch but it will get definitely get more top end.
As for raising the Fenders I have two thoughts. One is to make them adjustable which would be pretty simple to do just in case you want to put on different size tires later on.
Now there are two ways to make them adjustable:
1. Weld onto the holders a piece of metal with slots so you can raise or lower the whole fenders and Center Cover .
2. Build up a curved piece that will fit over the Axle Tube and center drill the built up piece then put the Fender holder on top of your built up piece, get longer screws and clamp it down. I like the Adjustable method and I will have that done.
Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Jan 30, 2010 23:42:46 GMT -5
Hi Trike Dawgs, Ok good news today, Dwild62 found tires we can use on Ebay. They look almost exactly like the Innova Tires we currently have on there now. Also they are DOT Approved. The amazing thing is that they had 20.50x10-10 and the 22x10-10 sizes. Since I do not want to rebuild the Fenders and Rear Center Cover to accomadate the 22x10-10 tires, I ordered the 20.50x10-10 tires. Dwild62 since he is a Damn Good Fabricator and can build just about anything Dwild62 ordered the 22x10-10 tires. They are being shipped as we speak, I already have a tracking number for mine. To accomadate my 20.50x10-10 I will have to Raise the Fenders but they will fit under the Fender. Dwild62 on the other hand will have to Fabricate new Wider Fenders and shorten the Center cover or build another one. According to the size differences from our current 18x10-10 Tires. The 20.50x10-10 should up the top speed by 8-9 mph. The 22x10-10 Dwild62 bought should up the top speed by 11-12 mph. So the Science Project is close and more results will be coming as soon as Dwild62 and I install the Bigger Tires and give them a whirl. My tires will arrive WED the 3rd, Dwild62 tires will arrive THUR the 4th:) Alleyoop Here is the link to the TIRE SIZE SPEED CALCULATOR you can switch Original entry to the Alernate entry, showing you at what speed each would register matching the speed you entered. www.csgnetwork.com/tireinfo4calc.html |
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Post by WildMan on Jan 31, 2010 0:03:49 GMT -5
OK Dawg's LISTEN UP!! Alley seems to think I'll have fabricate new fenders, for the new tires.. I disagree ;D  , because the stock tire is 18/10-10, the new tire is 22/10-10, both are 10" wide.. Now I could be wrong, but no matter what, this coming Thursday we'll find out, if I am wrong, then I'll just have to build new fenders, we'll see.. If I do end up building fender, I think Aluminum Diamond Plate Fender would look really sweet on these trikes.. David Sr. |
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Post by als01seville on Jan 31, 2010 1:00:47 GMT -5
Dwild62, HAHAHAHA!!! You actually think those tires will fit under the Fenders? NO WAY NO HOW:) First the current tires ARE NOT 10" WIDE I measured them they are 8.86 inches WIDE.
Go and measure them and come back and tell me I am blind:) And the current tires are NOT 18 inches TALL they are 17.4 inches TALL, they alway round up on the sizes. The 22 your getting is really around 21.7.
The Width is the problem, if you look at how much space you currently have by the inside of the tire and the fender its like 1/4 or 3/8 inchs on each side and the tire is only 8.86" wide and you need at least 1/2-3/4 inchs more on each side to fit the new tires. So maybe the thing is to cut off about an inch off each side of the center cover and drill new holes, and also raise the whole thing about 3".
I have measured and measured and NO WAY NO HOW:) Even with mine I have to raise the Fenders but because the tires I orderd are narrower (I HOPE) they may fit without hitting up against the inside of the fender.
Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Jan 31, 2010 1:29:56 GMT -5
Alleyoop YO DUDE!! You made my point.. Our stock tires are 18/10-10, you're right they don't measure 18/10-10, & that my point, so what makes you think the new 22/10-10 tires are going to measure 22/10-10?? They're likely not, & thats the whole point, the width will likely be much less, just like the stock tire.. I'm betting they'll be the same actual width, just taller.. Now like I said, I might be wrong, but my gut doesn't usually lead me wrong.. If I'm wrong I can accept that, because that will give me an excuse to build aluminum diamond plate fenders.. David Sr. |
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Post by als01seville on Jan 31, 2010 1:48:23 GMT -5
Dwild62, "IF" they are 255/60-10 in metric numbers they are 10.04 inches wide. Now that was the width of the 22x10-10(255/60-10) INNOVA TIRES. But since these are not marked as INNOVA then they maybe narrower but i doubt it:)
So PUT YOUR order in for the DIAMOND PLATE ALUMINUM:)
When I get mine Wednesday I will let you know what the Metric Numbers are and Max Load numbers and the Speed rating if they have it on the tires.
Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Jan 31, 2010 2:09:45 GMT -5
Alleyoop
Ya, I hear ya.. They're marked in 2 different standards, neither are actual, that's why I said I could be wrong.. I'm still trying to figure out what they were thinking when they marked the tires the way they did..
No Diamond plate till the last week of February!! Done spent my wad for the month, I'm going to be counting pennies before then..
David Sr.
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, because the stock tire is 18/10-10, the new tire is 22/10-10, both are 10" wide.. Now I could be wrong, but no matter what, this coming Thursday we'll find out, if I am wrong, then I'll just have to build new fenders, we'll see.. If I do end up building fender, I think Aluminum Diamond Plate Fender would look really sweet on these trikes..