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Post by als01seville on Nov 9, 2009 16:34:09 GMT -5
Dwild62, Well today I put in Castrol 10W-40 Full Synthetic, and tried it same thing. Also The Racing CDI arrived and I installed that and same thing. Could it be the timing is off maybe the chain jumped a tooth or something, because it appears to be sluggish getting up to 40mph. Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Nov 9, 2009 17:07:36 GMT -5
Alleyoop Don't think it would have jumped time if its starting good & idling good. But, popping the valve cover off & checking would give a sure answer..
Here's a thought, now I'm not really suggesting you do this, but I'm kinda wondering what affect advancing the timing would have on your problem?? This can be done by ether installing a stepped woodruff flywheel key or by marking & elongating the bolt holes on the pickup.. I know you said you got a race CDI, but that doesn't mean it's really advancing.
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Nov 9, 2009 17:27:22 GMT -5
Dwild62, With cars I know if the timing if off they would pop right off and idle but when stepping on the gas you had no power. Thats why I mentioned it.
Ok what am I looking for when I pop the valve cover off. Are there marks that I should see that have to be lined up and what are the positons of the valves when its timed correctly? Thanks Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Nov 9, 2009 19:26:58 GMT -5
Alleyoop There's 3 holes in the timing chain sprocket & a firing mark & T mark (top dead center) on flywheel.. Turn flywheel clock wise until the T on the flywheel lines up w/ the aluminum casting gusset (but, the T might end up a little to the right of the casting gusset) & the hole on the timing sprocket will point 90 deg to the head & the 2 little holes will line up w/ the top of the head. At top dead center both rocker arms should have just a slight bit of play as well..
There should be a thread floating around for timing pics & instructions
David Sr.
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Post by aileronjack on Nov 9, 2009 19:43:58 GMT -5
Alleyoop: Man I hate you're having the problems you are. Judging from the dialogue in this thread though, I have no doubt you will achieve the success you are in pursuit of. Those of us observing from the outside are learning from the interaction between you and Dwild; and look foward to your final disclosure of the elusive problem.
I have a tracking number and our bike will be delivered this Thursday!!!!!!!!!! Can't wait. What a great early Christmas present. We are both obvioulsy excited and will post pics as soon as we can.
Aileronjack
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Post by WildMan on Nov 9, 2009 19:53:02 GMT -5
Aileronjack What kind of scoot you getting? How many wheels?
David Sr.
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Post by aileronjack on Nov 9, 2009 20:29:39 GMT -5
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Post by als01seville on Nov 9, 2009 21:34:52 GMT -5
Dwild62, Aileronjack's Trike is the ICE BEAR PST150-9. Do not worry about chimeing in Airleronjack, thats the beauty of this forum. Ask questions show and tell, learn stuff and how to fix things and have a lot of fun. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Nov 11, 2009 0:12:29 GMT -5
Dwild62, Did you know you can get a CY6 Head with the Big Valves which would boost HP by about 1 1/2. Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Nov 11, 2009 0:59:22 GMT -5
Alleyoop We have the big valve head.. The small valve head is used on both the 125cc & 150cc.. Man I did a Bone Headed Thing tonight!! I got my air filter today. I installed the air filter, & took the BEAR for a spin, but man, it wouldn't go.. So I proceeded to jet the carb, I started w/ #120 main, this was not good, so I tried #125, seemed like it might, but decided to put the #130 in.. Well, now all of sudden all it would do is idle, hit the throttle it'd quit, then it wouldn't start at all. Well the only thing that I changed was the main jet, so the only thing I could think of was to reverse the changes, so I put the #125 jet back in, got the same out come, so I put the original jet back in.. Well got the same result, so now I knew it wasn't the jets.. So what the heck did I do? OK so now I take carb out, I took it all apart to examine it, I decided to blow through all the passages while I was at it, reassembled & put the #130 main back in.. So now I reinstall carb, still not seeing anything wrong, go to hook up the vacuum & gas hoses.. Well low & behold, what do you suppose I found? I go to hook up the charcoal canister hose, & gas starts pouring out of it.. So what do you suppose I did? Well, lets put it this way, there's a reason why the fuel hose connects to the bottom of carb & not the top of the carb!!! ;D I had connected the gas hose to the carb vent, & charcoal canister hose to the float bowl!!! So all you Dawg's out there, don't try that, it don't work... ;D ;D Well now that I got that taken care of, I tried the #130 main, to rich, put the #125 main back in, will road test tomorrow.. David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Nov 11, 2009 1:19:05 GMT -5
Dwild62, That is FANTASTIC getting your Trike back together!! I bet after you noticed that you had crossed the hoses you probably smirked or laughed at yourself:) Hope your test goes well tomorrow can't wait to hear how that puppy is running now. Alleyoop
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Post by kenb6656 on Nov 11, 2009 11:25:01 GMT -5
I would like to know where the volt meter on other Ice Bear trikes stays. On mine ideling lights off 5/8 to (high idle) 3/4, lights on 3/8, sometimes 1/4 stopped with turn signal on, and 1/2 sometime 5/8 while riding with lights on. When I first got it, I kept having a dead battery, so I put it on a float charger (borrowed from my Kymco) for a couple of days, since then no more dead battery. Well it hit 100 klics (62 miles) yesterday. I received the pink slip, but not the license plate yet. It is registered as a '09 DAI.
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Post by WildMan on Nov 11, 2009 11:40:43 GMT -5
kenb6656 Ya, that sounds about right.. The reason is, is the ICE BEARS are using the same lighting system as on an AC/DC lighting system, but the ICE BEAR is a DC lighting system. So the charging system has to work harder on the ICE BEAR.. I'm thinking the Charging system on the ICE BEARS need to be upgraded, which is a mod I'm considering..
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Nov 11, 2009 11:43:10 GMT -5
Hi kenb6656, at idle my stays in the middle, when I am riding it moves up 1 line above the center. I put on the Battery Tender Jr to make sure the battery is being charged and the battery is over 80% charged. The Battery Tender Jr. turns on and it charges only for about 5 minutes and goes into monitor mode so I know the battery is being charged when I ride it. Alleyoop
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Post by kenb6656 on Nov 11, 2009 11:58:27 GMT -5
Would it behouve me to relpace the clutch, and clutch bell, and variator with say dr. pulley parts. would that get rid of some of the vibrations on take off? I have had the cover off, all seems to working well in there. It just seems to be racing without a lot of speed a lot sooner than my People S250, it also seems to take a higher rpm to get the bike moving. I am also still looking for a good mechanic here in Los Angeles. The one I had used went out of business.
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Post by als01seville on Nov 11, 2009 17:13:22 GMT -5
Hi Kenb6656, The vibration noise your hearing is probably coming from the Fenders banging against the metal holders. I put weather stripping on all the metal fender holder that touches the fiberglass fender and what a difference. Mine does not rattle anymore when idleing or taking off. And yes it will take more rpms to get the bike moving due to the weight, mine weigths 353 lbs and I am 180lbs so thats a lot of weight to get rolling. It does not start to move until around 3000rpms. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Nov 11, 2009 20:19:11 GMT -5
Dwild62, Hey buddy, did you get to test out the Trike today. Or did you have bad weather:) Alleyoop
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Post by summersmoon on Nov 11, 2009 21:02:35 GMT -5
I been out riding on theses last nice days of the year and am not comfortable with the mirrors that came with my trike. Where can I order larger ones?
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Post by WildMan on Nov 11, 2009 22:14:07 GMT -5
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Post by WildMan on Nov 11, 2009 23:17:41 GMT -5
I did some road testing today: - #125 main jet, 51.5mm Boss, 11gr weights, 748-18-28 belt = .300" mark left on 115mm prodigy Variator & 7,500 - 7,640 rpm & 50 - 60 mph..
- #128 main jet, 51.5mm Boss, 11gr weights, 743-20-30 belt = .150" mark left on 115mm prodigy Variator & 6,800 - 7,200 rpm & 45 - 50 mph..
- #128 main jet, 49.5mm Boss, 11gr weights, 748-18-28 belt = .300" mark left on 115mm prodigy Variator & 7,200 - 7,400 rpm & 50 - 55 mph..
I'm not sure these # make much sense to me, I'm thinking about running test 2 & 3 again w/ #125 main jet.
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Post by als01seville on Nov 12, 2009 0:33:26 GMT -5
Dwild62, Are you running with rollers or sliders. The sliders will push out a little further than the rollers and at less rpms. So if your using rollers you could use 11g sliders which should drop you by about 300rpms on #1 and you should still get the same mph or a little more and consist ones. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Nov 12, 2009 1:06:43 GMT -5
Dwild62, Now mine going down a little hill and its not really a hill just sort of a little wave in the road. Going down the rpms start to climb near 7000 and it goes as high as 56mph but its slow getting there and then I have to get off the throttle because the light is coming up. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Nov 12, 2009 23:57:03 GMT -5
Dwild62, would lowering or raising the needle in the diaphram help you since you don't have a Air/Fuel mixture screw, just a thought. Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Nov 13, 2009 0:08:44 GMT -5
Alleyoop Well the needle is for finer adjustment.. But right now I need to get it in the ball park.. I did unseal the idle mixture screw..
Oh, thanks for the email info..
David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Nov 13, 2009 0:17:19 GMT -5
Dwild62, I wrote that before you told us that you DID find the hidden air/fuel mixture GREAT JOB MY MAN!! Hope you get that sucker running to your satisfaction. Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Nov 13, 2009 3:10:08 GMT -5
OK dawg's After a little shut eye, I'll be ready for another test run.. I just completed my 1,000 rpm contra & clutch spring install.. 51.5mm boss, 748-18-28 belt, 11 gr weights, 1,000 rpm contra & clutch springs, #120 main jet, 115mm Prodigy Variator, 38mm Stainless Steel Velocity Stack w/ 44mm 2 Stage Air filter.. David Sr.
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Post by als01seville on Nov 13, 2009 3:43:44 GMT -5
Dwild62, Get Up, Get Up, Can't stand the suspense:) Good luck David Sr. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Nov 13, 2009 12:05:39 GMT -5
Dwild62, GOOD NEWS THIS MORING!!!! YEAAAA!! Like I mentioned earlier in the post Last night I put in the orginal Smaller Variator with 11g rollers. Just came back from my test ride and that sucker is screaming at 7800 RPMS, not much speed but remember I was worried about the RPMS only reaching 6000-6100. So now I have to check out the Prodigy what happened with the Prodigy? The only other thing is did was also chanaged out the filter I had made and put in the orginal one which I had cleaned and also I had to re-adjust the air/fuel mixture. Alleyoop Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Nov 13, 2009 12:17:25 GMT -5
Dwild62, Forgot to mention the CVT area is not hot, could it be due to the very small fins on the Prodigy Variator compared to the larger fins on the OEM Variator Fans?
Could the OEM Variator Fan with the larger fins be used with the Prodigy 115mm Variator? Alleyoop
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Post by WildMan on Nov 13, 2009 12:45:13 GMT -5
Alleyoop I believe it can be..
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