Big 50cc scoots for bigger people......

[Bluefront]

This will be a thread for big people, trying to fit themselves in a 50cc scooter. If you want to add to this thread, please tell us how tall you are, what you weigh, and your inseam (leg length), and please tell if you actually sat on one. Any other info is optional......might be nice to know where to find one, and how much it cost.

First for me.....a Motofino MF 50QT-10D. (4-stroke GY6)



I got to sit on one today at a dealer in St Louis.....it's a bigger scoot than your normal 50cc. Apparently the same frame also comes with a 150cc motor. Has 12" wheels (the longer GY6 engine) and two rear shocks. I fit on it well. 6'4", 230lbs, 32" inseam.

Here's a Photobucket album I found, with a bunch of nice photos. I found one online for $1200 shipped. I'd link to it, but would probably be accused of trying to sell the thing.....anyway, it seems to be a nice scooter for a bigger person. The local dealer wanted about $1750.

Too bad it isn't a 2-stroke, which is what I'm looking for.

Motorino also sells a 2-stroke model called a "Wasp" for about the same price.....but I didn't see one in the flesh. The local dealer denied Motorino makes a 2-stroke (?).

[goldcoast]

It looks like my wildfire wfh50-s2p. I'm 6ft, 200lb, 33" inseam. The dual shocks really made a big difference to me.

[Enviromoto]

Check these out.

www.modcycles.com/vx50.htm

[qwertydude]

It works for this guy so I think most everyone here is ok. What is the maximum weight for a 50cc GY6?

[Bluefront]

^^^^^This size thing can be a serious issue, and I'm not talking about a grossly over-weight moron trying to ride any 2-wheeler. How much weight a particular scooter can safely carry is a separate issue, for the most part......as compared to if a big/tall person can assume a normal seating position without his knees binding up the handlebars.

You can easily look at a bunch of pictures of a scooter, and buy the thing over the internet, have it shipped in a box......then assemble it and find you simply don't fit the thing. What then?

To be perfectly safe with this issue....you at least need to physically sit on one, or have a similar-sized big/tall person (whom you trust) do so, and report about it. That's the reason for the first post.....I'm big/tall and I fit on that Motofino model. I've sat on many other scooters that I couldn't safely ride at all.

That Wildfire wfh50-s2p sure looks like a good candidate for a tall person, as does that Biccio VX-50. I did try to sit on a Biccio DLX-50......no way. My knees were jammed against the handlebars. But all the photos you see can be deceiving.....so be careful when ordering anything sight-unseen.

The search goes on......



The Biccio VX50



The Widfire WFH50-S2P

Both these last two candidates, as well as the first photo of the Motofino, look to be very similar, as far as the seating position/knee clearances are concerned. And all three have two rear shocks, and the slightly longer frame.

[Bluefront]

Take a look at a side view of these different Biccio 50s......LINK

The view/angle is the same on all the scooters......notice the ground clearance on the DLX50, compared to the clearance on the VX50. I couldn't sit on the DLX50 at all.

["Big Guy"]

Red Streak has the M-80... and I'm sure you can find a lot of drop shippers that have a similar model to it. I'm just over 6', 280, with a 31" inseam and I can ride this all day.

Red Streak's website is a little outdated and shows an old version of the scooter, but if you go to my inventory site you can see recent pictures of it.

It has 13" wheels, does an indicated 40mph and seems very tight and firm as it rides. Granted, I only have about 8 miles total on a few different ones, but all of them seem to be really nice. Our customers seem to really like them a lot and we have yet to have the first warranty claim on them - we've been selling them for six months now.

Out of all the 50s that have come through the shop, if I were in the market and had to pick one, it would be the M-80. The only downfall would be the seat height. It's around 32" I would guess and it's even a stretch for me, so shorter riders would be a bit uncomfortable with it.


-Rich

[Bluefront]

Thanks.....this is the first one that may fit big/tall people that doesn't come with twin rear shocks. Like most of these scoots, info is hard to come by....some places say 2-stroke, some say 4-stroke. (?) Looks good though...



Redstreak M-80

[gsfromct]

I'm 6' 0", 260 pounds and 32" inseam.
I own an M-80 and a Motorino Supremo (Wasp).
I love the 13" wheels and the disk brakes on front and back.
Oh, and both of mine are two strokies.
Valley Scooters has the Supremo and Wasp in 4 stroke or 2 stroke.

Here is a stock pic of my blue M-80.

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[gsfromct]

Here is the CL garage pic of my Red Supremo/Wasp, which I bought used this fall.
Both the M-80 and the Supremo are made by Jonway, and both have the factory model of YY50QT-28A.
I feel uncomfortable riding a 10" wheel scoot after getting used to my scoots.

The gold scoot in the background was a 4 stroke.

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[Bluefront]

Here's another one that was recommended by a member here.....



A Benelli X50.

It does have a tall floor-board, like the Biccio DLX-50 (that didn't fit me), but the picture shows it with a taller set of normal-type handlebars, much like a motor-cycle. So maybe a tall person will actually fit on it. And it's a 2-stroke.

Nice review on this one and more pics

[90GTVert]

I'm 6ft3in tall and around 280lbs with a 34" inseam. I own 2 Vento Triton 2 strokes with 11,000+ miles on them combined. The stock Triton would carry my big self to over 40MPH cruising with it's highway gears. Great 50cc class scoots. The leg room is good for me. The Tritons have a cutout in the front that will let you stretch your legs farther out if you wish. Nice for long rides so you can change positions to stay comfortable. I've rode them pretty hard even at my weight and haven't had any issues related to my size. It has clones as well and is now available in 4T too, but I suggest the 2T. ;D



If you are motivated and really want a comfy scoot, you can do what I did. Strip it to the frame and cut the floorboard out. Weld on new foot pegs and you can have all the leg room you want. Not practical for most, but very fun to ride and the most comfortable scoot I've been on.



Here's a friends Roketa Cayman MC-27. It's a 150 but they make 50s in the same body style. It appears to be mostly the same frame as the Triton and a very similar layout. Another good choice IMO.

[gsfromct]

That Benelli X50 looks to me like a Keeway Matrix with minor changes.
The Keeway Matrix, and Strada RX8 are good for big riders.
The RX8 is an identical copy of the Vento Triton.

That is funny 90GTVert, I was just going to mention Tritons here this morning, but you beat me to it and did a much better job of introducing them.

There are a good amount of options for taller riders.
This one: www.greenearthscooters.com/detail.cfm?id=788
would be a steal if it were a 2-stroke. But for a 4 banger, it is still a great price.

[gsfromct]

After looking at the Benelli vx50 review with better pictures, I can see that is one of a kind. That is one really nice looking scoot.
Too bad it only has 10" rims. It would have been nicer on 12's.

[Bluefront]

^^^^^That Benelli might actually come with 12" wheels....seems to me I saw one with 12" listed in the specs. One problem we all face.....the specs listed may not be 100% accurate, if you're only going by a web page somewhere. Even pictures can be misleading.....depending on the angle, perspective, etc. I like to see a side view, the picture taken with the camera about 2' off the ground.....makes comparisons easier.

Ok...the Benelli X50i is the one with 12" wheels.....Check this one out.....that's a killer.

[goldcoast]

I have to admit my wildfire has been a good scoot. In one year I have 15k mi. It took a while working out issues, small to some large to others. The SD forum has a wealth of information at an enthusiasts disposal. The members of this forum are inventive and logical with their trouble shooting processes. Sorry I got a little off topic. Peace Out and Scoot On!

[Bluefront]

Here's the Keeway Matrix.



There's a dealer for Keeway about 30 miles from here.....might go take a look at these scoots. This looks similar to some of these other scoots. It is a 2-stroke.

[Bluefront]

Keep in mind there's nothing 100% accurate when only looking at pictures....but here's what might concern you if you have long legs and want to sit comfortably on a 50cc.



That's a Motorino Supremo from Valley Scooters...their "Wasp" version of this is a two-stroke. I haven't seen either of these in person, so I don't know if it'll fit me. It does look similar to the Biccio DLX-50 which didn't fit.

Red line.....from the normal seating position to the handle-bars(or the plastic covering that turns). If you have to scoot backwards on the seat to fit your knees in there, you won't feel comfortable.....because the dip in the seat will always be pulling you forward, and you may not be able to reach the bars easily, unless you have long arms also. (I don't). This is the critical measurement for me.....if it's not long enough, I don't fit.

Green line....the ground clearance. From a side view like this, some of these scoots appear to have a taller floor-board.....which pushes your knees upward, perhaps hitting the bars. This is one reason I apparently don't fit on a Baccio DLX50.

Purple line.....from the seat to the ground. This is the only measurement listed in most spec sheets. People with long legs probably won't be affected by this measurement at all. I could easily plant both my feet on the ground on every scooter I've ever sat on, no matter the ground clearance. (32" inseam)

Yellow line....from a side view this will be a few inches longer on a scoot with a long engine. From what I can see the scoots with the longer engines, usually have more clearance from the seat to the bars (the red line). This is not always the case however.

Finally.....looking at pictures, and trying to guess if you'll fit the thing, is problematic. I don't like to guess, so that's why I like to sit on one first, before buying. YMMV

[bigmonkeyoncoconut]

6'-2", 225 Lbs.. when I sit my butt is on the second part of the seat but I am comfy..The bike specs says it can handle 400Lbs plus (on some sites..hehehe) so I am good for now!!

When I can get someone to snap a photo of me on the ZIP ill post, But warning... There is a reason I am called BIGMONKEYONCOCONUT!!!

This is my ride I snapped it yesterday, Jonway VIP Future Champion 49cc YY50qt-21 $950.00, One shock.

I hit 45 WITHOUT full throttle, I didnt do it on purpose..It is new so I am riding it slow till i can break it in but I was so comfy on it I was speeeding in a 30 mile road.. (shhhh...Norwich cops might be listening)

[gsfromct]

Feb 4, 2010 14:50:19 GMT -5 Bluefront said:

^^^^^That Benelli might actually come with 12" wheels....seems to me I saw one with 12" listed in the specs. One problem we all face.....the specs listed may not be 100% accurate, if you're only going by a web page somewhere. Even pictures can be misleading.....depending on the angle, perspective, etc. I like to see a side view, the picture taken with the camera about 2' off the ground.....makes comparisons easier.

Ok...the Benelli X50i is the one with 12" wheels.....Check this one out.....that's a killer.

Wow, you linked to what I would call my local scooter shop.
Scootersplusct is about 15 miles away from me.
I might have to pay John a visit and see if he has one of these X50i scoots in stock.
When I was there in November, I would have remembered this scoot out on the floor. Instead he had a couple of RX8's, a Keeway Matrix, a couple of retros and one Benelli with bigger wheels (in the 16" range I would guess).

[Bluefront]

Here's my own Eagle Sporty 50.......which looks a lot like that last photo of bigmonkey's scoot.





This one is almost identical to my Roketa MC-10-50.....with a few differences. The seat on the Eagle has a slightly bigger dip in it, which forces me a little further forward. And I had to remove the brake-handle covers first thing......they really obstructed my legs when turning.

It's a close fit for me on both my scoots......just barely fit. The Roketa has a flatter seat, and I can sit further back (about 1-2 inches). That does make a difference.

[Bluefront]

Wow....this morning I was browsing the local Craig's list and found a listing for the exact Motofino I saw Monday at the local dealer(first post in this thread). He wanted about $1750 for it five days ago. Today he has it listed for about $950.

Strange....I gave him my phone # when I was in the shop. I'm still looking for a 2-stroke of a similar size.....for around $900.

[gsfromct]

1750.00 to 950.00? Wow, that is quite a drop!

goldcoast, 15,000 miles in one year? Holy WOW.

[Bluefront]

^^^^When I was in that shop Monday looking at the thing, the salesman said the price had already been reduced by $180, the delivery and setup charges, because it had 280 miles on the odometer.....and wouldn't go lower.

Five days later the price drops $800.....go figure.

[Bluefront]

I found more photos of the Benelli X50i......Take a look at this slide-show. I want one.....price is steep though.

[scosgt]

Benelli M50
16" wheels
FLAT floorboards
2 stroke

[tortoise]

Feb 2, 2010 16:23:38 GMT -5 Bluefront said:

Too bad it isn't a 2-stroke, which is what I'm looking for.

JCL-MP50G . . NOT moped legal in most states (exceeds speed stipulation).

Why enhance rider stress and risk the potential consequences of "gaming the system" with an illegal 50cc when 150's are presently available for around $700 (red) to $800?

[Bluefront]

AFAIC.....People want 50cc scooters for a bunch of reasons, and it's entirely their own business. Why try to sell a 150 to someone who obviously wants a 50? In this state a 50cc bike is a moped, and needs no plates. The maximum speed on the streets for these things is 30mph, with some leeway. So if you hold it under 35mph.....you don't get harassed. What's the problem with that?



JCL MP50G

Another big frame 50cc. This one is a 2-stroke, with twin rear shocks. Seems to be around $1200 on-line. Good chance this one will fit big people......it looks much like some of these other scoots in this thread.

More pictures here.

[gsfromct]

Feb 7, 2010 13:16:58 GMT -5 tortoise said:

Feb 2, 2010 16:23:38 GMT -5 Bluefront said:

Too bad it isn't a 2-stroke, which is what I'm looking for.

JCL-MP50G . . NOT moped legal in most states (exceeds speed stipulation).

Why enhance rider stress and risk the potential consequences of "gaming the system" with an illegal 50cc when 150's are presently available for around $700 (red) to $800?

In Connecticut, I can think of 5 reasons.
1. No registration needed on anything under 50 cc
2. No motorcycle license needed to drive - only a car drivers license (which I do have and is valid).
3. No insurance required
4. No annual property Tax (This is a pretty big reason in CT).
5. No speed restriction in CT

People talk about "The freedom of the open road" on a motorcycle. It looks to me like that "freedom" is not free at all.

[Bluefront]

I started a different thread about the Motorino Wasp. More photos and info here.



This one looks to be a good fit for big/tall people....even has an extended floor-board. Now if it had dual rear shocks and different tires, I'd say it's almost perfect.