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Post by karl55 on Jul 4, 2008 15:40:34 GMT -5
I would like to add some true facts to scootermikes statement. I had this bike for more than a week and was waiting for the paper work to come when I first maked a call to mike after waiting three days to get someone to answer the phone that he needed a vin number before he could send out the paper work. I don't know where he gets off making statements that he has to feed his three familys I believe we also have familys and I want this scooter so I can drive to work and also save money. So I would feel much better if Mike would stop crying and take care of the problems I am having with this scooter. One other thing his emails were he is saying that he will take the scooter back are very will written as he always comes back and states reasons that it will not be shipped. Sol I made him and offer I will take the scooter to a motorcycle shop in are local town. I've already talked to the mechanics and they stated that they would look the scooter over and fix the problems and let me know if they were my fault or manufactorier defects and would fix them. I sent mike and email if they are manufactorier defects that he cover cost. Now if the forks can't be fixed then he takes the scooter back at his total cost. If any of the problems with this scooter are my fault then I will pay the shop myself. I think this is as fair as anyone can get can't wait to hear how mike will cry about this proposal. Either way I will have a motorcycle shop statement along with all the emails between mike and myself. I believe I will have a good case against scootertronics. I keep telling mike I will stay off the site and he keeps sending messages on this site to try and make me look bad. Mike if you stop then I will stop.. Now I don't understand Greg, did you get the noise checked by a motorcycle shop stating that there is no problem...Because you just let scootertronics off the hook if your front forks fail and you end up in the hospital no scootertronics or the manufactor will be liable. You have the same problem with the noise in the forks, but it's OK,,, I will just keep on riding,,, that just don't sound right...Ride safe that's how I feel about any two wheel vehicle... I hope I can now say bye to you guys and enjoy your scooters...
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Post by jimk on Jul 4, 2008 15:54:08 GMT -5
wow.. Poor language skills here... Lots of wrong words.. misspellings.. but that aside, I really think you are going to find that any motorcycle in your local town is going to basically call it chinese crap, and refuse to work on it, and or possibly tell you that everything on it is inferior and defective, and that wont truly help your cause.. You need to find a shop locally that services chinese made scooters and is familiar with the particulars of this bike...
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Post by karl55 on Jul 4, 2008 17:52:16 GMT -5
New break through remember I paid $2699.99 not $2300.00 as stated the cost of a vog 260 earlier in this post. Mike stated that he would cover $75.00 of the mechanics cost I sent him another email requesting Half the mechanics cost. Mike also agreed on new front fork tubes and gauges I have no problem with that. Now he still claims that the PDI would have taken care of the problems I don't think so. I believe the problems are manufactor defects. I am going to send the scooter to the shop next week, and have them review and give me a statement if the defects are manufactor or my fault. I hope that will take care of any problems with the PDI that mike keeps talking about. If the mechanic states that the problems are my fault then I will not take anything from mike except the MCO and back away. I did the PDI and that went just fine except the leaks in the coolant and yes that could be consider PDI but the coolant gauge does not work that is not PDI but is a defect. I am waiting for mike to email me if he excepts the 50/50 cost to fix this scooter. I hope he accepts and then I am through and agreed to leave the site. If not then I will get the statement from the shop that my problems are manufactor defects and will take it to discover card. Will keep you guys updated or if you are tired of me trying to get my scooter running correctly let me know and I will be gone for sure...
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Post by 12string on Jul 4, 2008 19:41:05 GMT -5
I know this is way off topic, but since the VOG is a copy of the Burgman 400 in body only. What if you installed a set of forks from a Burgman? I know that it wold cost some $ but I bet it would solve the noise problem and I thought that what the original question was. Wasn't that the original intent of the Forum, Fix the "Cheapo scoots"?  |
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Post by rerun2 on Jul 4, 2008 19:51:56 GMT -5
Methinks there be a conspiracy afoot! ;d
OK, Mike highly recommends to Karl55 that scootertronics prep this scooter, I have no doubt that happened, he has been doing that for quite some time and his web site makes it very obvious this is their preferred manner of doing business.
Karl55 refuses the service, obvious the $99 is just exorbitant and he, Karl55 advise that he can handle the prep work himself.
Scootertronics has a scooter drop shipped to Karl55, this is not scootertronics way of doing business. I assume there is a reason for this, but in all respects, it has little bearing on things. I make the assumption that drop ship was requested by the customer. I know Michael just does not sell that way.
The scooter is delivered in pristine condition to karl55, who obvious from his postings has NO IDEA what he is doing in any regard to the mechanical aspects of the scooter. But he refused the recommend dealer prep. and now complains of things that more than likely would have been remedied if he had paid for the prep.
Now, karl55 is offering a real deal. he will be satisfied if Scootertronics will pick up an unknown amount of repairs performed by a shop he knows nothing of. That is about the most absurd thing I have ever seen in this forum... why would he even think of doing this? karl55 was to cheap to have the bike prepared, and now wants someone else to do it at scootertronics expense.
Good luck karl55, you have a pretty good case? Right! You cannot be that foolish. Your actions have put you where you are, not scootertronics. You have no case with anyone, BBB, courts or the state attorney general. You my friend, turned this sale into a 'AS IS' transaction all by yourself.
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Post by A.B.Normal on Jul 4, 2008 20:28:59 GMT -5
PEOPLE!!!! I know I'm not a mod, but please try not to diss one another here no matter how badly you believe they deserve it. This forum has a really great rep of being FREINDLY and I hate to see some of the passive aggressive and almost straight out aggressive stuff where this thread has been. To the two that are involved, you will garner much more respect and cooperation from the other without the digs. To the others of us that have inserted ourselves into this, chill a bit and let's stay civil. If I can do it, so can you.  Don't make me stop the frakking car. |
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Post by phaze on Jul 5, 2008 7:09:37 GMT -5
my mom never had to stop the car that woman could drive and beat me and my older brother at speed thats scary.
boys we have to fight nice.
karl take advantage of his offer as it is more than you would get from me. scooter mike you should ban him from ever speaking to you again. he chose the delivery not you buyer beware.
scootering is not for everybody so maybe you need a pedal bike.
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Post by flufykat on Jul 5, 2008 13:33:28 GMT -5
we could have done if we saw it first which Karl DID NOT WANT A PDI AT ALL. I called him the day I shipped it to make sure NO I CAN DO IT MYSELF. i think thats pretty silly of karl - the whole reason I bought from scootertronics was because they state on their website they do a good PDI before they send it. |
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Post by Greg on Jul 5, 2008 14:05:58 GMT -5
Karl i think the best thing for you to do is just return the vog like Micheal has offered and go buy a burgman or a yamaha
Greg
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Post by karl55 on Jul 6, 2008 8:52:38 GMT -5
So ScooterMike is a really good guy, and going to refund my money. Just return the scooter that would be $2699.00 but,,,Let see according to scootermike's last email It will cost me about $600.00 + that includes shipping, and a 30% cost to return the scooter that is and estimate, because the defects that need fix scootermike is going to charge me extra. The extra charge is to fix the defective front fork, gas and heater gauges and the radiator leak. So what I am going to do next I have talked with a motorcycle shop and they agreed to look over the problems and let me know what it will take to fix them. Great at least someone is willing to try and fix my scooter instead of crying about feeding their family. Now other good news Scootermike is willing to pay up to $75.00 to help with the cost to fix the scooter, and send a new set of front forks and gauges. The big question is would scooterMike agreed to do the above if I would not have started this post? My last comment is that I had this scooter over a week before I was able to contact ScooterMike by phone and find out I had to send him the vin number ( ScooterMike did not pass that information to me) by then it was the fourth of July Weekend and I never got upset about not receiving it when the scooter arrived. Why would I not get upset,,, is because the scooter has defects, and till I get them fixed I am not going to put the scooter in my name incase I do have to take the lost $600.00 plus to return it to scootermike. I hope by taking the scooter to my local motorcycle shop and then find out if the scooter is factory defective or I broke the gauges, front fork an radiator then hopfully I wil be able to ride the scooter to work and save money and feed my family, and both Scootermike and myself will come out with a satisfactory agreement between us..
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Post by imagesinthewind on Jul 6, 2008 14:25:21 GMT -5
Moral of the Story?
Choose the $99 PDI if your dealer offers it.
Less headaches. . .more scoot time.
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Post by brettbolt on Jul 6, 2008 14:58:59 GMT -5
Here's the bottom line wsy1962, you don't like China scoots, and that's fine! But do it somewhere else, because all of us here do, and again, the reason this board is here is to help people, not criticize them. So since you hate them so much, why not just move on to a Honda board? I happen to agree with wsy1962. After having ridden several motorcycles and 2 Chineese scooters, I would never, ever even think about buying a Chinese scooter. There are many people considering a Chinese scooter that come to this forum to for advice and opinions. So, 'Big Guy', why do you tell wsy1962 to move to a Honda board? He is simply stating his opinion. Don't you think that people reading this should hear both sides, or are you part of the Chinese dealer/distributor network? I'm not saying that you are, but you sound like it. Anyway, the first Chinese scooter that I tried was a Lance Vintage 150. The wheels were mis-aligned and the scooter swayed from side to side going down the road. The dealer tried it and said he didn't notice anything wrong. I've driven many 2 wheeled vehicles in my life (I'm 50) and this is not 'normal'. The second one was a Lance Milan 150 that had an idle that went up and down constantly before starting out. It would rev up and then slow down, to the point of nearly dying. Again, the dealer said this was 'normal'. These were both new vehicles. What we need are more people like wsy1962 who demand better quality. If we Americans as consumers continue to settle for poor quality, then we will continue to get it forever. And what a joke these 'online dealers' are. Crying about feeding their families. I hope everyone considering ordering a scooter online reads this thread. If they are still OK with what happened to karl55, then fine -- roll the dice. The recent gas price skyrocket is a tremendous windfall for scooter dealers. They should invest their earnings in some decent customer service. Brett |
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Post by jimk on Jul 6, 2008 15:42:03 GMT -5
Here's the bottom line wsy1962, you don't like China scoots, and that's fine! But do it somewhere else, because all of us here do, and again, the reason this board is here is to help people, not criticize them. So since you hate them so much, why not just move on to a Honda board? I happen to agree with wsy1962. After having ridden several motorcycles and 2 Chineese scooters, I would never, ever even think about buying a Chinese scooter. There are many people considering a Chinese scooter that come to this forum to for advice and opinions. So, 'Big Guy', why do you tell wsy1962 to move to a Honda board? He is simply stating his opinion. Don't you think that people reading this should hear both sides, or are you part of the Chinese dealer/distributor network? I'm not saying that you are, but you sound like it. Anyway, the first Chinese scooter that I tried was a Lance Vintage 150. The wheels were mis-aligned and the scooter swayed from side to side going down the road. The dealer tried it and said he didn't notice anything wrong. I've driven many 2 wheeled vehicles in my life (I'm 50) and this is not 'normal'. The second one was a Lance Milan 150 that had an idle that went up and down constantly before starting out. It would rev up and then slow down, to the point of nearly dying. Again, the dealer said this was 'normal'. These were both new vehicles What we need is more people like wsy1962 who demand better quality. If we Americans as consumers continue to settle for poor quality, then we will continue to get it forever. Brett Wow, you had a stupid dealer... Seriously.. Those are not only incredibly wrong, From everything I have seen and heard about the Lance, that is EXTREMELY rare.. It obviously was a shady dealer selling items that were wrecked and or poorly assembled.. You should know that that isn't normal, and Big guy isn't saying both sides shouldn't be heard, but you and wsy1962 are.. you are saying that all chinese bikes are junk and should never be purchased.. Obviously you aren't open to hearing the other side. And the funny thing is, You never owned one, only saw two of them at a dealer location. Interesting.. I saw a Sunl 250 at a dealer location that ran terrible and leaked coolant.. Not exactly a great indication of a good bike.. Turned out the dealer was selling returned wrecked goods after putting new plastic on them. And trying to sell them as new. He is out of business now, and the chinese scooter sellers here locally that are honest and decent, are selling scooters faster than they can get them. A Roketa scooter or Sunl is a good scooter as long as it's setup fine and maintaned right.. If you aren't up to the challenge than that's fine. Buy a Honda or something, but be ready to pay the shop to fix the stuff that goes wrong with them. Because guess what, they break down too... They aren't invincible.. |
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Post by brettbolt on Jul 6, 2008 16:07:38 GMT -5
Wow, you had a stupid dealer... Seriously.. Those are not only incredibly wrong, From everything I have seen and heard about the Lance, that is EXTREMELY rare.. It obviously was a shady dealer selling items that were wrecked and or poorly assembled.. I don't think they were stupid, but instead had an incompetent mechanic that was covering himself with BS. You should know that that isn't normal, and Big guy isn't saying both sides shouldn't be heard, but you and wsy1962 are.. you are saying that all chinese bikes are junk and should never be purchased.. Obviously you aren't open to hearing the other side. Jim, show me where either wsy1962 or I said that both sides shouldn't be heard? You won't find it -- you are trying to put words in my mouth. And again, I didn't even use the word 'junk' in my post. I think you need reading glasses. Yes, I have read many reports of satisfied scooter owners. But there are many unhappy ones too. |
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Post by brettbolt on Jul 6, 2008 18:03:35 GMT -5
Here's the bottom line wsy1962, you don't like China scoots, and that's fine! But do it somewhere else, because all of us here do, and again, the reason this board is here is to help people, not criticize them. So since you hate them so much, why not just move on to a Honda board? wys1962 IS trying to help people. He is critical of Chinese scooters and so am I. And you tell him to move to a Honda board. How can you claim to be objective while you tell those who disagree to go away? My point is that people considering a scooter purchase should do lots of research before buying. They need to weigh the good and the bad and make up their own minds and live with the consequence (or not if the cheap P.O.S. fork falls off at 50 MPH and kills them). Anyway, we are not criticizing people, we are criticizing the product and the poor service/support. |
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Post by jimk on Jul 6, 2008 18:17:59 GMT -5
You just basically said the same thing again, I am not putting words in your mouth, just simplifying what you are saying.. You just now again said they are junk.. You just said "if the cheap pos forks fall off" and then said "criticizing the product and the poor service/support".. Now, if that isn't the same as saying they're junk, I dunno, I guess I need more than reading glasses, I need to give back my degree in Language skills. Anyway, Let me now say, Noone on this board is saying that these are perfect. But this forum is a group of people who are enthusiasts of all scooters, and especially the chinese ones.. We are saying don't diss our scoots and tell people NEVER BUY ONE.. And spread false truths like "the pos forks will fall off" the forks aren't that low quality... They do have to meet certain guidelines to be DOT approved.. They are no more unsafe than a Honda or Yamaha.. What makes them unsafe is unqualified people trying to save money and not fixing them right... Some of the people out there driving these modified crotch rockets and garage choppers are even scarier. I would NEVER buy a used Helix over a new China scoot because usually, when you buy used, unless you know who your buying from and how it was serviced, your buying someone else's problem bike.. Used bikes are more of a crap shoot than buying a new Roketa, and that is the truth....
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Post by jimk on Jul 6, 2008 18:41:53 GMT -5
oh, and for the record, wsy1962 did say numerous times that chinese scooters are junk.. Which is what is uncalled for. THat is like back in the 70's when everyone was saying Honda and Toyota was junk.. was it true then? is it true now? hmm.. Understand something, The only people who have these horrible experiences is when they jump in thinking they have everything under control, then find out they are unprepared, and are afraid to take responsibility... That is what is happening here. I just bought from MrScooter.com why? because they have the best price going.. I could have gone ahead and spent a few hundred more and bought the same bike from a more service oriented dealer, but I need the couple hundred more, and I am an experienced mechanic, not a guy who thinks he knows something about motors because he once changed the oil in his toyota camry when he was younger... I have worked on cars and bikes since 1977.. I know that american made cars back in the 50's and 60's needed more maintenance than foreign cars today.. And they were simpler designed motors, much like the Honda bikes of today... I know that Honda and Yamaha motorcycles need lots of routine maintenance and are far from trouble free.. I also know that Harley's have more breakdowns and need more repair than any other brand of bike, well, except for Triumph.. hehe... Anyway, The point is, there are no Problem free get on and ride and never worry about a thing bikes... The only problem with Chinese bikes, is that there isn't any importer doing what the Jap brands do, bringing them in, changing all the fluids, going over the bike to make sure everything is connected tight and working properly, and then selling it. And that is well known, and has been explained more than a few times here. So, if someone comes here for advice and then buys a chinese scooter, and then complains because it isn't trouble free out of the box, and didn't do a proper PDI on it? well, then shame on them... YOU ARE THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR PDI.. PDI doesn't mean looking at it and saying yup it's a scooter, it means Removing panels, checking electrical connections, checking hoses, replacing hoses that need it. Tightening bolts and nuts, replacing the fluids(because they are the fluids that just came across the ocean on a boat and now are contaminted all to he**).. This is PDI, if you only added gas and fired it up, and now it acts weird, well, aint that too bad. If you drive it, and you didn't check the bolts, and the front end had some loose bolts from shipping, and now the forks shift, and twist, guess what, that isn't poor quality, that's your fault... You didn't check them. Allot can happen when shipping a scooter across the ocean... And then on a truck to a warehouse, then moved around the warehouse by forklift operators hired from mexico who are here illegally and only make 5.25 an hour, and then tossed on a truck and hauled halfway across the country to your driveway.. Think about it... This is common sense, if you aren't redy to put that much into a scooter, DON'T BUY CHINESE... or at thevery least buy from a Brick and Mortar dealer who is experienced with bikes, and has been around a while..many of the jap cycle dealers are starting to carry chinese bikes.. why? because they know a good thing when they see it.. and are willing to do what they already do with the jap bikes... Ask any dealer, they thoroughly inspect every bike when they get it.. why? because they HAVE TO in order to sell a quality product... If they don't they end up with a lawsuit, and a bunch of hassle...
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Post by brettbolt on Jul 6, 2008 19:00:00 GMT -5
... They are no more unsafe than a Honda or Yamaha.. Saying it doesn't make it so. Can you prove that a Chinese scooter is just as safe as a Japanese one? Do you have accident statistics? Also, I asked you earlier to show me where I said that I don't want to hear both sides. Obviously its not there or you would have found it by now. 'Big Guy' has the only post here where he tells someone to go away. Both 150 cc scooters that I drove took a long time to get up to 50 MPH and blend in with the normal traffic flow. (I'm not overweight). I realize that this is a trade off that you have to make in order to get 75 MPG, but it also makes you a sitting duck for larger/faster vehicles. At least with my motorcycle, I can get out and stay out of the way of other vehicles. If someone held a gun to my head and demanded I get a scooter, it would be 250 cc or higher and I would buy it locally from a reputable dealer with well trained service personnel. You're not going to find that online. |
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Post by scooterollie on Jul 6, 2008 19:05:19 GMT -5
OK folks, we have said just about all that needs to be said on the topic and things are getting a little testy. While we welcome free exchange, this is not the place to fight a battle with a dealer. That should be done in person or in a live phone conversation. Points have been made by both sides now just deal with it.
Also, "brettbolt", please don't be a one man crusade on this forum to protect us all from Chinese made scoots. We have been down that road here before. No need to repeat that trip!! All owners on this forum are open and upfront about their vehicles. I believe we do a better job here than any other forum alerting folks to things they need to know before purchasing a Chinese scoot. They obviously aren't for everyone but for those in the know or those wanting to learn, they can be a great buy from the right dealer - and that even includes drop shippers!
Let's get back to the real purpose of Scootdawg.
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Post by rani on Jul 6, 2008 19:13:46 GMT -5
And what a joke these 'online dealers' are. Crying about feeding their families. I hope everyone considering ordering a scooter online reads this thread. If they are still OK with what happened to karl55, then fine -- roll the dice. Brett For the record, Scootertronics is a B&M dealer which happens to also sell on line. I've been to the shop - picked up my scoot in person. To compare Scootertronics with an E-bay seller really is unfair. I didn't want a purely internet seller, thus I went with Scootertronics. I've seen the shop and know there's somewhere to take it if there's a problem. Since they prepped it I also have a year long warranty on both parts and labor. That's unheard of for most online dealers. Although I've had a few very minor issues with them, overall Scootertronics has been good to me so far. That being said, I also agree that anyone that buys one of these scooters has to expect a few issues. Everyone knows they are not Hondas, Suzukis or Vespas. Just looking at the price will tell you that. My little Jonway is serving me well so far, although I have had a few issues - a broken fuel filter and a few loose screws. I expected that and have dealt with it, even though I know very little about motorcycles (or any kind of engine for that matter. Thank God DH used to be a bit of a gear-head.) That's all I have to say on the issue. In my mind, just the fact that Mike is willing to take the bike back at all is pretty amazing. That wouldn't happen with many other dealers of Chinese bikes. |
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Post by rerun2 on Jul 6, 2008 20:17:47 GMT -5
brettbolt and others, This forum is the most objective site I have ever been a part of. It is here to help ANYONE with any scooter they have trouble with regardless of the make. If you read through these many posts and threads, you will find that every day someone comes here to ask advice about buying a scooter. More often than not, the potential buyer is questioned as to what they would like to accomplish with the scooter, how it will be used, and HOW MECHANICALLY adept they are. People are NEVER 'steered' toward buying 'Chinese junk'. Just the opposite is the truth of this forum, if a person is even questionable as to their mechanic skills, they are advised to buy from a source that can do service work, but to still expect to have a learning experience with their scooter if it is to be a model (all Chinese bikes) that has a history of needing more attention than the big name bikes. Prospective buyers are always made aware of the quality level of scooters of all makes, you can find post after post of actual 'menus' of quality scooters, objectively put together by caring people and freely given to any that even remotely might need to have that knowledge, buyers are constantly referred to the higher end bikes, used top level bikes, the Korean, European and those from Taiwan. To think that some how people here are in some vast accord to promote the sale of Chinese junk is just plain silly and demonstrates colossal ignorance of this forum and the many fine souls that populate it. You and every one else are free to express their thoughts here, but please respect the effort here and the people that are members. We are not here to wage war of any sort. |
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Post by brettbolt3 on Jul 7, 2008 1:11:40 GMT -5
... You and every one else are free to express their thoughts here, but please respect the effort here and the people that are members. .. You say I am free to express my thoughts here, but I was banned for expressing my opinion. If I criticized Hondas here, that would be OK. About a week ago I donated $10 to this site because I thought it was a great place. karl55 needs help, not criticism of his 'language skills' like jimkdaadtman did earlier in this thread. True, he doesn't use a spell checker, but that does not diminish his need for help. Anyway, I hope he gets a fair resolution to his problem. Unless I get banned again, I will check back here to see if he gets justice. Brett |
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Post by brettbolt3 on Jul 7, 2008 3:07:44 GMT -5
OK folks, we have said just about all that needs to be said on the topic and things are getting a little testy. While we welcome free exchange, this is not the place to fight a battle with a dealer. That should be done in person or in a live phone conversation. Points have been made by both sides now just deal with it. This is a place where you can get a dealer's attention. I had a problem with an online dealer and I could not reach him by phone or email for about a week. I believe that posting here helped get my refund faster. Also, "brettbolt", please don't be a one man crusade on this forum to protect us all from Chinese made scoots. Fair enough. But please don't ban people for stating their opinions or sharing their online experiences. Let's get back to the real purpose of Scootdawg. Clicking ads and giving/taking 'Scooby Doo Points' a.k.a. Dawg Bones? ;D |
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Post by jimk on Jul 7, 2008 6:11:48 GMT -5
... You and every one else are free to express their thoughts here, but please respect the effort here and the people that are members. .. You say I am free to express my thoughts here, but I was banned for expressing my opinion. If I criticized Hondas here, that would be OK. About a week ago I donated $10 to this site because I thought it was a great place. karl55 needs help, not criticism of his 'language skills' like jimkdaadtman did earlier in this thread. True, he doesn't use a spell checker, but that does not diminish his need for help. Anyway, I hope he gets a fair resolution to his problem. Unless I get banned again, I will check back here to see if he gets justice. Brett karl55 doesn't need help.. he wants everyone here to rally behind him and tell him that nothing is his fault and that the dealer should refund all of his money and get him out of this mess he got himself into... karl doesn't want to accept responsibility for his actions. Like many people today. I get so tired of hearing this, that is why I have not been too sympathetic. If I get a bike that isn't what I ordered, that is the dealer's fault. If there are defective gauges, the dealer needs to send me replacements. I understand I will have to install them.There is no way he can install them, and in no way should he pay some shop that he has no idea who they are to install them. If I don't properly set up the bike, I set myself up for a problem.. It is that simple. He stated that he had it inder control, he knew what he was doing.. He read the scootdawg posts, and he was ready to do it himself. Then, he found out he wasn't ready, and tried to blame the seller for his error in judgement. I am trying to belittle anyone, I just think it's sad to see a seller get drug through the mud, and then see people like you come on and defend him and try to confuse the issue and turn it into an anti-chinese issue. THis has nothing to do with the quality of a product, and all to do with a buyer getting in over his head, and not accepting responsibility.. |
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Post by ron22 on Jul 7, 2008 9:05:26 GMT -5
This weekend my sister asked me about Chinese scooters for her 18 year old son. She wanted to know what kind of warranty was on it. Were do you take it to get fixed. What happens if something breaks.
Since I know my nephew I said DO NOT BUY ONE. This kid has no mechanical skills at all. Change the oil would be a challenge. He would beat the crap out of it and complain that it is just cheap Chinese junk.
Moral of the story
Some people are just not meant to buy Chinese scooters.
Yes they are not as "good" as others but you get what you pay for. And for most people here we can work around the problems and get a descent running scooter at a good price.
As for the two people involved I hope they can work out something they can both live with.
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Post by scooterollie on Jul 7, 2008 9:28:09 GMT -5
brettbolt,
Based on your posts and and how others also perceived them, you sure didn't sound like you thought this was such a great site! We have tons of great folks here who are really interested in scoots and riding as well as helping out each other. To suggest that the purpose of this site is "...selling Chinese scooters." is an affront to the membership of Scootdawg. Anyone who has spent enough time on this forum knows that is just plain bunk. My compensation for what I do here comes only from the interest in scoots and cycles, and the joy I receive from sharing my experiences and knowledge with others of similar interest. No country, the U.S., Japan, Taiwan or S. Korea, produces something like what I now have for the price I can afford. It is obvious that there is a VERY LARGE segment of the population in the U.S. that has been ignored when it comes to affordable product.
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Post by pressman1966 on Jul 7, 2008 10:21:18 GMT -5
karl55, I am truly sorry you are unhappy with your scooter. What else do you drive? If it is any car, please check for problems with it as wel. Or if you are so unhappy with Chinnese products, get rid of them all, you will find you have nearly nothing left. I had to get that off my chest. I personally own a 2006 SunL 250, a 2005 Victory Kingpin, and a 1986 Honda Magna V45. All but but SunL require alot of maintaince and work to keep them running and looking good. Ignore the little problems on your VoG and enjoy it for what it is, a quick get around town/commuter scooter and drive it like you stold it. You would enjoy it more knowing that if it get wreaked or blows up you had your fun with it. I am a B&M dealer and sell these, I explain that not everything is perfect and about the fork clunk when over bumpy roads. They except that and are going away knowing that I sent them out on a safe scooter.
You should also be aware that alot of states, California is one of them, there is no cooling off period for Motorcycle purchases. Concider yourself lucky that he is willing to refund your money. Lemon Laws can apply but X number of attempts for fix the problem but me made first. Since you have only put 5 miles on your scooter, I can not see how you came upon all these unhappy issuses. 500 miles, then I can see a problem, I am tring to get a set of forks to look this problem over, but from what a few of us have determined so fare is the wrong fork springs compressing wrong or wrong size for the weight of the front end. If we can get a spare set we want to check and test this out.
So please, you have a problem, Scootertronic's offered a refund, why keep beating a dead horse.
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Post by mafunsalow on Jul 7, 2008 10:27:22 GMT -5
Just return the scooter that would be $2699.00 but,,,Let see according to scootermike's last email It will cost me about $600.00 + that includes shipping, and a 30% cost to return the scooter that is and estimate, because the defects that need fix scootermike is going to charge me extra. Just an idea.. why not just send back the forks and guages you deem "defective" and have scootermike replace these parts. Then all it would cost is shipping costs of parts. And everybody can feed their families, and everybody wins. Brett I hope you do stick around and you are entitled to your opinion, just as is wsy1962, my only problem with it is the tone of the post. Wsy1962' first post irked me for belittling people for what they have bought instead of trying to help them. I am not the most mechanically inclined person in the world.I try to help when I can and seek help when I need it. And this board is by far the best for seeking help, as there are genuinely nice imforative people willing to share their knowledge. And all we can do to repay them is throw them a bone. But coming here and saying "you shouldn't have bought cheap chinese" does not help solve the problem at hand. I can agree to disagree on alot, but not to that attitude. If you search you will find vespa's a quality name in scoots and you will see people who just bought and have problems too. And if I could help them I would. If someone is making a homemade I would be more than willing to help. Not just say " oh your cheap and it's not safe". |
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Post by brettbolt3 on Jul 7, 2008 13:43:44 GMT -5
brettbolt, Based on your posts and and how others also perceived them, you sure didn't sound like you thought this was such a great site! We have tons of great folks here who are really interested in scoots and riding as well as helping out each other. To suggest that the purpose of this site is "...selling Chinese scooters." is an affront to the membership of Scootdawg. ... In my post above I said I thought (past tense) this was a great site. That was until I read this thread and saw how some of you treat a guy who got a scooter with a defective front fork, a leaking radiator, and non-working gauges. Some tried to help him, but Jim says 'wow, poor language skills'. This doesnt seem like, as you suggest, people 'helping out each other'. karl55 has a problem with his scooter and he is getting personal attacks on his mechanical abilities and language skills. I hope he comes back here to report a solution. |
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Post by sdg on Jul 7, 2008 15:33:19 GMT -5
Wow,
This thread has really turned into somethin, maybe we should start over.
Karl55,
When, how and are these noises ocurring? I think and maybe I am wrong but i thought you had mentioned you live back off a dirt road?
I can not say anything about that as i am not on your road but did you take it out on a smoother road? With reagrds to Gauges, have you takin anything apart to see if some wires have or become loose/unclipped, mine had a few, such as the temp sensor and the fan clip.
I also found a few bolts and clips that were loose when i did my pdi. This fork thing has me intrigued a bit, i dont understand why there are some with no issues, some with minor or little noise and then some with alot of noise.
Seems odd? its got to be something with the oil I would think due to not everyone has the same issues, so I am just guessing here but if it was a design flaw then most likely we all should have the same problem to a certain level.
I guess I am trying to help as much as i can, I have not drivin my vog on a dirt road or a bumpy one as i am fearfull of those little 13" tires. Now theres something else that can be an issue, tire pressue could amplify the noise, i can tell you that when i received my bike the tire pressue was at 60 psi! (holy crap), so i did let some air out so maybe thats why i dont have the louder experiance?
I would be interested to know just ow many Vogs have been sold/produced that have this issue?
Mine for one is minimal, always looking to make it better though.
sdg
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