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Post by leshassell on Jun 3, 2008 1:06:54 GMT -5
I've had my ITA 150 since the first part of May but I haven't been able to ride it yet (still waiting for the MSO). Mine arrived packaged slightly different in that I only had to pull it out of the crate and install the mirrors, derby covers, trunk and battery. I primed the carb and it started right up after a few kicks. I've gone over it and tightened everything but haven't run it any since I'd like to get it registered and break it in properly. I hope it runs as well as it looks. One thing I'm not sure of is the headlight; mine stays on anytime the scooter is running. Anyone know if there's there a way to turn it off or is it supposed to stay on all the time?
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Post by semperfi on Jun 3, 2008 1:20:58 GMT -5
Les, Headlights on always, is not only a standard feature, it's wise to run highbeams during the day. It is a safety requirement (in most states) that you don't want to mess with. Anything that makes you more visible to other vehicles is a good thing. Keep a log of your experience and happy trails
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Post by leshassell on Jun 3, 2008 23:05:27 GMT -5
Thats what I figured but it just seemed odd that the light switch had three positions yet only two did anything. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a gremlin that I needed to track down while waiting for my paperwork. Thanks
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Post by dtwscooter on Jun 6, 2008 13:45:56 GMT -5
Just wanted to add my ride experience this morning with my XingYue 150. I took it to work, 25 miles one way(!) where most of the route is 40mph parkway. Except the last few miles. It exits in an upward cloverleaf to a major city street labled for 50mph but in reality people travel between 60 - 65. Detroit I took the cloverleaf accelerating from 30 - 40mph then really gunned it while merging with traffic at 60mph. It merged smoothly and the sound was just so smooth, almost electric, I wanted to keep riding instead of going to office ;D I need to give it second oil change this weekend(550miles) and I'm talking with another forum member about helping me to upjet like wpod did.
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Post by jspringator on Jun 6, 2008 16:06:25 GMT -5
Is there a down side to rejetting as previously described?
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Post by dtwscooter on Jun 10, 2008 16:51:43 GMT -5
wpod, I hope you don't mind putting my updates on your thread.
Did the second oil change at 630miles. Put in the Shell Rotella 15w-40. It took hair shy of 1 qt to fill. Took it out for for a 50mile ride, beautiful day after the stormish weekend here in Michigan. I had head wind(30mph) gusts one way, top speed was 60mph(indicated). On the way back top speed was 70mph(indicated). I have to say the chassis is far calmer than what the engine could put out. I felt very stable even following a semi in the wind gusts.
There is plan to upjet both the main and pilot this weekend to recommended 120/40. I will see how this affects the top speeds.
Next scheduled maintenance will be at 1000miles where I plan to switch to synthetic oil.
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Post by wpod on Jun 10, 2008 20:48:35 GMT -5
HI! DTW, by all means! if this thread chugs on providing useful information then that's the the best thing for everyone. other than jetting, I haven't had occasion to do much to the ITA, mostly because I got it for the GF (who's still plenty happy:)) and because i'm having too much fun on the MP3! mike P.S. HypnoToad commands you to believe all you read (new avatar )
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Post by glasuan on Jun 11, 2008 9:39:11 GMT -5
OK guys, a few updates for yall.
Jetting wise, on a stock scooter, I used 120 main and 40 pilot. the only thing I added was an open air filter. It seems like they are both a bit too rich, as I am getting backfires on deceleration. I am switching them for 115/38 when they come in.
I attempted to install the exhaust i bought off ebay. WORD OF WARNING
Because of the way our scooter is setup, a standard aftermarket exhaust will not fit. The pipe from the exhaust manifold fits fine, but there is not space to install the muffler without some custom work done the exhaust, as it sits too close to the wheel. It simply won't fit.
Acceleration wise, with the 120 main, and 40 Pilot is great. I can get up to an indicated 60 very easily now, however, the scooter seems to have a problem going over that speed, where it used to go 65. I think this is related to the jetting being too rich.
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Post by dtwscooter on Jun 11, 2008 22:11:48 GMT -5
Ok, just to prove not everything is perfect on this scooter, I have an update with issue and a resolution.
Went for a 30mile ride today and towards the end I heard the 'weed whacker' noise. Suspected exhaust leaking and confirmed it when I came back. One of the exhaust nut was missing, the 12mm hex with looong body. Had to improvise with 13mm regular nut with short body, this time with thread loc. Went for a ride and no more 'weed wacker' noise. I had to remove the bottom body panel with total of 12 screws being removed. But the center kick stand cross beam really got in the way of tightening the nuts.
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Post by leshassell on Jun 12, 2008 1:19:14 GMT -5
How much of a pain is it to remove the belly pan? I was doing some prep this evening and dropped a nut down there; I just didn't feel like messing with it tonight.
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Post by glasuan on Jun 12, 2008 9:04:37 GMT -5
Its not required to tighten the bolts. You can acess everything by putting the scoot on the center stand, and removing the panel that houses the battery. Use an open ended wrench, and you tighten everything up.
Trust me, I only had 1 exhaust nut as well, I added a second one yesterday.
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Post by leshassell on Jun 12, 2008 13:05:29 GMT -5
No, I dropped a nut down into the belly pan so I need to fish it out or its going to be rattling around down there. Thats why I was wondering about removing the belly pan. Thanks
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Post by dtwscooter on Jun 12, 2008 14:09:41 GMT -5
Its not required to tighten the bolts. You can acess everything by putting the scoot on the center stand, and removing the panel that houses the battery. Use an open ended wrench, and you tighten everything up. Trust me, I only had 1 exhaust nut as well, I added a second one yesterday. You know I looked when I had the battery cover out but for life of me I couldn't see the exhaust studs. Perhaps it's accessible but not visible? Next time I will use your method. Thanks. How is your fuel economy btw?
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Post by jspringator on Jun 12, 2008 20:36:41 GMT -5
How many body panels am I going to have to remove to blue lock-tite the exhaust bolts and change out the hoses? Difficult?
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Post by glasuan on Jun 13, 2008 9:35:32 GMT -5
I seem to be getting about 60-80 mpg. I am really not sure of the exact mpg yet, but I will keep you guys updated.
And dtwscooter, that is correct, you cannot see them, but you can feel them. I would recommend putting your scoot on its center stand. You can put your hand under it to feel where they are, and that will make it obvious how to acess them from the battery compartment.
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Post by isawhim on Jun 16, 2008 6:09:05 GMT -5
To remove the belly/bottom... Remove the two front Left/Right wide-head screws that join the front mud-guard, and the top foot-rest. Remove the chrome decoration plates under the passenger foot-rests. Remove the screws under the chrome decoration plates. Slide the bottom tray back, towards the exhaust, to release it from the slide-lock-tabs, and drop it down. For the exhaust nut access, you may have to fight the lower frame brace-bar. A universal bent-angle socket adaptor may help. While the bottom is off, drill a tiny 1/4 inch hole near the front, so water can drip out. Collected water may prematurely rust the lower "L" brace near the front. (Just a precaution, not a full requirement for operation.) I can't tell you how-many times I dropped the stupid glove-box screws and mounts down there, while working on my speaker install. I am up to 1000 miles on mine, and all is well. (I had the exhaust problem also. Still have an annoying oil-vapor issue from the crank-case vent, that I have not done anything about. It collects oil-vapor in the air-filter, dripping onto the CVT, at WOT. Also had a problem with the air-filter reinforcement screen shield tabs. They popped off, and got sucked into the carb. Tiny melted plastic rings, OMG!) Have not done any carb-jetting, but thinking about it... 110 ad 36 possibly... since I run high-octane without problems. (Requires 90+, I run 92-94.) Not sure what mine has for jet sizes, but I don't have the problems that you talk about. Likes AMS-Oil, 20W50 (Race Motorcycle, High-Heat Oil). Hates 10W40 and lower (Any brand) Pumps out 10A +, but wastes most of it. Battery only sees 5A - 6A, just enough to charge. Looking at using a super-cap bank, to store some charge before the regulator, to deliver to my radio, neons, fan, and other accessories. (Also going to add normal capacitors to the lights.) I get enough power to everything, but the battery is always shy of a full charge. (Might have something to do with the 50cc regulator being used. Most 50cc's only have a 4Amp battery, charged at 5Amps. This has a 7Amp battery, which needs 8Amps to charge.) Oh, the cooling fan I installed, works great! Keeps my seat cozy-cool, and stops all the exhaust and forced hot air, from building in the engine compartment. Turned the seat into a full stereo system. The MP3 player connection is just above my high-beams. Fits my "Creative Zen" player quite nicely, and also an "I-Pod Shuffle, Clip". Neons in the nose and tail, illuminate the wheels and engine, clearly visible from the front/back/sides. A bright toxic goblin green glow. The fan quietly hums away under my feet, behind the fresh-air vent leading to the engine. (Knocked out a few fins for better air-flow through the plastic.) My "Battery-Tender" plug was hard-wired to the battery, and is mounted right next to the ignition coil, for a stealth setup, with easy access. The side-kickstand was removed, since it is a driving hazard, and parking hazard. I don't know why they still put those things on scooters! Still don't have anything to put in the glove-box. Grrr, still have two holes cut-out, for the speakers, which are now in the seat, with the amplifier. I might throw an emergency kit in there. (Flashlight, adjustable wrench, standard sockets, multi-screwdriver, leatherman, and a pair of gloves.) I still get people stopping me, asking, "Where did you get that scooter? It looks cooler than the other ones I always see driving around!" I love it! Sad though... My top speed of 75 MPH, turned out to be 73 MPH, which has been reduced to 68 MPH... Guess the belt has finally taken shape, and the engine is completely broken in. (My speedo was off by 2 miles. I still have not adjusted the needle. My fuel was also off by 1/4 of a tank! Said it was almost Empty, then ran out of gas! Should have had about 1/4 of a tank left, on Empty. I thought the needle was a little high, when Full. Hehe, it was 1/4 over the Full mark... Duh!) I am still waiting for something to break, or bend, or fall off... But I am not holding my breath... I am catching it, while I fly past cars and other scooterists! Oh, and I have done three, "Neon green lit, burnouts", since I have had this. (That might explain why the belt wore-in so fast!) Looked cool, all that smoke, glowing green, rolling off the tire! I couldn't do that with my 50cc... not without the use of oil and bleach, and not without parking against a wall. I should "YouTube", my "Scooter Mods". Well, as they call them in Europe, "Tuned Scooter", or in Japan, "Stage Scoot". (Tuning has nothing to do with the way the engine runs, it is how they say that a scooter or car or bike has been adjusted beyond stock.) This is where I am headed... Scooter Lowriders, hydraulic or air lifted! More scoots that I want mine to look like... (Though I am happy with the way it looks now... Still HOT!) ScooterCommunity, Custom Scooters
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Post by glasuan on Jun 16, 2008 13:49:37 GMT -5
You did burnouts with this scooter? How the heck is that possible?
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Post by dtwscooter on Jun 16, 2008 21:43:36 GMT -5
isawhim, I'm game; so how did you do the burnouts? And more importantly, tell us about the cooling fan mod. Link please.
While I'm here a quick update on my Xngyue 150: Just turned over 1025 miles on odometer today! Aim to do the third oil change this weekend. No issues to report. I did take the advice of the Great Dawgs and removed the foam filter on the air intake of CVT. I can't be sure but the scooter now seems peppier after long haul. Perhaps keeping the belt cooler help keep it gripping the pulleys better. I kept the foam but may keep it off. BTW, the intake is very different than what others have. It seems more 'engineered'. See isawhim's weblink for the photo.
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Post by mcmama on Jun 16, 2008 21:49:22 GMT -5
I have a Xingyue ITA 150 and when I start it up it has that same weed wacker sound. It goes away once I drive it around the block once or twice and it warms up. Do you think I could have a loose nut as well? I pulled the underneath panel and looked, but the nuts are recessed and I didn't have the right tool to access them. Do they have to be tightened to a certain torque? Thanks, MCMAMA
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Post by dtwscooter on Jun 16, 2008 22:21:52 GMT -5
mcmama, I would highly recommend you recheck your exhaust nuts. Like mentioned above it is best accessed from the topside with battery body panel off. It's blind operation but with 12mm wrench you can tighten it. Otherwise you have to completely remove the bottom body panel and 12 screws. Even then there isn't good access to the nuts. You will need u-joint with socket to get at it. If I were you I would work on it one at a time and insert a lock washer between the nut(with long body) and the engine so you don't have to retighten again. I lost one of them on mine so substituted a 13mm nyloc with same thread dimension.
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Post by bapman007 on Jun 22, 2008 7:56:20 GMT -5
Hi,
I am new to scooters. I was deciding b/w a light motorcycle or a scooter and I am leaning to a scooter b/c of lax parking regulations. Then I ran across this ITA 150 and I think I like scooters even more.
Since you guys seem to be experts, please advise should i buy it? is it the best scooter for the money? and Where is the best place to order it?
I am mechanically inclined and have no problems fixing my car, vacuum cleaner, etc. But I have never worked on motorcycles or scooters? anything I should know before ordering?
Thanks
bapman007.
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Post by dtwscooter on Jun 22, 2008 21:37:52 GMT -5
bapman, Let me say upfront that I own the scooter so I'm am somewhat biased ;D Having said that, I too was considering a small motorcycle or a scooter. I purchased the Xingyue ITA 150 among all the scooters for several reasons. The biggest reason is the 16inch wheels and all the benefits that went with it - better ride and better handling. I had a chance to compare to my friends Honda Elite and I couldn't wait to get back to my scooter.
For $1200 I paid back in April, I consider it very good buy in scooters. Recently the place I bought it raised price to $1600 so I can not give you good recommendation on purchase location. However if you should get one, I don't think you will be regretting it. Good luck.
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Post by mcmama on Jun 22, 2008 22:29:55 GMT -5
Hi, Thanks for the reply about the exhaust nuts. I did try to access it from below. There seems to be a plastic cover around it, but I can feel the long screws. What I cant feel is the nut. I did try and move the exhaust pipe, and it seems very tight. I'm sure I'm looking at the right thing - just can't see how to get a socket in there. Can you post a picture? Thanks! MCMAMA
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Post by mcmama on Jun 22, 2008 22:36:04 GMT -5
By The Way, I've dropped several screws into the bottom. Got em out with a telescoping screwdriver that has a magnet on the end. Just slipped it through the opening by the kickstand and fished it out! MCMAMA
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Post by isawhim on Jun 22, 2008 23:28:58 GMT -5
The screws are long... So are the nuts... If you cant feel them, they might not be there. It will feel secure, because it has a three-point mounted exhaust, and a thick "O" ring in the exhaust. If you hear the noise, you are slightly loose, then as it heats, the ring and exhaust expands... (You might hear it less then.) Here is my goofy burnout on youtube... I need a better camera! www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa19g6HL_ioI will post the fan-mod soon. (Like I said, it is not glamorous, but functional. I am still looking for a good cover, to hide the actual intake.) Just hit 1000 miles, a few days ago. To do a burnout... (Use extreme caution, aim your bike towards the grass, in-case you loose it, or loose control. Do not aim it towards people or a car, or a hard surface. I suggest that you practice parked firmly against a wall, and stop short of a long burnout. The grip on the larger tires is strong. Even stronger when the tire begins to melt. Warning, this will strip-off a good bit of life from your tires!) You hold your front break tight, and rear, for a moment. With both breaks on, roll the throttle sharply, and return to a strong front-break grip. (Your front break and throttle are the same hand. Slightly advanced move there. Holding the rear-break helps reduce jump.) Once you have a firm grip on the front-break again, you can lean slightly forward, to help get it going. That is not needed, but it helps. Once it starts, it will spin faster and faster, until the wheel is hot, and slick. (The bike will chatter and hop a bit... Don't release grip on the front break! Keep your feet firmly planted, and your knees firmly against the seat-hump sides.) Expect the bike to try to escape, and be ready to break the rear tire, in that event. You want to end a burnout by riding, immediately after you finish. Stones will stick to your hot tire. So will pine-needles and rubbish, and ants! You want your tire to cool around, not parked, with a flat-side. (Staying parked will give you a flatter spot, where the hot tire forms to the road, and cools faster than the rest of the tire, if you don't ride it to cool it.) My little burnout laid a 50 foot stretch of melted rubber from the burnout. On the return, it left a 30 foot "Rolling" skid-mark. (A rolling skid is just a skid without a locked tire.) BTW, you can remove the air-box, and put a better filter on the end. Just keep the turbo-baffle that comes off the carb. (The valve-pressure line may need to be set into a capture canister, which then goes to the intake. It seems to spit a lot of oil-mist under high load. Might just be mine. Might just need a mist-shield in the valve-cover. I have not popped that to see if it needs one.)
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Post by semperfi on Jun 24, 2008 1:18:10 GMT -5
Isawhim, great video with excellent soundtrack!
Just ordered a Sunon Mag-Lev fan and a thermostat, just in time for Summer on the West coast!
Keep up the great mods! Ka-Ching, one Karma for you!
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Post by dtwscooter on Jun 24, 2008 12:10:22 GMT -5
semperfi, Will you be posting your PDI experience with your scooter? I recall you've found 7 issues, non-too serious.
glausan, Have you switched back the jets? How did it work out for you? How much did the jets affect your fuel economy?
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Post by isawhim on Jun 24, 2008 15:18:28 GMT -5
Ok, here is the fan-mod video... www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jVixEf27Q4Not quite a tutorial... (Good views inside and out, and explanation on what it does, and how it works.) The "Details" on the right hand side, have more info about the fan. That is a "Power supply fan", not a "CPU fan" or a "Case fan". Those other fans are not strong enough, or reliable. They do not pump-out enough CFM or enough pressure. A blower fan would be more ideal, but you would need hoses to route the air.
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Post by leshassell on Jun 25, 2008 14:44:02 GMT -5
For any of you guys that have gotten your Title, what is listed as your make & model? Is it listed as an ITA 150, Xingyue, or what? The VIN tag on my scooter says the manufacturer is Zhejiang Xingyue Vehicle Co., LTD and the model is ITA XY1507T but ATVDiscounter keeps sending me certificates of origin that say the manufacturer is Shanghai Shenke Motorcycle Co., LTD and the model is a VOG VG-150. I've told them about the difference and they say they are sending me another certificate (the third) but they also say it doesn't matter and I should just use the certificate they originally sent me. Is that legal?
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Post by "Big Guy" on Jun 25, 2008 15:46:15 GMT -5
Yes, it is 'legal' or more appropriately, acceptable by the DMV if the VIN number matches. None of my scoots except the Honda have ever matched the MCOs. For example, the il Bello I registered said Flyscooters Il Bello on the MCO and when the DMV put it into the computer, it said Baron Retro. My insurance also says Baron Retro. When I received the title from the state, it also said Baron Retro.
The MCO is just an origin document. As long as it's signed or stamped and the VIN number matches, that's all you need. In some states, like here for example, they don't even check the VIN number. But make sure yours matches, or else you might have problems down the road with the resale.
-Rich
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