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Post by michaeljackson on Feb 18, 2013 1:17:10 GMT -5
me being an idiot let some idiot try and install a 100cc bigbore on my scooter who didn't know what they were doing. After the install the scooter had a tough time turning over but would turn over and then start up. Later it only turns over 1 time and get's stuck. When you leave it alone for a few minutes it will turn over one time again and then get stuck again. Is so frustrating.. i bought a bigger more powerful battery. Same result. Ground looks good. Heard it may be the starting gear where the belt is but I don't know.
P.s my kickstart is broken. No surprise. Most of those things break every few kicks.
I thought it may be the cold weather sense it's snowing hear in Virginia now and the engine has 3000 mile old 10w40 in it. Could that be causing this issue?.
Hoping for some insight. Please help, I'm about to buy a new scooter. I Need transportation. Thanks
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Post by edfr on Feb 18, 2013 1:32:01 GMT -5
Take the plug out and see if the battery you got spins it over easy. Have you tried jumping it a car(NOT RUNNING)? Change the oil 10w30 thinner see if that also helps. Lefty
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Post by michaeljackson on Feb 18, 2013 1:46:21 GMT -5
It is 25 degrees out Shouldn't my oil be sludge right now?. Also what do you mean by trying and removign the plug?. the oil plug?. Also thanks. I could try jumping it with a car. Good idea.
Any other ideas?.
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Post by edfr on Feb 18, 2013 1:58:40 GMT -5
It is 25 degrees out Shouldn't my oil be sludge right now?. Also what do you mean by trying and removign the plug?. the oil plug?. Also thanks. I could try jumping it with a car. Good idea. Any other ideas?. No, take the SPARK PLUG out and crank it that will tell if it is COMPRESSION that is causing it to spin once and stopping. If it still does it with the SPARK PLUG out then something is not kosher and binding. Lefty
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Post by michaeljackson on Feb 18, 2013 2:25:17 GMT -5
Oh ok. Will do. the wind chill is freezing out. gonan wait till the morning. Will let you know.
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Post by edfr on Feb 18, 2013 2:59:36 GMT -5
Cool, it is freezing here as well(HAHA). Talk out you tomorrow if you can get at it. Lefty
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Post by PCBGY6 on Feb 18, 2013 12:01:27 GMT -5
If your compression is to high you will need another base gasket to lower it. That will make a lot easier to start off the battery.
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Post by michaeljackson on Feb 18, 2013 13:52:24 GMT -5
But despite high compression it was used to start before. now it is a no go.
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Post by michaeljackson on Feb 18, 2013 14:12:05 GMT -5
I had taken the spark plug out and the engine there is no difference. Also it looks like it won't turn over at all anymore starting today. It just clicks.
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Post by michaeljackson on Feb 18, 2013 14:27:01 GMT -5
Could the chain on the engine be to tight. Had been looking tointo this and saw there was a chain pensioner?.
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Post by tvnacman on Feb 18, 2013 14:42:35 GMT -5
Not to spund like a wise guy , have you checked the oil .
John
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Post by edfr on Feb 18, 2013 14:42:33 GMT -5
Your battery is either dead bad solenoid bad starter or the motor is siezed.
Chain TIGHT, is this a moped with a chain or a Trike or is this a SCOOTER with a CVT? Lefty
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Post by michaeljackson on Feb 18, 2013 16:29:13 GMT -5
I meant chain in the engine and this is a taotao 2012 scooter
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Post by michaeljackson on Feb 18, 2013 16:53:28 GMT -5
I just took off my side crank case thing where the kick start was and I can turn the motor over by hand with a wrench pretty easily. I also took out the starter gear and and you can still hear the stater motor turning but it's acting like it's barely any power from the battery. Very strange. Wonder how this could be..
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Post by michaeljackson on Feb 18, 2013 16:54:43 GMT -5
Yes I checked the oil. It's fine. Funny the starter would go bad after the BB install. What the heck.
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Post by sharks06lly on Feb 18, 2013 16:57:48 GMT -5
try charging the battery or jumping it with a jump box or vehicle with the engine off. right now it sounds like you have weakened the battery with trying to crank it alot
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Post by michaeljackson on Feb 18, 2013 17:53:54 GMT -5
I already bought a brand new battery but Am charguing it again right now.
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Post by sharks06lly on Feb 18, 2013 18:19:34 GMT -5
even a brand new battery can run out the same day if used to much without a chance to recover or a charging system feeding to it. believe me i was dumb enough to do it one day lol
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Post by michaeljackson on Feb 18, 2013 23:19:13 GMT -5
Well i tried to fix my kick start. Got it only partially working. But realized t that the little gear where that spins the big gear isnt popping back into place after failing to start it. Could that be the problem?. And also tried a much bigger battery and the starter motor is just acting like the battery is super low even tho I charged it for 2 hours.
I got the spring tighten good on the kick start but the kick start jams hard with and that to isn't returning.
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Post by owlkev on Feb 19, 2013 3:01:04 GMT -5
i had all the exact same problems after i installed a 47mm bbk on my baotian 49qt12,stock battery would,nt crank her over,so used kick start i stripped the splines on 2 kickstart levers and have replaced the actual shaft twice the kickstart kept jamming and i found out that it was the circlip that holds the shaft in place kept dislodging and the return spring kept jumping out of place because of overuse(check the teeth on the kickstart ratchet inside the cover),stripped her down again and put 2 base gaskets on,but it made it even worse(tighter)had problems trying to get the cam back on as it was so tight so took it off.electric throw out gear kept sticking out apparently because the starter was,nt spinning fast enough to retract it...i bought a mbtz10s battery(motobatt) 12v 8.6ah with 190 cca and problem solved...lesson i,ve leant? use the electric start all the time if possible coz the kickstarts are sh!t and for emergency ...good luck
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Post by dadzilla on Feb 19, 2013 8:41:36 GMT -5
Is so frustrating.. i bought a bigger more powerful battery. Same result. Ground looks good. Heard it may be the starting gear where the belt is but I don't know. I could be the starter is marginal, on it's way out but while your in there, replace the battery leads and starter leads with a heavier wire. Most of these scooters have the most minimal wire on them the factory could get away with.
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Post by owlkev on Feb 19, 2013 13:12:12 GMT -5
try running a jump lead direct from the battery to the power connection on the starter motor,if it cranks ok then you know its a problem inbetween the battery and starter motor
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Post by michaeljackson on Feb 19, 2013 19:44:47 GMT -5
I did what you said owlkev and got the same result. This would mean that it's a bad starer motor right?.
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Post by savy09 on Feb 19, 2013 20:47:17 GMT -5
Your kickstart gear is popping out of the CVT cover housing, causing the gears not to engage with the starter bendix, engage gears, carefully re-insert the kickstart end in cover before closing Cvt cover. If the kickstart is engaged it will crank the engine. Then check for bad starter.
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Post by michaeljackson on Feb 19, 2013 22:40:45 GMT -5
Makes sense but I don't have a kick start. Never could get it fixed.
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Post by edfr on Feb 19, 2013 22:56:32 GMT -5
Michael, Get your buddy or anybody, you need a second pair of hands and do like in this VIDEO: This will tell if the whole problem is the BENDIX. So take your CVT cover off and test out the BENDIX. Hold the Bendix in place nice and level and crank if over the BENDIX should come out and engage the Fan Pulley teeth to turn the crank. And don't pimp out this was a MOTOR DOING it for her son. I helped them get her sons scoot running and just listen to it purr. Lefty
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Post by michaeljackson on Feb 20, 2013 1:23:47 GMT -5
Its got so bad that the electric motor itself will barely work without any torque on it period and as soon as you put the bendix in the motor won't even be able to spin it.The electric starters looks to be completely shot. Ultra week. The compression on the big bore when I first got it installed was so High it probably broke it i'm think. A high torque starter I think should fix the problem. Sucks tho. ile be out a scooter for about 3 to 4 days.
I'm going to order a high torque starter tomorrow or try and find one locally. What do you think lefty?
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Post by millsc on Feb 20, 2013 1:33:14 GMT -5
make sure its the starter and not a ground or bendix issue, been there done all this, my 52mm piston big bore kit starts right up with the e-start, my roketa with a cheap 50mm piston kit would not, it was a ground and bendix issue, cranks right up now. Don't spend extra money if it wont fix your issues.
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Post by michaeljackson on Feb 20, 2013 1:39:02 GMT -5
The ground is mounted to the valve cover very tightly. Could it still be bad?. how do I check. Alsohow do I test the bendex is it won't or barely turn on a fully charged battery?.
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Post by edfr on Feb 20, 2013 1:41:43 GMT -5
That is correct, like Millsc and I are saying test the stuff out first. Heck I have the original starter and battery now 4 years old and my motor pumps out 200PSI after the BBK and it turns it over just fine. Lefty
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