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Post by justpassinthru on Apr 14, 2012 22:50:04 GMT -5
Why do people buy chinese when they don't know how to wrench?
Because they're buying PRICE - and don't understand that it's not the natural order of things that cars, and Japanese bikes, and lawnmowers, all start and run smoothly for a long time when new.
They learn, as they buy Chinese and find quality-control problems solved by other companies YEARS ago, again present on their new toys.
Now. Why do people come in once and leave? For the same reason many people buy a scooter and run it 300 miles, park it in the garage, and forget it. Owning a scooter isn't for everyone; it doesn't fit every need and some just don't get anything out of the ride.
Now...I came and went and came again. I had a Burgman; missed my gearshift and when the Burgman broke on a trip, I went back to a conventional motorcycle. Now, I'm getting arthritis in the hip and knee issues...my days of throwing a leg over, are numbered.
I now have a Chinese Burgman clone. And frankly, I'm thinking seriously of selling the BMW cycle, and buying a new Burgman....
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Post by SylvreKat on Apr 14, 2012 23:24:48 GMT -5
And some folks knew how to take away bones, despite there was no button for it. Seems a like button is asking for something similar. Or else it turns into popularity, and let's see how many likes I can get.
What's so difficult about simply posting a reply, "Hey, thanks for the advice, it really helped."?
>'Kat
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Post by timber on Apr 15, 2012 0:27:24 GMT -5
That's happens far more often than not. Also it happens to be that when we say adjust the valves they still get the adjustment wrong and claim they adjusted the valves. Then we walk them through step by step, and then never hear from them again. I can relate to that, I spent hours at a time over more than a few days trying to help a gal in opensim get her simulator up so she could log into it, I went over and over every step of the configuration, the port forwarding, the firewall, the settings and asked time and again- "are you SURE you have the right IP address in the config file?" She insisted over her mom's grave it was the RIGHT ip, swore up and down, checked and rechecked, reinstalled again and again I/we were tearing our hair out. I finally went in and looked at her pc setup remotely using teamview, something I don't like to do- not comfortable with other people's machines, then I found the problem... You may have guessed it by now, yup, her internal ip, the very one she swore up and down for 3 days was RIGHT, was one number wrong from what she put in the config file because it had changed when she restarted the pc! Easy to miss, but... I had to take her word for it blind (couldnt see what she was doing on her pc till I teamviewed) that it was correct, and it wasn't. I like the bonz idea
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Post by bvance554 on Apr 15, 2012 1:52:40 GMT -5
Some people, like myself, are primarily voyeurs. I enjoy and learn a lot from reading this forum. If I ever respond to a post its usually along the lines of where to get free air. I'm fairly mechanicaly inclined and know my way around an engine, but there are so many people on here with much more scooter specific knowledge that I couldn't possibly add anything. So I just read.
Now, I've never asked a question, but if I were to ask one, I would of course say thank you, but if you never heard from me again, its not because I left the forum, I just don't have anything more to offer.
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Post by leo on Apr 15, 2012 2:02:19 GMT -5
I would find it "gratifying" which most of you fine fellas with your humble and solemn desire to help the newbies as with fellow Dawgs, will agree that a " LIKE" button could serve well when added to this forum as a feature appreciation tool shown when responding to a post or for a given guidance. this forum has been there and done that. we called them bones. someone found a bug in the URL and exploited it. needless to say the bone system was abused so much that it was discontinued.
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Post by dadzilla on Apr 15, 2012 7:05:56 GMT -5
Basically this forum is a revolving door, the same 30 members inside and a constant stream of scooter newbies in with a problem and gone when its solved. why do people with no wrenching skills, or very very little buy chinese scoots that require a good deal of knowledge and maintenance? You know I was a certified ASE Tech before they called it ASE... but sometimes I look at my scooter, scratch my head and think to myself, what were they thinking? I have yet to understand the almost inscrutable alien logic of this wiring harness
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Post by SylvreKat on Apr 15, 2012 7:07:12 GMT -5
Btb, on non-mechs buying Chinese, some folks don't have a knowledgeable, good Harley friend like I do to steer them away from Chinese.
My first stop when I started scooter shopping was at a Schwinn dealer. Had the cutest little pink scoot. Then I called my Harley friend to let him know my plan. He's who informed me that any Chinese-brand bike was not a good choice for me as the quality wasn't high enough for my utter lack of any sort of mechanical skills.
And I didn't find this forum 'til quite a while after I bought my Peej. So that wouldn't have helped.
As for dropping in to ask their question, getting help, then leaving, that's just how some folks are. They most likely also drop into the parts store, get help, buy the part, then leave. They know where to go now for help; they'll be back when something else needs fixing. After a few visits, they'll be more likely to stick around and chat--same as a parts store.
>'Kat
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Post by dudley on Apr 15, 2012 7:37:25 GMT -5
Good point, kat. I get help at the library but it never would occur to me that I should stay and help someone else. Same at the butcher shop or home improvement store. There are forum people and non forum people. I happen to like forums.not just for the help but for the conversation and camaraderie.but for some they just want help. I offer suggestions when I can or when I suspect someone is hovering over their keyboard hoping for a quick answer and the more knowledgeable folks have yet to check in, but my knowledge is limited. It can be a long time between asking for your first help and Knowing enough to help others. Some people never get there.
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Post by justpassinthru on Apr 15, 2012 8:00:07 GMT -5
Btb, on non-mechs buying Chinese, some folks don't have a knowledgeable, good Harley friend like I do to steer them away from Chinese. My first stop when I started scooter shopping was at a Schwinn dealer. Had the cutest little pink scoot. Then I called my Harley friend to let him know my plan. He's who informed me that any Chinese-brand bike was not a good choice for me as the quality wasn't high enough for my utter lack of any sort of mechanical skills. And I didn't find this forum 'til quite a while after I bought my Peej. So that wouldn't have helped. As for dropping in to ask their question, getting help, then leaving, that's just how some folks are. They most likely also drop into the parts store, get help, buy the part, then leave. They know where to go now for help; they'll be back when something else needs fixing. After a few visits, they'll be more likely to stick around and chat--same as a parts store. >'Kat That's a good point. In the days of the General Store: Some folks just came in to get eggs and ham and whatnot. Other folks came in to hang out; play checkers with the store owner; sit by the fire and tell stories and listen to others. It's the nature of folks.
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Post by mymomwantsatrike on Apr 15, 2012 8:04:56 GMT -5
It's a message board. Folks leave messages
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Post by PasoDoble on Apr 15, 2012 8:48:20 GMT -5
It's a message board. Folks leave messages It is in my opinion, a rendezvous point where ppl seek to increase one's basic knowledge related to the item(s) shared and happily exploited by the majority within the gathering. And as a forum point such as ScootDawg, to be precise, all shapes and sizes of knowledgeable input gets spilled out, in a pleasant fashion (hopefully and happily most of the time) where any heads up or upgrade to improve gets a fair crack through the tinkering minds dedicated to the subject addressed. No one could or should feel obligated to the rest but it is nonetheless polite and shows good ethics to reciprocate when one gains some or even minimal assistance from a member of the group willing to go the extra mile to lighten the burden of the person who requires some tech or theoritical brainstorming and in many cases, literal help at the spot both or more could go to and assist. This forum and like many others, offers everyone the equal opportunity to jump off the plank and splash or ride off together with a common goal sought after i.e. a fraternity with like-minded fellow fanciers exploiting the thrills from a two or three-wheeler scooter, regardless of make, capacity and fuel consumption. ;D
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Post by spandi on Apr 15, 2012 9:20:17 GMT -5
This is why I did RESEARCH before I bought my scoot and began to amass the tools and parts i would need to "make it right" and in so doing eliminate these problems before they ever came up. (like the Volvo commercial which stated "The best way to survive an accident is not to get in one.") P.S. Scootdawg (and it's very knowledgeable members) is one of the best sconces of expertise to do just that.
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Post by spandi on Apr 15, 2012 9:28:27 GMT -5
This must be 1000+ post thread, no newbs allowed! THAT Sir is discriminatory Numberism! (LOL!!)
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Post by ltdhpp on Apr 15, 2012 11:07:10 GMT -5
Id imagine most people don't spend enough time on the internet to "hang out" on a scooter forum... They just get the help they need and scoot on. Nothing wrong with that... I joined last season and am still around... I got a lot of help and I try to help when I can. Plus I like to share what Ive done, and I know I'm sure to run into issues down the road. I feel like Ive been pretty lucky (knock on wood) with my Chinese scooters, no nightmares so far.
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Post by SylvreKat on Apr 15, 2012 21:35:09 GMT -5
And of course while there's non-forum folks and non-hanging-out folk, there's also the flip--gregarious social blonde who has still learned pretty much nothing mechanical yet continues to post on threads. I'm afraid I would've been the one at the Gen Store all day long despite only needing one egg. >'Kat
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Post by skuttadawg on Apr 16, 2012 1:15:26 GMT -5
I laugh when I see questions about a BBK and they have not even gotten the scooter yet . I love wrenching and have before I was a teen so I know the pleasure in doing simple mods to enjoy a scooter better . A person can not buy a scooter and tools and become an instant expert like those of us who have years of experience along with formal training like me . I was amazed how cheap HP parts are and its so much cheaper and easier to tune a scooter than a car , so I could understand those only think of their scooter as a toy , where some of us its our daily driver and we tend to take better care of it .
Maybe we should have a newbie section with threads of FAQs in order for helpers here not having to keep on repeating the same answers over and over .
I think its great for one to want to learn how it works and be able to fix it themselves rather only know how to put gas in it .
So a scooter 101 workshops might make gurus some extra money and newbies more dangerous to their scooter lol
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Post by Globs on Apr 16, 2012 3:12:42 GMT -5
my personal opinion only people just arent the same anymore. : INSTANT GRATIFICATION and screw helping anyone else I don't think it's the people, I think it's their arrested state of development. Think about a 2 year old - has all the attributes you list but may go on to be Mother Theresa. In the modern welfare/computer game age world people simply never get the chance to grow up, so they stay as big kids. The 'need it for the weekend' is typical of this - and they won't learn until they miss a number of weekends because of their piss poor planning. 'Helping' them by fixing it is not a long term help - it just makes them more dependent. Call it 'tough love' but in reality it's about not getting drawn into their world and helping them along as a person.
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Post by loganhes on Apr 16, 2012 8:41:02 GMT -5
loganhes how you liking that super 8. my riding buddy just picked up one for 702.77 that had been knocked over, so its got a bunch of scratches. hows your acceleration, top speed, anything you dont like about it? Chromestarhustler, My acceleration is awesome. I can actually make the rear tire "chirp" if I start off too fast. My top speed is around 62 MPH. The only thing I can honestly say that I don't like about it is finding parts for it. Recently I had difficulty finding a belt to use as a spare. Other than that I love it and it was well worth the money.
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Post by TomO on Apr 16, 2012 12:23:05 GMT -5
I've become what I call a "Lurking Regular". I read all the FAQs got my info learned how to fix and keep up my Tank Touring 150, but never had to post a question so far, but do play along in the word association thread. The regulars that usually answer the noob question first are very polite...on other car forums I've been on, the standard answer is usually "search" which tends to drive a lot of noobs away once they find their answer or even if they don't. I'm not particularly licking the search function on this board as it only goes back a few days reliably, and asking to search for older threads makes it hang or just not work. At least the tips and tricks get their own section though and that is easy to find.
I've also learned from other boards that having noobs come and go isn't necessarily a bad thing, but answering the same questions over and over does become a tad boring.
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Post by gtbike on Apr 16, 2012 14:56:51 GMT -5
I've been on a hiatus from the list and no matter how often I come here for advice and amusement it seems like the same 30 people are alternating between annoyance at the noobs (unless thay happen to be 16 y/o british girls).
Try considering yourself a teacher and expect the reward for your efforts to come once you've retired and are riding a Wal-Mart scooter to shop.
Lighten up folks, some of us bought what we could afford and then learned how to keep them running...noobs did the same the $1000 difference in acquisition price was a ton of margin for paying to learn.
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Post by nulldevice on Apr 16, 2012 17:53:11 GMT -5
Is there some way to take that useless-to-nearly-everyone search button off the top of the page and put Google search there instead?
Maybe put the Google button near the top of the page?
Maybe make a locked SEARCH HERE sub-board or category on the home page with a locked post inside with an explanation and a link to the Google search?
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Post by spandi on Apr 16, 2012 20:32:52 GMT -5
I laugh when I see questions about a BBK and they have not even gotten the scooter yet . I love wrenching and have before I was a teen so I know the pleasure in doing simple mods to enjoy a scooter better . A person can not buy a scooter and tools and become an instant expert like those of us who have years of experience along with formal training like me . I was amazed how cheap HP parts are and its so much cheaper and easier to tune a scooter than a car , so I could understand those only think of their scooter as a toy , where some of us its our daily driver and we tend to take better care of it . Maybe we should have a newbie section with threads of FAQs in order for helpers here not having to keep on repeating the same answers over and over . I think its great for one to want to learn how it works and be able to fix it themselves rather only know how to put gas in it . So a scooter 101 workshops might make gurus some extra money and newbies more dangerous to their scooter lol "Can you please tell me the best scooter to wrap around my BBK?"
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Post by chromestarhustler on Apr 16, 2012 22:58:09 GMT -5
I laugh when I see questions about a BBK and they have not even gotten the scooter yet . I love wrenching and have before I was a teen so I know the pleasure in doing simple mods to enjoy a scooter better . A person can not buy a scooter and tools and become an instant expert like those of us who have years of experience along with formal training like me . I was amazed how cheap HP parts are and its so much cheaper and easier to tune a scooter than a car , so I could understand those only think of their scooter as a toy , where some of us its our daily driver and we tend to take better care of it . Maybe we should have a newbie section with threads of FAQs in order for helpers here not having to keep on repeating the same answers over and over . I think its great for one to want to learn how it works and be able to fix it themselves rather only know how to put gas in it . So a scooter 101 workshops might make gurus some extra money and newbies more dangerous to their scooter lol "Can you please tell me the best scooter to wrap around my BBK?" one that is completely disassembled so half the work is already done for you, lol
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Post by jim63 on Apr 17, 2012 10:54:39 GMT -5
I would guess the short answer to the original post is, if you are tired of answering the same questions from different people, simply dont reply to the post. My original scooter was a 250B, bought it after doing some research from various sites, this being one of them. I was somewhat prepared for the work involved with a drop-shipped scooter, and didnt expect miracles right out of the box. But the guys/gals here laid down some great advice and I learned from there experiences, which helped me. I dont mind giving back to the community, but dont feel the need to reply to all posts. Dont let the new people frustrate you, they are only seeking help, maybe they didnt dig as deep as they should have or as much as you'd like.
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Post by spandi on Apr 17, 2012 11:38:54 GMT -5
I would guess the short answer to the original post is, if you are tired of answering the same questions from different people, simply dont reply to the post. My original scooter was a 250B, bought it after doing some research from various sites, this being one of them. I was somewhat prepared for the work involved with a drop-shipped scooter, and didnt expect miracles right out of the box. But the guys/gals here laid down some great advice and I learned from there experiences, which helped me. I dont mind giving back to the community, but dont feel the need to reply to all posts. Dont let the new people frustrate you, they are only seeking help, maybe they didnt dig as deep as they should have or as much as you'd like. You just have to remember what it was like for you in the beginning, the confusion, or feeling it's hopeless, the stumbling around in the dark. I remember all that and go in and help as best as I can.
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Post by 260orbust on Apr 18, 2012 19:23:37 GMT -5
Basically this forum is a revolving door, the same 30 members inside and a constant stream of scooter newbies in with a problem and gone when its solved. why do people with no wrenching skills, or very very little buy chinese scoots that require a good deal of knowledge and maintenance? Please help neeeed advice scooter newbie, i bought {insert scooter of your choice} thats been completely disassembled and rebuild with scooter parts from 15 different scooters, i need to get it running by tonight and make my daily transportation that trouble free for 80000 miles. I feel like we are answering the same 20 questions over and over just with different screen names. sell it get a honda. yamaha, kymco, or a ninja 250. is gonna be my standard response for a week or so until i am done being amused by it. The simple answer is they are garbage! Most here will not agree or like this answer and THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE! Most are just looking for an alternative to driving their car and stopping at the gas station every other day. They see all these dealers pimping how wonderful they are. JUST TWIST AND GO! LEAVE YOUR TROUBLES AND THE GAS STATION BEHIND!!!! Yes I've seen this on websites. You don't hear how you WILL need a set of tools, manuals, advise, the patience not to pull your own hair out when it leaves you stranded, etc... You don't hear how it will constantly break down no matter what you do. You don't hear how repair shops will tell you to leave the premises and take it with you when you can't figure out how to fix it. And you don't hear about the never ending search for parts you'll go on when your stuck with it.
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Post by gendoboy on Apr 18, 2012 19:48:29 GMT -5
Not all people are just trying to find a quick fix. Im brand new to scoots and I know nothing about em. but i really do want to know how to maintain it and to make it even better than how i found it (which on a scale of 1 to 10 was at best a 3). Thanks to the help of everyone on here, I was able to ride my scooter to work today and let me tell you, im hooked. this scooter still needs alot of work and parts. i think you need to rethink why people get on here and ask the questions. i got on because i want to learn from those who love their scoots. and to learn from those who really know. you guys should be flattered.
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Post by 260orbust on Apr 18, 2012 19:57:58 GMT -5
Not all people are just trying to find a quick fix. Im brand new to scoots and I know nothing about em. but i really do want to know how to maintain it and to make it even better than how i found it (which on a scale of 1 to 10 was at best a 3). Thanks to the help of everyone on here, I was able to ride my scooter to work today and let me tell you, im hooked. this scooter still needs alot of work and parts. i think you need to rethink why people get on here and ask the questions. i got on because i want to learn from those who love their scoots. and to learn from those who really know. you guys should be flattered. This is certainly the place to come if you want to get help to fix it; that's how I ended up here. But at some point you gotta ask... How long am I gonna do this? Just my .02
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Post by dude on Apr 18, 2012 23:08:16 GMT -5
\ - its a scooter thang
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Post by rockie on Apr 19, 2012 1:48:40 GMT -5
Basically this forum is a revolving door, the same 30 members inside and a constant stream of scooter newbies in with a problem and gone when its solved. why do people with no wrenching skills, or very very little buy chinese scoots that require a good deal of knowledge and maintenance? Please help neeeed advice scooter newbie, i bought {insert scooter of your choice} thats been completely disassembled and rebuild with scooter parts from 15 different scooters, i need to get it running by tonight and make my daily transportation that trouble free for 80000 miles. I feel like we are answering the same 20 questions over and over just with different screen names. sell it get a honda. yamaha, kymco, or a ninja 250. is gonna be my standard response for a week or so until i am done being amused by it. You want to know why newbies leave the forum? It's because of people like you. We just want answers, thats all. When you are new, it is much easier to ask a question than searching 100s of pages for what could be an answer. A lot of you so called know alot sgive the wrong answers. You answer a question just because you want to impress some one and if a newbie shakes his head at the answer, you send him a can of spam. If you don't want to give answers, then don't. This forum will be more usable without you.
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