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Post by inuyasha on Nov 22, 2011 22:54:52 GMT -5
You have to admit all the 50 pumas the specs say 35 mph depending on rider conditions and whatnot. So when you say you JUST MILLED the head and are getting 50+ mph I have to disagree with those claims. Milling the head WILL NOT give you 15mph gains all that does is give you low end torque and if you ever noticed your rpms will NOT rise as high as with the OEM head. And NO I did not say you could out race a 150 or do 60 but remember this a 150 scoot out of the crate will usually do 50+ now that is 100 more ccs approx 5-6 more hp over a 50cc. So your claim of 50+ is very hard to swallow as they say. Also I did not see any Video Evidence of the speedo or gps on the scoot. If you are talking about the two Videos in this thread all the Video Showed was the side of the road you where traveling. I did not see any SPEEDO shots or even the scooter for that matter. All I am trying to say is MOST of us know what SPEEDS you can expect out of a 50, 150 and 250 stock. And we also know what Mods will get you some top end speed and about how much. Just think about it a 50cc EVEN with a BBK and all the goodies you will be in the 40+ range but not 50. Very few and a lot of money thrown at it ever break or reach 50 and then the motor does not last very long. I get concerned when someone comes on with high mph claims because the younger crowd will go out do what someone said got him 100mph and his only goes 38mph with the same mods. Lefty Hi You just thev to have the last word dont ya Imho manufacturers downplay the estimated top speed and or hp and torque of the engines not raise them So they can get them in under some of the different states that have stiffer regulations concerning top speed and max hp of smaller scoots At this point i could care less if you believe me or not because i see that not going to happen Im happy with my scoot, it performs as i stated and thats all that matters to me Take care Yours Hank
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Post by edfr on Nov 22, 2011 23:14:52 GMT -5
All I am doing is trying to give the young crowd the real scoop and to not expect to much with the little money they have. And dealers do not GO LOW they go HIGH ON what the younger crowd is looking for and that is HP and SPEED. They are not going to get in trouble with a spec sheet that has wrong information. If that was so then all the scoots would be registered as motorcycles and not MOPEDs and require all the registrations a motorcycle requires.
How is yours registered as a scoot that only goes 25-30? Do you require a special Licence to drive it , Licence Plate, Insurance? Lefty
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Post by inuyasha on Nov 22, 2011 23:26:55 GMT -5
All I am doing is trying to give the young crowd the real scoop and to not expect to much with the little money they have. And dealers do not GO LOW they go HIGH ON what the younger crowd is looking for and that is HP and SPEED. They are not going to get in trouble with a spec sheet that has wrong information. If that was so then all the scoots would be registered as motorcycles and not MOPEDs and require all the registrations a motorcycle requires. How is yours registered as a scoot that only goes 25-30? Do you require a special Licence to drive it , Licence Plate, Insurance? Lefty Hi My state recognizes the need to be able to keep up with traffic and goes by max hp or kw not max speed or cc displacement Were allowed up to 5 hp and must be able to keep up with the posted limit when riding or use the shoulder, ive yet to have to resort to that option even while on a 45 mph road CT laws concerning small scoots Motor Driven Cycles: If you have a motor scooter, moped or motorbike having a motor that produces 5 brake horsepower or less (or 3.7 kW or less) and a seat height of at least 26 inches, you may operate it on the roadway without registering it. However, you must have a valid motor vehicle operator’s license to operate it, and you may not operate it on any sidewalk, limited access highway or turnpike. If the maximum speed of your cycle is less than the speed limit of the road that you are on, you must operate in the right hand lane available for traffic or upon a usable shoulder on the right side of the road unless you are making a left turn. As of October 1, 2008, these vehicles are referred to as “motor driven cycles.” And my Puma dealer stated that the specs on them are very conservative He him self rides a 50 cc songbird www.pumacycles.com/Songbird-50cc--amp;-150cc.htmlHes a little over 6 ft and weighs about 220 His scoot can hit 40 easily Though im sure you dont believe that statement as well Oh and btw my title lists my puma as a motorcycle Take care and drive safely dear friend Yours Hank
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Post by edfr on Nov 22, 2011 23:53:46 GMT -5
I just read the CT scooter laws so if it was registered as a motorcycle 50cc or greater then you have a plate, insurance and had to take all the tests. Ride safe and don't go to fast Lefty
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Post by inuyasha on Nov 23, 2011 0:12:04 GMT -5
I just read the CT scooter laws so if it was registered as a motorcycle 50cc or greater then you have a plate, insurance and had to take all the tests. Ride safe and don't go to fast Lefty Hi Lefty Thanks i most certainly will And ive been riding 2 wheeled vehicles since i was 6 Had my motorcycle endorsement since i was 16 And at present i have the scoot, a 2009 Indian Chief and a motorized schwinn cruiser All of them have their times and places to shine and i quite enjoy driving them all equally, one as much as the other And for the most part i try to go only the posted speed limit no matter the vehicle im driving i might exceed it by a few mph if needed but thats it For me its safety first and foremost Take care and drive safely dearest friend Yours Hank
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Post by marvintm on Nov 23, 2011 9:06:01 GMT -5
here is a good question for ya about speeds. I see from some of the photos of other riders that the scoot looks lighter than the one i have i wonder if that would help you get up to the 40-50Mph. If you look at the photo of mine it weighs almost 200Lbs and ya on a flat road i can get it to hit 65Kph. Over 70Kph but can not tell how fast due to the spedo bottoms out at 70Kph hehe.
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Post by tortoise on Nov 23, 2011 11:42:09 GMT -5
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Post by inuyasha on Nov 23, 2011 12:44:07 GMT -5
Hi Every one is failing to take the OPs question in to account and answer it He asked is it possible to achieve 50 mph with a 50 cc scoot without adding a bbk Thats the issue at hand not whether a stock 50 can attain it or not And i believe it is possible with minor mods adding the bbk would just make it run a little easier at those speeds My scoot is the proof Take care and drive safely dear friends Yours Hank
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Post by bullet on Nov 23, 2011 13:24:55 GMT -5
With ya on that one Hank.
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Post by edfr on Nov 23, 2011 14:01:23 GMT -5
People A stock 50 will not do 50mph PERIOD. It may feel like your going 50 on those 10" rims the damn things are small and dangerous at anything over 40. They are made for commuting around town 20-30 mph, get on a 35 and up road and your asking for trouble. A good example of that was one of HANKS Video cars and trucks were zooming past him while he as all the way on the right side of the road.
Have any of you been at a scooter Dragstrip? Then come back and let us all which one reached 50mph or better and WHAT mods they had to do.
Why people say my 50 will do this and that, MARVINTM on here is telling it LIKE IT IS and is not making sh!t up or gullable to believe the Chino Speedos and GPS and I praise him for it.
As they say in MISSOURI, SHOW ME I AM FROM MISSOURI otherwise it didn't happen. Lefty
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Post by inuyasha on Nov 23, 2011 14:16:40 GMT -5
People A stock 50 will not do 50mph PERIOD. It may feel like your going 50 on those 10" rims the damn things are small and dangerous at anything over 40. They are made for commuting around town 20-30 mph, get on a 35 and up road and your asking for trouble. A good example of that was one of HANKS Video cars and trucks were zooming past him while he as all the way on the right side of the road. Have any of you been at a scooter Dragstrip? Then come back and let us all which one reached 50mph or better and WHAT mods they had to do. Why people say my 50 will do this and that, MARVINTM on here is telling it LIKE IT IS and is not making sh!t up or gullable to believe the Chino Speedos and GPS and I praise him for it. As they say in MISSOURI, SHOW ME I AM FROM MISSOURI otherwise it didn't happen. Lefty Hi If they were zooming by me in the videos its not because i wasnt doing the posted limit they were all speeding And in those videos posted above only one car passes me and that was going uphill at the time I was doing 35 she was doing at least 50 Once again i say my scoot can do the posted limit up to 45 mph and a little bit more And you have only seen 2 of my videos i have many more on my youtube channel In some of those you can plainly see me keeping up and passing cars and trucks in both lanes Heres one in fact I cant understand why this bothers you so much And back to the OPs question this has nothing to do with a stock 50 cc HEs asking if its possible to attain 50 mph without a BBK And i say it is you wont even answer the question at hand You keep bringing up the stock 50 cc Take care and drive safely Yours Hank
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Post by tortoise on Nov 23, 2011 14:26:53 GMT -5
50 mph with a 50 cc scoot without adding a bbk . . . My scoot is the proof If legal, safe, and practical to do so . . please consider posting a video showing your 50cc 139QMB scooter passing one of those portable "YOUR SPEED" radar signs at around 50mph on level terrain (camera held by assistant, or on a tripod). Might inquire if this objective would be compatible with a local police department training exercise.
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Post by inuyasha on Nov 23, 2011 14:36:05 GMT -5
50 mph with a 50 cc scoot without adding a bbk . . . My scoot is the proof If legal, safe, and practical to do so . . please consider posting a video showing your 50cc 139QMB scooter passing one of those portable "YOUR SPEED" radar signs at around 50mph on level terrain (camera held by assistant, or on a tripod). Might inquire if this objective would be compatible with a local police department training exercise. Hi We have one but its on a 25 mph road so that wont be of any help in the matter And imho i dont have to prove anything to any of you It would be nice if my associate's believed me but whether or not you do doesnt really matter to me any more Im happy with the performance of my scoot , she does perform as stated and for me thats all that really matters I shall not bother to reply to this thread anymore Take care and drive safely Yours Hank
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Post by edfr on Nov 23, 2011 15:03:20 GMT -5
Little mistake there hank more than one passed you I counted 3 cars and also the most telling is IT WAS GOING DOWN THE HILL not up the hill, Just look at the back ground and the skyline and trees and the side of the road, we all have eyes and ears.
You ask why it bothers me, the reason is very simple when someone puts up sh!t I know is not so with whatever MOD was done that relieves the poor soul of money he probably cannot affrod to throw away. Don't forget many on here are young and not well off and scrap and save just to keep their scoots running. What I cannot understand is WHY do it in the first place, but hey to each his own and I will keep on trying to save the poor souls that may fall for such BS.
""And back to the OPs question this has nothing to do with a stock 50 cc HEs asking if its possible to attain 50 mph without a BBK""
Ok here is my answer to his QUESTION, IF and I say IF his current SCOOTER can ACTUALLY REAL MPH hit 45mph I say YES he can reach 50mph without a BBK. Lefty
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Post by inuyasha on Nov 23, 2011 15:11:15 GMT -5
Little mistake there hank more than one passed you I counted 3 cars and also the most telling is IT WAS GOING DOWN THE HILL not up the hill, Just look at the back ground and the skyline and trees and the side of the road, we all have eyes and ears. You ask why it bothers me, the reason is very simple when someone puts up sh!t I know is not so with whatever MOD was done that relieves the poor soul of money he probably cannot affrod to throw away. Don't forget many on here are young and not well off and scrap and save just to keep their scoots running. What I cannot understand is WHY do it in the first place, but hey to each his own and I will keep on trying to save the poor souls that may fall for such BS. ""And back to the OPs question this has nothing to do with a stock 50 cc HEs asking if its possible to attain 50 mph without a BBK"" Ok here is my answer to his QUESTION, IF and I say IF his current SCOOTER can ACTUALLY REAL MPH hit 45mph I say YES he can reach 50mph without a BBK. Lefty Hi lefty I felt that this warrants one more reply thanks that all i stated That you can achieve 50mph on 50 cc scoot without a bbk With that said You cant go by the angle of my videos as some times my mounts angle is off and it looks like im going up or down hill Most of the time im on level ground despite the video viewing angle Just thought you would like to know that And if its really necessary i could either ask my friends at the PD to radar me or i can take it to the local drag-strip and get a speed reading that way, as im quite amused with your attitude and so want to prove you wrong But im quite sure even that would not be enough to persuade you either way Im sorry for saying that but i have come to that conclusion since you continually argue with me and wont back down at all Take care and drive safely dear friend Yours Hank
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Post by edfr on Nov 23, 2011 17:16:32 GMT -5
Hi lefty I felt that this warrants one more reply thanks that all i stated That you can achieve 50mph on 50 cc scoot without a bbk With that said You cant go by the angle of my videos as some times my mounts angle is off and it looks like im going up or down hill Most of the time im on level ground despite the video viewing angle Just thought you would like to know that And if its really necessary i could either ask my friends at the PD to radar me or i can take it to the local drag-strip and get a speed reading that way, as im quite amused with your attitude and so want to prove you wrong But im quite sure even that would not be enough to persuade you either way Im sorry for saying that but i have come to that conclusion since you continually argue with me and wont back down at all Take care and drive safely dear friend Yours Hank I am also amused by your attitude, and by all means if you prove me wrong I will most humbley apologize. Man you do come up with some really good ones, you really are stretching it coming up with the BS about the angle of the camera. It is most obvious to anyone that knows anything about cameras your camera either has a leveling feature or the mount has a leveling feature. Some of us are very astute about many things and I have to tell you I am one of those people, so please get off that soapbox. And look at the horizon in the background any idiot will tell you, your going DOWN HILL my friend, here again you think we are idiots and cannot tell the difference. The camera is level, the car right next to you is pointing down what else you want. You can twist that camera anywhich way you want it will not make that scene go up hill. The reason I have not backed down is that I have pointed out many discrepancies in your storybook and you still will not come clean. You come up with some cockyamaybe excuses and or statements that are also not true. I am sorry I have to go through all this but your explanations of things I pointed out are even funnier. So ride safe and be carefull out there. Lefty
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Post by inuyasha on Nov 23, 2011 17:36:32 GMT -5
Hi lefty What are you talking about Heres my cam about $60 at Walmart 000_0002 by inuyasha50, on Flickr 000_0005 by inuyasha50, on Flickr And heres the mount Cam and tripod 005re by inuyasha50, on Flickr The cam is a bare bones one theres no leveling software or special features so the angle you see is how the cam is positioned I dont BS BTW, for me truth and honesty is paramount Im starting to get very tired of your accusations jabs and insults at me I see now why some of the other members dont want to have any thing to do with you or your opinions DO YOU even own or at least ridden a 50 cc machine lately? Im starting to get to that point myself as well Hank
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Post by freedomscoot on Nov 23, 2011 18:12:27 GMT -5
Well, here's a vid of me riding my Tao Tao on the hilly roads around here, and youse can see my speedometer as I'm going. The bike was bone stock when I made this (It still is except that I've been experimenting weith different weight rollers since the vid) -I wobble where I turn onto the side road, because I was debating whether to make a U-turn there or go down the road.... I've clocked this bicycle speedometer against a car and over a known distance..I believe it's right on the money. This scoot is a "secret 63", and I weigh 220 lbs.
Now C'mon, guys..that last vid of Hanks, the camera was clearly on a 45-degree or so angle.....
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Post by inuyasha on Nov 23, 2011 18:21:22 GMT -5
Well, here's a vid of me riding my Tao Tao on the hilly roads around here, and youse can see my speedometer as I'm going. The bike was bone stock when I made this (It still is except that I've been experimenting weith different weight rollers since the vid) -I wobble where I turn onto the side road, because I was debating whether to make a U-turn there or go down the road.... I've clocked this bicycle speedometer against a car and over a known distance..I believe it's right on the money. This scoot is a "secret 63", and I weigh 220 lbs.
Now C'mon, guys..that last vid of Hanks, the camera was clearly on a 45-degree or so angle.....Hi Great video ;D Shes moves out very well, congratulations Thanks for the backup as well its most appreciated ;D ;D Thanks ever so much for sharing that with us I really enjoyed it Take care and drive safely dearest friend Yours Hank
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Post by edfr on Nov 23, 2011 18:46:38 GMT -5
""I see now why some of the other members dont want to have any thing to do with you or your opinions""
And that my friend is YOUR opinion. I don't come on here and try and brag about what I have or pretend I am something I am not. If people do not want to have anything to do we me that is their choice. We all have choices. I get lot of PMs from the troops asking for advice on how to get more speed or what could be wrong and a possible fix to their scoots. I have yet to see you chime in and give advice or assistance on how or what could be wrong someones scoot when they post for help. The only reason I come on is to try and help with their problems. You come on and brag, put up poems and quotes and show us ALL the cars and boats and whatnot you supposedly have.
Nice tripod, by the way where do you mount that thing on the scoot with the three legs, on the flat footboard? Hank I am done with this since I cannot seem to get you to fess up to any of the untruths. Ride safe and enjoy the seashore. Lefty
Nice Video Freedomscoot yea, the TAO TAOs secret 63s do have more power even the Specs say 40mph not 35 like the Pumas. Displacement will always get you more power. Looks like it will can hold 38-40 on the Flats.
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Post by inuyasha on Nov 23, 2011 19:12:20 GMT -5
My posts are out there for all to see and decide on their own Just use the search function I will leave it to others to see if im helpful and kind or boastful and arrogant As for you lefty you have lost my friendship and respect calling me a liar how dare you presume to judge me I know you dont care but thought i would tell you how i feel anyways My sincere apologies to the OP I didnt want it to turn out like this so sorry
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Post by mechaniczman on Nov 23, 2011 19:32:57 GMT -5
Im totally going to upload a detailed video of my 50cc going 50mph, it wont do it on flat ground but if i get it strung out it can hit over 50. Its pretty stock except for the lighter roller weights and spark plug
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Post by charlesg1975 on Nov 23, 2011 23:48:02 GMT -5
I agree with everyone but hank, sorry man but my scoot says 50 when I'm maxed out and I know i'm only doing about 40 maybe 45 with a tail wind. All 49cc motors and thats what they really are will only go as fast as they are geared. Taller tires and a larger belt pully will get more top end. But only if you have the motor to give you the mechanical advantage. I know what your saying though, I ride on US 41 and keep up with most traffic in a 45 zone but who knows who is going what speed. I keep up with most but a lot of people go zooming by. Like I said, get someone to clock you. Even a baseball radar gun is more accurate than a GPS or speedo or traffic estamates man. I dare you to prove it, that's all I'm saying. Show me the money Jerry!
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Post by charlesg1975 on Nov 24, 2011 0:10:15 GMT -5
Lefty I agree with you I am so sick of people trying to make there equipment do what it can't. I have a 2005 Yamaha R1, Silverado 1500 and a GMW M1. The R1 will do about 160 the truck will do about 125 and the scoot will do about 40. That's it man, pure and simple. I'm not going to say the R1 does 190 the truck goes 150 and the scooter does 50+. It's easy to say but hard to prove without calling someone a liar. So prove it!!!
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Post by tortoise on Nov 24, 2011 0:23:53 GMT -5
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Post by charlesg1975 on Nov 24, 2011 0:38:37 GMT -5
What the hell does that video prove? All I seen was a scooter going down the road and pulling the rpms at times. Where is the radar, where is the laser? Hank, your scooter has never gone 50 buddy. I'm sorry cause you tried to help me when I first came on this site. But really man, don't get peoples hopes up on some BS man. You have lost my respect somewhat. You should try and gain it back by at least trying to prove it or your just a liar! You will become one of those guys on the job who says I had a Ninja 750 that went 200 man. Or I had a Ford lightning that did a 12 in the quarter stock. Don't be one of those guys man.
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Post by inuyasha on Nov 24, 2011 0:50:13 GMT -5
I could less about this forum any more I always tell the truth and for you to question me is one thing To insult me and call me a liar is unforgivable I dont need this place or your attitudes any more I wish you all well To my friends take care Yours Hank
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Post by 50dude on Nov 24, 2011 4:07:52 GMT -5
Inuyasha- don't leave the forum, you have always Helped me with every single question I've had, and you're a valuable part of this place.
Did anyone notice what Mechaniczman said, or were you too caught up in brown-nosing lefty?
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Post by dudley on Nov 24, 2011 8:04:05 GMT -5
As to mechaniczmans post he states it won't do it on level ground. Running up the speed on a downhill negates all claims. Hank I believe you. Maybe with your mods all the factors are hitting a sweet spot in concert, or maybe taller gears were put in your scoot for some reason at the factory or dealer, who knows. BUT I do believe that 99% of people will not get the same result and I do think it's fair to question since alot of people have done that mod and more and achieved much less.
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Post by algears on Nov 24, 2011 8:26:25 GMT -5
Inuyasha- don't leave the forum, you have always Helped me with every single question I've had, and you're a valuable part of this place. Did anyone notice what Mechaniczman said, or were you too caught up in brown-nosing lefty? You obviously don't understand the term "brown nosing" if you think that's what Hank was doing.
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