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Post by sipapu23 on Nov 19, 2009 1:44:52 GMT -5
I was looking to purchase a new scoot and I saw a Roketa MC-16 50cc at my local store. It's brand new 2009. The price is nice and I like the style. Does any one have any opinions or pro's and con's about this make and model? Your feedback will be appreciated.
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Post by kliff on Nov 19, 2009 7:24:44 GMT -5
Buy a "BASHAN" manufactured scoot. Sold by Peace. Get in touch with "themathclub" or "tstubs." If you're close to Atlanta, save a few bux and pick it up at one of their warehouses, if you're in Tejas, same option. Otherwise, they do ship! Quality of assembly, and components is severral rungs of the ladder above Roketa. Price close to identical. www.peaceindustrygroup.com/details.asp?id=303 |
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Post by thecableguy on Nov 19, 2009 8:32:36 GMT -5
Buy a "BASHAN" manufactured scoot. Sold by Peace. Get in touch with "themathclub" or "tstubs." If you're close to Atlanta, save a few bux and pick it up at one of their warehouses, if you're in Tejas, same option. Otherwise, they do ship! Quality of assembly, and components is severral rungs of the ladder above Roketa. Price close to identical. www.peaceindustrygroup.com/details.asp?id=303Kliff, My Roketa MC-01 was built by Chongqing Astronautic Bashan Motor Co. Jim |
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Post by rapidjim on Nov 19, 2009 9:45:14 GMT -5
And the debate is On! "Fords are better, Chevy sucks, I would rather push my Harley than ride a Yamaha, ect. ect. ect. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
As an authorized Roketa and Tank B&M dealer, We do sell more Roketas than Tanks.I can honestly say that out of the units we have sold there has not been any major problems. Keep in mine we do an extensive PDI before any of our units are offered for sale. A lot of the problems we have encountered on units brought in for repair could have been avoided if the customer would have done a proper PDI and not just "gas and go".
Whatever you buy, do yourself a favor, buy a manual, do some research and make sure you do do the PDI or have it done!!!
We have been quite happy with Roketa's products and so have our customers, otherwise we would have dumped them and gone with someone esle.
Good Luck on Your Purchase
Jim
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Post by tstubbs on Nov 19, 2009 11:12:20 GMT -5
I was looking to purchase a new scoot and I saw a Roketa MC-16 50cc at my local store. It's brand new 2009. The price is nice and I like the style. Does any one have any opinions or pro's and con's about this make and model? Your feedback will be appreciated. Peace bashan bikes, shipped fast! Manufacturer direct prices. Just check it out. Ask around, Our bikes rock, I and Themathclub (j) ride them and love them |
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Post by kliff on Nov 19, 2009 18:09:20 GMT -5
JEEEEEEZ! with prices that low, I'll probably just order, and take advantage of the free shipping. Atlanta ain't that far, but 6-7 hours, and 80.00 in gas, versus a 2-3 day wait......
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Post by ILLGotti on Nov 19, 2009 21:10:28 GMT -5
Personally, I wouldn't get any of these brands if I could do it all over. I have a Roketa Maui. Its alright. Roketa, Peace, Tank, SUNL, and others all have an identical 50cc bike, with different stickers on it. There are a lot of little stupid things that can go wrong with these things too. But when you see it next to all the other scoots in my club, it looks like a heap of scrap. Maybe you should spend the extra money for a Kymco, Honda Ruckus, Aprilia, etc. the premium brands are so much better. And they hold their value better. I am speaking the real truth here... YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!
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Post by rapidjim on Nov 20, 2009 9:47:46 GMT -5
I did a little research on Chongqing Astronautic Bashan Motor Co. with google and found that this company does manufacture scooters and ATVs for alot of "Companies" including Roketa. I called my tech at Roketa and he confirmed that some of the Roketa models are made by this company. They also provide Decal Design Service, their site claims they design over 200 decals a year. Here is an older post from a Canadian Scoot Dawg: scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=talk&thread=9047&page=1. After my research I have to agree with ILLGotti " Roketa, Peace, Tank, SUNL, and others all have an identical 50cc bike, with different stickers on it. Now not to bust any chops here, I do have a question. Direct copy and paste from www.greenearthscooters.com/detail.cfm?id=788, We don't have to "hand pick and choose" from different factories to try and find the best quality scooters, WE ARE THE FACTORY!! We don't have to find different products and manufacturers and hope their quality is "up to par" and sell all different brands, WE ARE THE MANUFACTURER, WE JUST SELL OUR BRAND!! We just build the best ourselves and pass it on to you, factory direct!! Is that saying that you guys build these bikes or am I reading into what it says? Jim |
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Post by loganhes on Nov 20, 2009 10:18:07 GMT -5
Just thought I would add my thoughts.
I have a 2007 Roketa Maui and I love it. Besides some minor things here and there, it has been very dependable. I did install a 72cc big bore kit, MRP exhaust, #92 jet and numerous other upgrades and as I stated recently I can now reach 46 mph (GPS verified). The things that I had problems with and HAD to replace with better quality parts were the battery and the carb. I only paid $600 for my Roketa and it was well worth it.
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Post by Bluefront on Nov 20, 2009 10:32:12 GMT -5
My Eagle Sporty 50 was made by Chongqing Astronautic Bashan Motor Co....so I guess you can add that scoot to the list. I got mine off Craig's list....good price.
So far everything's been ok except.....battery was dead. And the starter bendix doesn't always engage (starter motor spins). This scoot does around 41mph without any engine mods (I weigh 230), so I assume it's not restricted.
My take.....not bad. Be certain to do a thorough PDI. The wiring harness installation was sloppy. Check/tighten all the N&B. Change the fluids. Enjoy the thing....
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Post by tstubbs on Nov 20, 2009 11:14:23 GMT -5
We are not sunl, they rip off any manufacturer that they can, I know bashan made eagle, and roketa and tank are just buyers.
Don't assume that you have a bashan bike just because you have a tank, roketa or sunl, because they buy from everyone.
We are owned by Bashan. We only sell bashan bikes, and when we send info back to china, they listen to us. Now if they sell competitors bikes on the side, cant help that, but when they taylor build for their own brand, you get better results.(like oversized pistons and advanced timing, better frames and components and a variator based speed restriction) hmmmm.
Most people cannot afford a KYMCO, SYM, HONDA etc. I know I can't. If you don't like the tinkering and maintainace of your roketa, go buy a kymco, they make an awesome bike.
$750 or $1800 you make the call
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Post by thecableguy on Nov 20, 2009 11:45:25 GMT -5
Don't assume that you have a bashan bike just because you have a tank, roketa or sunl, because they buy from everyone. I assume that I have a Bashan bike because the manufacturer label under the seat says so and my VIN says so... LHJ = Bashan That being said, the build quality on my Bashan-built Roketa is head and shoulders above my wife's JMStar built by Shanghai JMStar MC Co. Jim |
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Post by tstubbs on Nov 20, 2009 11:59:05 GMT -5
Don't assume that you have a bashan bike just because you have a tank, roketa or sunl, because they buy from everyone. I assume that I have a Bashan bike because the manufacturer label under the seat says so and my VIN says so... LHJ = Bashan That being said, the build quality on my Bashan-built Roketa is head and shoulders above my wife's JMStar built by Shanghai JMStar MC Co. Jim look familiar lol ;D greenearthscooters.com/detail.cfm?id=415 |
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Post by rapidjim on Nov 20, 2009 12:12:23 GMT -5
themathclub "lol roketa may have a bashan motor, but a bashan motor does not = a peace bike. our bikes are built using awesome sauce components, i dont know about roketa, i havent had a chance to take one apart. "
thecableguy "I assume that I have a Bashan bike because the manufacturer label under the seat says so and my VIN says so... LHJ = Bashan"
All the Roketa 50cc bikes, we have sold, have a LHJ VIN number. Verified by copies of MCO, being a B&M Dealer we are required to keep them by State law. So, that means they were made in the same factory as Peace, am I not correct?
Jim
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Post by rapidjim on Nov 20, 2009 14:14:13 GMT -5
Hmmmmmmm. I went back through this tread and I may have been dreaming but I could have sworn that one of the replies from the guys at greenearthscooters said something about a 44mm piston, but the reply is gone. Did I dream that or was it there?
Jim
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Post by tortoise on Nov 20, 2009 15:27:24 GMT -5
I could have sworn that one of the replies from the guys at greenearthscooters said something about a 44mm piston In reply #11, tstubbs posted the term "oversized pistons". Not playing by the rules may have consequences. |
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Post by tstubbs on Nov 20, 2009 17:01:39 GMT -5
well if it had exceeded 50cc's it would have been denied in customs and sent back then. you guys are reading too much into this.
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Post by thecableguy on Nov 20, 2009 17:48:55 GMT -5
thecableguy "I assume that I have a Bashan bike because the manufacturer label under the seat says so and my VIN says so... LHJ = Bashan" All the Roketa 50cc bikes, we have sold, have a LHJ VIN number. Verified by copies of MCO, being a B&M Dealer we are required to keep them by State law. So, that means they were made in the same factory as Peace, am I not correct? Jim Jim, I think you are correct. Going to the NHTSA website and looking up LHJ you get "Chongqing Astronautic Bashan Motorcycle Manufacturing Co Ltd" www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/manufacture/On a personal note to Rapidjim... P.S. Had lunch last week at Hacks just down the street. Good burger! Sorry I didn't stop in but work was calling...  |
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Post by rapidjim on Nov 20, 2009 21:47:48 GMT -5
Cableguy: Hey would have been nice to see you. I take it all is well with the scooters still. Tortoise I saw that, but I could have sworn there was a shorter post referring to the size being 44mm, oh well. tstubbs I don't see how we can be reading to much into it when your direct quote in reply #11 states "but when they taylor build for their own brand, you get better results.(like oversized pistons and advanced timing, better frames and components and a variator based speed restriction) hmmmm." then reply #19 "well if it had exceeded 50cc's it would have been denied in customs and sent back then. you guys are reading too much into this. " You can not tell me every scooter is broke down by Customs to measure the bore. I don't pretend to know all the in and outs of Customs nor everything about Scooters and Manufacturers, but I am not new to the scooter world, nor the business world ( my business est 1993), personal mechanic skill experience over 40 years, and I do research before opening my mouth. I have seen 62cc scooters being passed as 50cc (actually 49.7cc). Lets also not over look the 30 MPH limit on Mopeds in a lot of States, even tho most of us know it isn't enforced everywhere. I also assume (damn I hate that word) you have seen big bore kits advertised for "off road use only", and we all know that is to protect the seller, 50cc Street Scooters are not for off road, but what the customer does with these parts is his business, for all I know the kits I have sold, the customer reregistered the scooter according, then again I doubt it. No difference than putting headers on a street car/truck, in most States modification of the exhaust system is illegal, but how many vehicles have them on the roads today? scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=discussion&action=display&thread=2733246MPH out of a Stock 50cc Scooter with only variator mods? If this is true, the hell with big bore kits, please PM me with the price on this variator and where to get it, so I can make some customers in my area really happy. Jim |
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Post by cyberbeer65 on Nov 20, 2009 23:20:44 GMT -5
lets be fair here, if you want a slow, boring bike that costs double, or triple what a chinese bike costs, and is pricey to upgrade, get a metro or a ruckus. if you want maximum bang for your buck, and can figure out basic mechanics, china scoots are better.. its mac vs pc, you can have stability and a hard time modding, or you can have some instability and ease of upgrade. all at vastly differing price points. that being said, i work in this business, i have worked in this business for years, and trust me when i tell you that going off half cocked about how all the companies are the same shows only your own ignorance (this is for everyone under that false impression) i used to be of the same mind, but i promise, that business practice, ethics, and quality of products differs from one brand to another DRAMATICALLY. bashan makes engines, for losts of companies, but our bikes ONLY come from our factries under our quality control, building them more consistently, across the board. get a bike from sun l, then wait 6 months and get the same bike, and even within their own lines there will be massive quality and standardization differences because they buy, in bulk, at the lowest price. not even going into their business practices, since i used to WORK for them, i can tell you that there is a night and day difference between our product and theirs. 95% of our problems come from a lack of pdi. since i posted a pdi on the website that ge uses, my phone calls have all but stopped and most of the calls i get now are for replacement parts due to operator error, ie wrecking, starting off the center stand etc. so to sum it up i guess id say please do you homework before you make broad stroke assumptions about different companies and an industry that most people know very little about. i learn new things every day about this business, and to be called educated, i would suggest doing the same After some minor bullcrap, I'm loving my Chinese piece of junk now! evosales.com/pd-save-gas-scooter.cfmThanks Scoot Dawg for getting me through this! |
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Post by ILLGotti on Nov 21, 2009 23:48:41 GMT -5
OMFG, you guys... I mean seriously? Half of you work for a freaking scooter company... Talk about some biased b/s opinions.
themathclub: Are you kidding me? You say let's be fair here, but your 100% biased. Obviously you think your peace scooters are something they are not... "It's MAC vs PC, you can have stability and a hard time modding, or you can have some instability and ease of upgrade" you are HILARIOUS!
AND THEN you say "trust me when I tell you that going off half cocked about how all the companies are the same shows only your own ignorance" who do you think you are??? Calling people ignorant who own an exact dupilcate of the scooters your selling. You need to re-evaluate who your talking to.
It's obvious you guys are trying to push your peace scooters. They are NOT anything better than a Roketa or Tank. Don't try to mislead the public into believing they are getting somthing special when they are buying an IDENTICAL product.
RapidJim: +1 for you for being unbiased, and level-headed. It's a shame these guys are trying to discredit your product and act like their idential product is something special.
The funny thing is you guys have only been registered members for a few months, and your acting like your the authority on this. LMAO! You guys are a joke.
And calling a HONDA RUCKUS a slow and boring bike show's who really is ignorant. The Ruckus' in my club will smoke you.
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Post by "Big Guy" on Nov 22, 2009 1:15:44 GMT -5
Well my livelihood depends on china scooters for new sales and premium brands for repairs and my philosophy has always been the same, even before I was a dealer - If you can afford a premium brand, get one, if not, buy Chinese! There is no comparison between premium and China, period! Even the small frame China Vespas and SYMs don't compare!
As for the Bashan scooters? Sorry guys, but I don't see the quality you're talking about! QC is no better than most other brands and considerably less than some. We have PDIed two in the last month, one was a Peace drop-ship, and both would have never made 10 miles out of the crate.
Now for those who can't afford premium brands or dealer supported scooters? Like I have always said, a China crate scooter, when properly PDIed and serviced regularly will give you many miles and smiles!
My current personal rides are a VOG 260 and a Honda Silverwing. I like them both equally and both serve different purposes, but both are equally dependable. The VOG had eight hours of service and upgrades when it was traded in and the Honda had none. The VOG will probably go 25K miles before the first teardown and the Honda, 75K - therein lies the difference.
Durability is what makes premium brands better than China scooters, however, China scooters are more fun because we get to tinker around with them!
-Rich
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Post by 1smf on Nov 22, 2009 9:19:04 GMT -5
Got to agree it seems this thread is more like which Piece of Sh!t is less of a piece of sh!t than the other. Pretty funny.
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Post by rapidjim on Nov 22, 2009 16:42:43 GMT -5
Thank you ILLGotti for the kind words, I try to be as level headed and unbaised as I can and only give examples that I can personally back up. As i have said before, We have been quite happy with Roketa's products and so have our customers, otherwise we would have dumped them and gone with someone esle.
Big Guy, as usual you hit the nail square on the head. My livelihood is also baised on China Scooters for new sales, even tho it is only part of my business it does help to pay the bills. Not everyone can afford a "premium scooter", just like not everyone can afford a Cadillac. For the price, I still contend they are a great buy.
No matter where you buy, online or B&M, those of us that have been around have always and will always say, PDI PDI PDI!!!!!!!
Jim
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Post by beat4kings on Nov 22, 2009 17:08:52 GMT -5
My moped has been one of the best investments I've ever made. I t is super fast and oh so fun to ride! Does anyone have a scooter/moped that goes at least 50 mph? I'm looking onto upgrades, does anyone have any ideas on increasing speed a lil more? Attachments:
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Post by ILLGotti on Nov 22, 2009 21:11:31 GMT -5
An Aprilia Sr50 Factory Ditech will do 55mph+ off the showroom floor. Of course it's like the best 50cc scooter you can buy...
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Post by "Big Guy" on Nov 22, 2009 21:43:48 GMT -5
An Aprilia Sr50 Factory Ditech will do 55mph+ off the showroom floor. Of course it's like the best 50cc scooter you can buy... Yeah... if and when they work! The fuel pump and mixture issues the Sr50 has been plagued with leave a lot of folks wondering why they spent $3600 on a 50cc scooter! Now the 09s with the Piaggio engines seem to be problem free... -Rich |
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Post by ILLGotti on Nov 22, 2009 22:00:46 GMT -5
haha! I ride with a few of them and none of them have any problems...
and where are you getting $3600?
They go brand new for $2900
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Post by "Big Guy" on Nov 22, 2009 22:42:33 GMT -5
haha! I ride with a few of them and none of them have any problems... And I know a lot of WinBlow$ users that also never have any problems too  Sorry Bud, but the problems I stated are well known to mechanics. Okay, so you're telling me that you can take $2900 and go to your local Aprilla dealer you'll ride off into the sunset? Not likely... $3600 is closer to the price tag out the door... Base price is $3100 BTW. -Rich |
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Post by als01seville on Nov 22, 2009 23:42:09 GMT -5
HI Beat4kings, Without getting into the engine going to a bigger front sprocket will give you a little more mph but you can only go 1 or 2 teeth more and then you may have to grind down a little off the case to fit the bigger sprocket. For the rear you have to go Smaller Sprocket again on a couple teetch difference otherwise you will loose to much take off speed. The other thing is a performance pipe which are not cheap. The moped you have should do around 38mph, it has the 4 stroke engine. If you can get the sprockets you can pick it up to around 41-42 mph, but 50mph is pushing it for any moped. Even the TOMOS mopeds which has lots of aftermarket performance parts takes some mods to get it mid 40s. So I think low 40s is what you may be able to get to. But the thing is do they make different size sprockets for this china moped.
Alleyoop
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