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Post by azokan on May 13, 2009 14:04:27 GMT -5
Hello,
I am looking on purchasing two scooters and looking for a reputable dealer that I can buy them from online.
I looked into
Scooterdepot.us - But they seem to have a lot of unsatisfied customers. Although I do like their 150CC Mopeds. Any reviews?
Also Countryimports.com - This dealer seems more reputable than scooterdepot, but I couldn't find too much information about them. I also like their stock and prices.
I am looking for a cheap 150cc scooter that is going to last a good amount of time and also a dealer that isn't going to rip me off.
Any input in suggestions would be greatly appreciated as I am new to all this
Your time is appreciated
Thanks, Alex Zokan
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Post by Enviromoto on May 13, 2009 15:19:07 GMT -5
Where are you located?
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Post by rapidjim on May 13, 2009 16:02:23 GMT -5
Dang Jermey beat me too it. I was going to ask the same question. LOL
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Post by azokan on May 13, 2009 16:55:37 GMT -5
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Post by kz1000st on May 13, 2009 17:35:55 GMT -5
Hopefully kliff will pop up and back me up on this www.gsmotorworks.com They deliver quickly, their prices are reasonable, they don't use crap components and they stand behind their warranty. The customer service guy is named John and he cares that you're satisfied with parts and warranty deliveries from him.
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Post by jdikov on May 13, 2009 19:13:49 GMT -5
Hi Alex,
I would be happy to help you out. We have been part of the Scoot Dawg forum since it started and have been one of its top reccommended dealers since that time. We are not a big company but we take the time to make sure our customers are satisfied. We have our own people at the factory monitoring to make sure the scooters are built the way we want them using the better quality parts and also are tested as they come off the line. Up to 30% of the scooters comming off the Znen line are rejected by our engineers and then sent off to some other distributors. We offer a 1 year bumper to bumper warranty on our Motorino scooters and a 3 year powertrain on the Strada scooters.
I would be happy to talk to you about your scooter needs anytime from 8am-8pm EST. Please give me a call or send me an email.
Sincerely,
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Post by Enviromoto on May 13, 2009 19:15:35 GMT -5
I would recommend Jim at Rapid Repair. Support your local dealer.
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Post by azokan on May 14, 2009 0:47:20 GMT -5
Thanks for your help so far.
I guess right now I am extremely confused, if you look on the internet there honestly is an endless supply of dealers. Many of which I think are completely bull****
Can I get a Chinese scooter 150CC for around $1100 bucks that is not a piece of crap and that will last?
There are scooters I like, but since everyone seems to make their own version of it and have a different name, it is impossible to research quality and price. I will look into the sites listed but as always open for more good options and opinions.
Thanks!
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Post by kz1000st on May 14, 2009 5:32:46 GMT -5
This is the scooter that kliff has and has over 1100 miles on with no trouble. That's in a little over a month. Call and ask if you're interested since the site says it ended April 30th. www.gsmotorworks.com/detail.cfm?id=690Someone on Ebay sells the identical scoot under the name Texasbike for $950 shipped, but that's not assembled. They used to be called Awesome ATV. Why they changed their name I can't comment since I never heard any stories.
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Post by kliff on May 14, 2009 17:14:55 GMT -5
Hello, I am looking on purchasing two scooters and looking for a reputable dealer that I can buy them from online. I looked into Scooterdepot.us - But they seem to have a lot of unsatisfied customers. Although I do like their 150CC Mopeds. Any reviews? Also Countryimports.com - This dealer seems more reputable than scooterdepot, but I couldn't find too much information about them. I also like their stock and prices. I am looking for a cheap 150cc scooter that is going to last a good amount of time and also a dealer that isn't going to rip me off. Any input in suggestions would be greatly appreciated as I am new to all this Your time is appreciated Thanks, Alex Zokan GSMW..... those guys got the right prices, and know how to help folks out. If you're gonna buy on the web, GSMW, and EAGLE scooters are the only way to fly! www.gsmotorworks.com/
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Post by azokan on May 15, 2009 19:10:10 GMT -5
Realistically, how long do you thing one of the Eagle 150cc Scooters will last?
Thanks for the replies so far.
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Post by kliff on May 16, 2009 7:08:19 GMT -5
I'm shooting for 10,000 miles before a "top-end" over haul.... about 150.00, then another 10K before anything else major. Oil changes every 1K, keep the valves adjusted, tires inflated, filters clean. Use it, don't abuse it.
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Post by kz1000st on May 16, 2009 10:47:21 GMT -5
kliff is answering from a mechanic's point of view. One member here has over 19,000 miles on a GY6 engine without issue. It all comes down to how hard you flog it and how you take care of it. All the sellers use the same engines, they order different quality components from the Chinese. GSM uses good stuff. I have mine down for some work now and I was surprised to see good electrical connectors and a Japanese carburetor on it. I thought, at the price I would see cheaper items. With other sellers you'd get non-locking connectors and a China carb.
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Post by "Big Guy" on May 20, 2009 14:14:10 GMT -5
...All the sellers use the same engines, they order different quality components from the Chinese. GSM uses good stuff. While they may use the same engines, the internal parts vary extensively. Most, if not ALL drop shippers order cheap builds on the engines, such as chemi-gum rings, low grade steel in the cam, inferior seals and bearings, etc. There is a big difference in price. I can get a GY6 engine built for $300 or $600 - my choice. You either order Japan parts or China parts. With that said, it's best to find a China supplier that has a premium build with good parts and sells only through a dealer network that services what they sell. That is of course, saying you don't like to tinker around and fix it yourself. Two of the three brands we sell are just that, and I have to say, we've sold a few truckloads of Flyscooters and Red Streak bikes since last August and only had a handful of service calls, not counting accidents. You won't find any complaints about either brand on this board - there's a reason why. If you want to buy ridiculously cheap, buy from anyone, but if you want a premium build at a reasonable price with a REAL warranty including roadside assistance, buy a Flyscooter or Red Streak. Fly: www.flyscooters.com/dealer-locations/Red Streak: 888-260-5418 -Rich
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Post by kz1000st on May 20, 2009 20:39:40 GMT -5
I can't say too much after blowing valve springs Rich, but then I was over revving the scoot for 1200 miles so that could have had something to do with it. But you make the point for many with the Fly dealer locator-the closest to me is 148 miles away as a crow flies, actually more like 200 road miles. There's a Kymco dealer 30 miles away and a TNG dealer 85 miles away. I found an Eton dealer about 50 miles away but I'd have to special order since they only stock ATVs. So I have a choice-spend $1200 online or $2500 B & M. Not all dealers in the world have an excellent choice of scoots or reasonable prices like you. Nor do we all have an FX Motorsports around the corner.
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Post by tum on May 21, 2009 17:57:51 GMT -5
Do not put much faith in FlyScooters supposed warranty. FlyScooters wants you to believe they are a better scooter importer than all the others - but have proven otherwise. They just defaulted on one of their first dealers, Ton-Up Motorcycles in Phoenix, AZ, on a verifiable $12,874.59 in two years of warranty related costs and unpaid claims. Ton-Up will no longer sell or provide any warranty related service on FlyScooters product. Now, there is no FlyScooters dealer in the entire Phoenix metro area. If they treat other dealers how they treated us, in my opinion it will only be a matter of time before FlyScooters joins the growing ranks of defunct importers. Glenn Saber owner Ton-Up Motorcycles, Phoenix, AZ www.tonupmotorcycles.com
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Post by tortoise on May 22, 2009 7:52:32 GMT -5
a verifiable $12,874.59 in two years of warranty related costs and unpaid claims Just curious . . what type of Fly scooter deficiencies were experienced? In general, it seems like electrical stator, CDI module, ignition coil, regulator, and connector continuity issues are pretty much a "luck of the draw" situation with ANY China scooter. Valve adjustments and carb cleaning are pretty much routine maintenance.
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Post by kz1000st on May 22, 2009 8:44:06 GMT -5
"what type of Fly scooter deficiencies were experienced?"
Maybe blown valve springs on their 10" wheel models. LOL
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Post by "Big Guy" on May 22, 2009 9:04:37 GMT -5
...They just defaulted on one of their first dealers, Ton-Up Motorcycles in Phoenix, AZ, on a verifiable $12,874.59 in two years of warranty related costs and unpaid claims. Really? You must have sold a LOT of bikes... we have been through a few truckloads of bikes from Fly in the last year and have had very few warranty claims - in fact, our shop does more work on the name brand bikes. Oh, and by the way, we have NEVER had a single issue getting warranty claims processed. They are processed the DAY we make them and the parts are shipped the same day as well. Not nice... glad I didn't buy one from you! No offense man, but if I sell a bike today and drop the line tomorrow, I WILL still service my customer and honor the warranty... -Rich
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Post by tortoise on May 22, 2009 9:14:45 GMT -5
I can't say too much after blowing valve springs Rich, but then I was over revving the scoot for 1200 miles so that could have had something to do with it. More "context" by kz1000st in this thread. "It seems that the springs probably broke because I stupidly didn't read my instruments. The speedo has a redline starting at 50 mph and I was riding there all the time. My scoot has 10" wheels so I was probably screaming the motor even though it didn't sound it."
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Post by kz1000st on May 22, 2009 13:30:14 GMT -5
You know what Tortoise, I admitted my mistake gladly and I won't do it again. When you've been around bikes from infancy like I have ( I'm 57 years old BTW) you know you either learn or keep paying. That was a good retort by the way and I laughed when I saw it. Frankly I just finished fixing the scoot, plastic on and all, and I now know a whole lot more about what makes up a scooter than I did before. I won't be answering questions from a hypothetical stand, I'll be answering from having seen it from the inside. AND I can honestly tell someone with a 10" wheeled scooter where their limits are, because I stupidly did find out the hard way.
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Post by "Big Guy" on May 22, 2009 14:31:31 GMT -5
Not to start a debate here, but the red-line on the speedo means nothing. Red-lines are read from a tach, not a speedo. Speedos are not designed for the engine, they are generic. As an example, I have a Streaker on the floor that has the red-line on the speedo at 50mph, yet when you ride one, 50mph is 6500rpms... red-line on the tach is 7000.
What really causes engine damage is sustained rpms. In other words, riding at 50mph constantly. If you vary the rpms at high speed, you should be fine. Remember, stock CDIs have a built in rev-limiter, so you really can't over-rev one.
-Rich
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Post by scootonover on May 23, 2009 10:09:17 GMT -5
I purchased a Linhai Aeolus 300 and a Linhai Aeolus 150 from www.kickstartcorp.com and had them in less then a week. They both got to me in great condition.
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Post by flyscooters on May 23, 2009 17:09:51 GMT -5
Glenn,
Thank you for that insightful, yet baseless comment. If you have business disagreements with us, please do it privately. I have not spoken to you for months. But posting these comment to ruin our reputation, it only confirms to me more why you should not be our dealer. We have offered you several amicable solutions over the course of almost a year to come to an understanding and move on to continue to do business. I believe acts such as claiming labor warranty credit from as far back in 2006 would be denied by any company out there. In fact, as all Flyscooters dealers out there know, the labor portion of the warranty has always been back by the dealer. We can not accept your excuse that your ex-employees did not keep good records for the past few years for not filing labor claims. If your car broke down and you waited three years to submit a claim to your insurance company would they process that claim? Especially in the format of an excel sheet instead of real paper trail documenting what you have done? Again, labor is backed by Flyscooter dealers. Parts are back by Flyscooters. I have nothing else to say publicly about this matter. If you want to continue discussion, do so privately. I am willing to work with you to help you move ahead, but I will not be forced into what you want with these kinds of tactics.
Leon
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Post by flyscooters on May 23, 2009 17:14:40 GMT -5
one more things, I have made my personal mission to sign up replacement dealers. There are currently two scooter dealerships interested in signing up and carry Flyscooters as soon as the weather drops below 100 degrees. They have already agreed to do service work for Flyscooters riders. If you are a Flyscooters rider and need service, please call us or email me at leon@flyscooters.com for information on these two dealerships.
Leon
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Post by nickiemcnichols on May 23, 2009 17:32:13 GMT -5
Hello, I am looking on purchasing two scooters and looking for a reputable dealer that I can buy them from on-line. I looked into Scooterdepot.us - But they seem to have a lot of unsatisfied customers. Although I do like their 150CC Mopeds. Any reviews? Also Countryimports.com - This dealer seems more reputable than scooterdepot, but I couldn't find too much information about them. I also like their stock and prices. I am looking for a cheap 150cc scooter that is going to last a good amount of time and also a dealer that isn't going to rip me off. Any input in suggestions would be greatly appreciated as I am new to all this Your time is appreciated Thanks, Alex Zokan Alex, I'm curious, why do you think a cheap scooter is going to last a long time? What kind of Economics do they teach in the schools there? I'm not picking on you, but why not get acquainted with a local B&M dealer, and give it a go with him? What could it cost, another 5-600 bucks per scooter, at the most? So what? I'd rather support my local economy than some Joe Blow I've never met. I don't mean to offend any dealers here, but I'm sorry, I don't trust people I've never met with my money like that. My scooter is for transportation and fun, so I depend on it every day. We've got two scooters here, a Lance and a Flyscooter, and we're happy with both, which came from the same store, right here in town. Thanks for reading. Good luck with your purchase, let us know how it goes. Scooterchick
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Post by kliff on May 23, 2009 17:46:24 GMT -5
So, what you're saying is a FLY scooter dealer, must ABSORB all LABOR for warranty issues? You'll cover the parts....but the DEALER, will ABSORB all LABOR fees? You charge about twice the current street price of any other scooter out there, Roketa, EAGLE, etc...., claim your quality makes the value built in.... but your DEALERS, are stuck with the warranty labor. Somehow this doesn't make since. IF they are that good, then YOU should cover ALL warranty expense, due to the fact that it will be so low.... If YOU don't know how to inact policy and procedure to prevent warranty fraud, then maybe you should take a lesson or 2 from any major player, or hire the people that have expertise in these fields, from some of the major players. Sounds like FLY is run on a shoestring, pulled even tighter than most other scooter dealers, and don't really have a clue as to making sure they have a profitable main company, supported by happy dealers. Damn shame... but as long as you can convince the public that the value is there, then go for it. So far we've seen dealer problems in Calif, now Ariz....hmmmmmmm EAGLE looks better to me every day. Cause if the dealer ain't treated right....so it rolls down hill eventually. On the PRO side, for FLY, I have no personall experience, other than have communiques ignored by Leon, and disgruntled dealer, and customer reports as shown on this site, to make any and all comments. Do your own research, make your own conclusions.
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Post by jimh on May 23, 2009 19:34:51 GMT -5
I'm very happy with my Flyscooter and the dealer who sold it to me and have had no warranty related issues whatsoever; the valve adjustment it needed at 500 miles was done by a friend of mine,felliott a fellow scootdawg... any other issues have been easily handled without making a warranty claim. I prefer to work on it myself.
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Post by jdikov on May 24, 2009 14:05:15 GMT -5
The Znen built scooters that Flyscooters sells are for sure a better quality machine than almost all the scooters comming out of China. They are the same scooters as our Motorino line. How do I know what goes into them at the factory? I have hired an American consulting company to monitor production and testing of the scooters right at the factory. Sure it costs more but the end result is a better product, with upgraded parts and far less issues during initial prep. Oh and our dealers also handle the labor part of the warranty. We could offer a labor warranty but then the price of the scooter goes up and in this economy it is hard enough to buy a scooter for many people at the current prices. Maybe in a few years if things turn around it will make sense to charge more and offer it. At any rate you really cannot compare the Roketa/SunL etc... stuff to the Fly/Motorino scooters the former have the factories build them the cheapest possible scooter while the latter pay a hefty premium for better quality. I can pay hundreds less and get a scooter that looks the same on the outside but been there, done that got screwed by Roketa, did not get parts that I ordered etc....
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Post by Cookees on May 24, 2009 18:08:12 GMT -5
I've got to agree with John. A better built scooter simply costs more. And so does a decent warranty. We carry brands that offer a two year parts and labor warranty, and I could, and do, purchase similar scoots without this kind of warranty for about $500 less; and price them accordingly. Different strokes for different folks.
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