Somthing i truely do not understand.

Hi
You are correct as most problems are the same but can be easily solved with some education
Most just jump in without a care or thought of the maintenance and repairs necessary to keep them in top shape
If they just did their homework first most of these problems would never come to pass
Take care and ride safely dear friend
Yours Hank

thats my thing i would love some of these new members to stick around, it extends our knowledge base of truly odd occurrences, but in they come out they go.

my personal opinion only

people just arent the same anymore.

in my day, if there was a forum, or hell even internet, and
if i came in here and asked for help,
i would then feel obligated to help other nooobs.

so by reading alot of stupid threads, and more informative ones
your knowledge grows, so then you can actually help others
when NO regulars are around.
you might be wrong, DEAD WRONG, but your trying to pass on the knowledge, that was passed on to you.

its called a BROTHERHOOD

i was on here a looong time ago, under another name.
i learned lots from some great mechs,
sprocket
edrf
and others.
well they got tired of people arguing, the I KNOW MORE THAN YOU attitude.
and the ANSWER ME NOW I NEED THIS SCOOT NOW FOR W/E
and the more common,,,,, just tell me the answer, i couldnt
care to find the answer for myself, mom and dad always gave me what i wanted, when i wanted it. group

if someone is interested in helping themselves,
i will go outa my way. - but is till dont consider my self skilled-
if i catch attitude i dont care if your scoot runs or not
c-ya


but as you can see,, nowadays, they come in get the answers they need, and disappear,,, until the next time they have a problem.
then they come back.

INSTANT GRATIFICATION and screw helping anyone else

Silentwarrior, I agree with you 100%. I have learned alot of basic maintenance with the help of this board, my common sense, and the wealth of other info posted on the webs. I hope to pass that on.

When I joined this forum I knew nothing about scooters. I still went out out and bought a 50cc Roketa Maui. Through reading what others had to say and by asking a ton of questions, I was able to gain a much better understanding of how scooters worked and how to fix them. That was 2 Roketa scooters ago and now I have a Kymco Super 8 and I am still far from an expert but I feel comfortable enough to handle most repair seven though the Kymco has yet to need anything other than new rollers and oil changes.

Yeah I can see that and noticed, the same

"HELP!!! how do I adjust valves??"
"I cant start, help!"
"battery died where do I get a new one?"
"Where do I buy ____?"

The FAQ and good, just need to post the links to the FAQ, PDI and detailed posts about things like valve adjustment etc

There's SO many things people ask about where to find them, that 60 seconds of search in Google will pull up HUNDREDS of links for that very item!
It's almost like people don't even know Google search EXISTS, and this forum has become a live Google search engine.

I can see someone Googling, finding the part at 5 different sellers, and then coming here and asking WHICH dealer might be the best to buy from, or which of the several kits is right for their particular engine, but you don't get much of that, you get "where do I buy a new NGK spark plug at?"

Get a lot of "Help!! I cant start" posts with virtually no details, pic, video or anything else, "cant start" could be as simple as; out of gas, or as hard as; your engine seized up.

We do have to remember not everyone is a mechanic, and not all of those know better than to buy a Chinese scooter if they have NO mechanical inclination or desire.
Ads selling new Chinese scooters make them sounds like the best thing since sliced bread, FREE this, FREE that, FREE shipping, warrantee etc etc. But as WE all know, you won't likely find anyone to work on Chinese scooters, and you are on your own there, same with the "warrantee" that often isnt worth the paper it's printed on.

Most people are used to buy now, pay later, gas it up and GO, they don't want to know about valve adjustment, PDI's etc. but when it breaks they want an instant fix for it.
I was a scooter newbie 3 months ago, but I HAVE worked on a motorcycle, and have rebuilt car engines, so a lot is familiar or at least in the same ballpark with me.
I may not know all the specific fine details yet about the 139QMB engine but I've learned a lot in here.

Yes, people asking the same questions over and over does get repetitive, and I've seen it before- some of the regulars under constant barrage of newbie questions like that can get irritated, annoyed and snappish, and if that happens maybe it's best to take a break from wading through those particular threads.

On the other hand, Ive seen elsewhere, the regulars who know the things inside and out assume the newbie will know what they mean and what to do when they post a very vague, hasty "how to" response such as;

"replace the valve with a larger one and grind the seat"

Such a response leaves a whole lot of questions you KNOW are going to be asked, like;

"How do I get the head off? How does the valve come out there's a spring on it and it's tight? Can I use vice grips or I need some tool to get it out? HOW do I grind the seat and what tool do I need??"


I think in that example, referring them to a detailed "how to" article via a LINK, not just a "search for it somewhere here" is best.

Now that is a shame & pity... perhaps the Mods has a reason for gradually removing the Docs???

I would suggest, to call out & invite again from those who had indeed contributed sometime ago and now their valuable input/contribution has gone AWOL or MIA... whatever, and when they are resubmitted, someone among the dedicated "ScootDawgs" will need to quickly copy and gather it onto a separate listing away from this forum and saved elsewhere and can easily be referred to or is accessible at a hosted site.

Just my 2 Eurocents.

When the noob tells ya, "i got spark, and gas and compression but this thing just won't start??" scratch head, gotta be missing something...i have the up most respect for sprocket and lefty. If I have any problems I can't figure out, I'll go and look them up. I just did recently LOL!

^^^^why did u change your post, heres the original^^^^


your quite right there greg
but if they NOOB dont try and help themselves
i aint got time for them , either

GIVE A MAN A FISH, HE EATS THAT DAY
TEACH A MAN TO FIND HIS OWN ANSWERS ( FISH)
HE LEARNS SELF CONFIDENCE, RESPECT FOR HIMSELF

but of course asking is the easiest way
and the NOOOB doesnt know that question has been
asked and answered a million times
and is in the LIBRARY section

Is kinda hard to stick around if the noobies find threads like this around. (btw is not a personal attack, just sating the obvious)Yes I understand that is same question asked a thousand different way and yes a forum is a revolving door, but is the level of engagement of the core member that make or break a site.

Is true, most people don't do their homework when buying Chinese scooters I agree with you, but Even if you do your homework when buying a scooter many question are left unanswered even with known name brands, example I have a Kymco 2012 super 8 150, great machine but can you tell me how many HP it has? (no ones knows) or is the odometer in miles or KM? (is in miles but Kymco dealers swears is in KM) If we have issues like that with known brands imagine the noise and confusion with the Chinese counterparts.

So I really understand your frustration with the concept, but if you answer every question sell that POS and get a Honda, Kymco or known brand we are not going to get really far are we?.

This Forum has a great core membership and I have found very well informed and savvy people when it comes to scooters,and I am Looking forward to stick around.

My 2 cents.

A human character flaw unfortunately.

I would find it "gratifying" which most of you fine fellas with your humble and solemn desire to help the newbies as with fellow Dawgs, will agree that a "LIKE" button could serve well when added to this forum as a feature appreciation tool shown when responding to a post or for a given guidance.

This is missing and it erodes the morale as well.

Many forums have this feature and it encourages if not, gives valuable and appreciated incentive for all parties involved to support each other on any given or raised issue or tips to guidance needed for the less techy.

It also allows a helpful member to see if whoever is of the grateful sort of chap when he/she leaves his insignia just by checking the LIKE box of a member at every post in a given thread.

By that, it becomes pro-active interaction and that stimulates more appreciation both ways... does anyone disagree on this? I hope not....hahaaa

My 2 Euro cents of course.

Paso
u piece of Euro trash -- ;D--u know i respect you j/k

its a good idea, but

then you will groups of people
blacklisting people,
theres a lot of Pm's i get
that i just dont answer, cause well......
not mean at me, about others

your such a mediator "aint yinz"-- pittsburghese
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

but thats up to the owners
i wouldnt care, one way tor da odder

Naahhh, that's the initial suspicion but it doesn't & won't work that way... whoever that does that will singlehandedly exit oneself by default and one's own making in no time.... cos its something one just goes with the group or stays "alone' perpetually and become extinct in the forum.

I know how it works... its a psychic strategy btw and it really works... ppl like to see others acknowledge another for whatever good reasons made available and that promotes goodwill in return.

Its a positive approach as well... removes the negativity slowly but certainly. ;D

Had considered that and perhaps, with protocol applied, given this is a family run forum, "Medman" is the better perdon to be informed as he is closer to grassroots level, he can take it up.

However, its the Webmaster that has the brush to apply it most of the time....