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Post by tankcommander on Jul 12, 2007 14:38:15 GMT -5
Riding home for lunch today I saw something that made me want to scream. Perhaps it is due to being a grandfather, but what I saw led me to believe the guy wasn't playing with a full duck.
Older model Kaw road bike, driver in shorts, t-shirt, flipflops. Passenger, shorts, t-shirt, flipflops. I am guessing 8-9 years old wearing what appeared to be the driver's helmet waaay too large.
How could a person ever forgive themself if he had to lay that thing down for some reason, or get wiped out by a vehicle?
Am I just an old codger, or is this the cool thing to do with your son?
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Post by earlwb on Jul 12, 2007 15:01:41 GMT -5
Not me that is for sure. I think it is criminal to let a child ride like that on a motorcyle or scooter.
I see sport bike riders all the time barefoot wearing only swim trunks or a bikini for that matter. No helmet either. And there they are doing stunts on the highway no less.
I see it as an application of Darwin's Principle and they are simply getting ready to remove themselves from the gene pool.
Hopefully they won't take anyone else with them in the process.
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Post by scooterlizard on Jul 12, 2007 15:12:46 GMT -5
Older model Kaw road bike, driver in shorts, t-shirt, flipflops. Passenger, shorts, t-shirt, flipflops. I am guessing 8-9 years old wearing what appeared to be the driver's helmet waaay too large. Tank, I see a lot of that here as well. especially on the weekends with people going to the beach. I wonder what the parent is really thinking sometimes. Ya just have to hope for the best that they get home safe. That would make me scream to. Excuse me, but I will keep my pants on. earlwb, I agree with you on the genetic removal theory. Scooterlizard |
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Post by surfborg on Jul 17, 2007 12:34:56 GMT -5
Tankcommander, I have taken my son for short spins around the block at very slow speeds. I can't even imagine taking him on the highway or even a main street. Earlwb, I recently followed a couple on a sport bike riding through town. The lovely college age lady on the rear was wearing only a bikini. Your right that is very dangerous. I nearly ran a red light staring at her butt.  Surf |
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Post by scooterlizard on Jul 17, 2007 19:27:01 GMT -5
Tankcommander, I have taken my son for short spins around the block at very slow speeds. I can't even imagine taking him on the highway or even a main street. Earlwb, I recently followed a couple on a sport bike riding through town. The lovely college age lady on the rear was wearing only a bikini. Your right that is very dangerous. I nearly ran a red light staring at her butt. Surf Hey, I see that everyday here and you can't not help it either looking at it. A sunburn would be like an ant bite but a roadrash, gross, horrible thoughts. one 3rd degree roadrash(half the road is in your leg) is enough for me. Sorry guys, hate to be a party pooper when I ride, I'm keeping my pants on. Scooterlizard |
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Post by siestarandy on Jul 20, 2007 9:29:15 GMT -5
It really is idiotic, isn't it? Here in Florida it really is unbearably hot most of the year. Thats why they make mesh armor with zipout liners.
I was pitched from a cage years ago and skidded along the gravel for about 50 feet. I ruined my favorite jeans that night. I also had roadrash from foot to shoulder, and I couldn't imagine how much worse it would have been without heavy clothes on.
Fortunately, alot of the Sprtbike riders here wear the gear. The ones who don't are in the minority. Its the cruiser dudes who are the most brainless. Get a clue people. They really need to be shown some pictures of what happens to human skin when it skids along the pavement. Its not pretty! Be safe out there.
Cheers,
SiestaRandy
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Post by simony on Jul 20, 2007 17:49:47 GMT -5
I ride an old shovel as well as an evo wide glide and my roketa I always wear either a leather or the very least a mesh jacket with Eu body armour a loyt of teh newby HD riders with their brand new twin cams, local dealer ship Tee shirts and leather vest have had a pop at me for waring the kit but a mate of mine in the UK ha d almost $ 2000 worth of full sleeve tattoo wiped up the tarmac in a spill and belive me it lost a bit of its alure!
Keep it rubber side down.
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Post by scooterlizard on Jul 20, 2007 18:32:37 GMT -5
It really is idiotic, isn't it? Here in Florida it really is unbearably hot most of the year. Thats why they make mesh armor with zipout liners. Hi siestarandy, I just bought Fieldsheer's High Flow Mesh Jacket and Fieldsheer Titanium Air 2 Pants. I don't get hot in that at all. Most of the body armor is removable if you have to handwash it. The jacket comes in several colors, the pants come only in black. I am very happy with this apperal. The protection is in all the right places. I royally hate roadrashes. The cruiser dudes are about half naked around here to. muffler burn don't feel to good either. Scooterlizard www.motorcyclegiant.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=471%2D5320&CartID=www.motorcyclegiant.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=471%2D72330fs&CartID= |
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Post by kmtsmom on Jul 20, 2007 19:56:49 GMT -5
Hey Scooterlizard, I have the FieldSheer High Temp Mesh Jacket and thinking about getting the FieldSheer pants for the fall. My Jacket didn't come in as many colors but it came in Women's sizes and It is longer in the back than many of the jackets. I am long waisted and the first jacket I ordered from First Gear rode way up my back in the sitting position. I wear it every time I go out. I like my skin. I am an EMT and I see accidents where people loose part of their skin or body parts because they were stupid. Heck one of my co-workers just died on his motorcycle when a lady pulled in front of him (She never saw him) He died of internal injuries. He had all his protective gear on though. Some things we just can not prevent. Around here the worst offenders of not wearing enough protection are the young guys on cafe style bikes. I see them in shorts, short sleeves and tennis shoes speeding and popping wheelies. By the way here is a picture of my coat.  Deb |
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Post by scooterlizard on Jul 20, 2007 20:27:51 GMT -5
I have the FieldSheer High Temp Mesh Jacket and thinking about getting the FieldSheer pants for the fall. My Jacket didn't come in as many colors but it came in Women's sizes and It is longer in the back than many of the jackets. Women's riding apperal is tough to get fitted right. To much taper in certain places that don't wear right when you ride. I went with the mens jacket and pants, much better fit. I have the straight line figure and women's apperal just doesn't get it for me. Jackets are suppose to fit close to your body, not flap in the wind or be so tight that you can't zip it up or move your arms. The overpants are usually one to two sizes bigger than what you normally wear. You want to be able to slip them on over what you are wearing and be able to sit on the scoot with out something in a bind. The pants are going to be a little long, so when you sit down the cuffs should be at your ankle not your shin or knee. Another nice feature the about the fieldsheer apperal is the jacket and pants have zippers where you can put them together and the jacket will not ride up. Motorcyclegiant.com did me right on my riding gear. Scooterlizard |
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Post by sunshinecma on Aug 14, 2007 8:48:56 GMT -5
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Post by scooterlizard on Aug 14, 2007 19:44:21 GMT -5
I agree with you on that one. Unfortunately things where already against the young lady before the accident. Improper clothing was a major factor. I have to give her credit for wearing a helmet but the rest was just plain stupid. I don't care if I look like a power ranger going down the road at least I have some chance of keeping my hide on. Maintaining a safe speed should be a no, ifs, ands, or buts about it at all as well. This may sound gross but it's the truth, the road rash that I had took about 6 months to even skin over, the scar was hidious on it's on as well, it was highly visible until I got into my late twenty's. Now for the real truth, speed was some factor, improper clothing was a factor, wearing shorts no shoes, the mechanical culprit was a bicycle. My foot slipped off the pedal and I went down and slid for about thirty feet on my left leg. I lost the hide between the knee and the ankle and on my butt. And yes it hurt sit down. Also took out the left elbow as well. The lesson here is no matter what you ride, keep your clothes on. The only one that needs to see the shiny parts is your spouse, significant other, and your doctor. Scooterlizard |
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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 15, 2007 15:47:34 GMT -5
Until recently, I've never really been one to care about riding gear. I always liked the scooter for that reason, no gear required in my state. Even with that said, I'd never put a child on a scooter or bike with basicly no protection. If I wanna take a chance of hurting/killing myself on a bike without gear, that's my stupid choice as an adult. Making that choice for a minor is absolutely riddiculous.
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Post by scootermikie on Aug 29, 2007 11:53:55 GMT -5
I just learned that some states require a helmet on ALL 2 or 3 wheel motorized vehicles whether you only have a permit or a license. In Minnesota you don't need to wear a helmet with a license. I'm thinking I'll wear a helmet even after I get my license.
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Post by newc77 on Aug 29, 2007 21:44:22 GMT -5
Ohio: permits must wear helmet and new riders too. No helmet law after that. Me, I'm sticking with my full face bucket forever. My face might not be all that chiseled or great in profile, but I like it like it is! Having had road rash from just a bicycle more than once in my life, I wouldn't want to imagine the effect from a scoot fall if I did not have on long pants and my jacket with armor at the speeds my scoot can go.I prefer riding to the ER or to limping!!!
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Post by kink on Jul 30, 2008 8:37:11 GMT -5
I always wear a leather motorcycle jacket, full face helmet, kevlar gloves, high top hiking boots and long pants when riding my scoot. My wife has a half helmet and I took the scoot for a spin wearing her helmet (we are the same size) one time and DID NOT like it. I feel a lot safer in the full face.
Sometimes I have a hard time convincing my wife to wear her leather jacket and proper shoes. She always wears her helmet but if I'm just driving her down the street she'll sometimes wear flip-flops and a light sweater. I've been telling her that isn't a really good idea but she is stubborn. Perhaps I'll get her to read this story...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2008 17:44:31 GMT -5
... I think it is criminal to let a child ride like that on a motorcyle or scooter. ... In fact it probably is criminal (child endangerment). |
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Post by mortar235 on Jul 30, 2008 21:24:02 GMT -5
Riding home for lunch today I saw something that made me want to scream. Perhaps it is due to being a grandfather, but what I saw led me to believe the guy wasn't playing with a full duck. Yea putting the kid in that kind of danger was stupid. But how exactly do you play with a "full duck"? lol sorry i had to say it |
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Post by phaze on Jul 30, 2008 21:26:18 GMT -5
ive alredy ate pavement when im on my honda i wear gear when im on my scoot its jeans sneaks and helmet[ff] as im toolin thru town or back country road, i learned how to ride so i am comfortable with my attire.
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Post by josetann on Aug 2, 2008 17:44:26 GMT -5
Riding home for lunch today I saw something that made me want to scream. Perhaps it is due to being a grandfather, but what I saw led me to believe the guy wasn't playing with a full duck. Older model Kaw road bike, driver in shorts, t-shirt, flipflops. Passenger, shorts, t-shirt, flipflops. I am guessing 8-9 years old wearing what appeared to be the driver's helmet waaay too large. How could a person ever forgive themself if he had to lay that thing down for some reason, or get wiped out by a vehicle? Am I just an old codger, or is this the cool thing to do with your son? Not trying to stir anything here but... How do you know the age of the child? If they were wearing a full-face helmet, it'd be even harder to tell. Maybe they're a teenager who hadn't fully hit puberty yet, or just had a petite build. I dunno. But that leads to my next question, at what age would it have been ok? If the child was 12? 13? 16? Like I said, just curious, not trying to flame or whatever. At least they were wearing a helmet. If it was a full-faced helmet I'm guessing it'd be hard to tell for sure if it was too big or not. If it was an open faced helmet, then it wouldn't be too hard. Or maybe it was so large it was heavily tilted to the side? I'd also be interested where this was witnessed. I'm guessing it was on a busy major highway. If it was on an old country road where you can count three chickens and a horse go by for every vehicle, then that's different. I have three younger brothers and a younger sister. One's over 21 so he's an adult, the others are much younger. Here's what I'm comfortable with: Youngest brother was about 5-6 when he rode with me on my scooter. I said he absolutely had to have a helmet, well they found a bicycle helmet. I said ok. We rode around their yard and driveway, I don't think we ever got to the road by their house. Second youngest brother was about 8-9. He had what I think was a used motorcycle helmet. We rode the back roads, hit the main road for maybe 1/2 mile (just to go from one back road to another). The main road there isn't very busy, we may have met a car or two, or we may have met none, I don't remember. When we got back I noticed he had put on old shoes with holes in them, I told him he needed to wear better shoes next time we rode (for safety reasons). Sister was 12. My wife's XL helmet fit her (I think they're sized small, they're a bit snug on us but fit my sister fine). I've taken her on main roads, and even short stretches of the interstate. Always wears jeans and a helmet, and gloves when I remind her (I think she purposely forgets sometimes). Anyways, I don't make them suit up in full armor when they ride. I do try to make sure they are wearing appropriate gear for the situation. Riding a scooter around the yard is pretty much like riding a bike (far as speeds are concerned), so I let a bike helmet slide. Riding on major roads requires a minimum of good shoes, pants, gloves, and a DOT helmet in good condition. Of course, I think part of the problem is the image a scooter conveys. Motorcycles conjure images of full attire, scooters conjure images of riding in a t-shirt and shorts. People think they're more like toys, thus you can't get hurt on them. Plus they see everyone else dressed like that. |
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Post by gy6rocket on Aug 4, 2008 0:24:24 GMT -5
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Post by bravobravo on Aug 24, 2008 0:56:34 GMT -5
No helmet law in Arizona but you must wear eye protection, no gear law either. I wear shorts a lot during the this summer. Its 110 degrees+ and I work in a shop that isnt any cooler just minus the sun... But I do wear jeans as well. Just be careful and pay attention, a good motorcyclist is always looking for an escape route all the time and I try to keep that in mind all the time. I do wear a helmet all the time though!
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Post by nickiemcnichols on Aug 24, 2008 4:25:34 GMT -5
Well, I for one would never want to try and play with a half duck, or a partial duck. That would be stupid.
It urks me to see dangerous things like this too. I hate seeing a bunch of kids in the back of a pickup driving around town. Out on the farm, that's one thing, but not appropriate in the city. I should have a dime for every time I rode in the back of my Father's pickup going down a country rode, standing up with my face in the wind. (Was I getting ready for scooter riding?)
scooterlizard,Thanks for the tip on suit fitting, my build will not fit into a woman's size suit anymore, either (dang it) so when I get enough cash for a jacket, it will have to be a men's size for me, too.
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Post by deaconblues on Aug 26, 2008 23:14:54 GMT -5
My son is 8 years old. No way in the world is he going to be on the back of my scooter. I don't care if he's wearing an actual TANK. He's not getting on, and wouldn't be even if it were legal here (it's not...you have to be able to touch before you're allowed to ride on the back of a 2-wheeler in our state).
He's disappointed that he won't be getting a scooter ride any time soon, but he's also safety minded. Although helmets are optional in my state, and I have literally NEVER seen a scooter rider wearing one (precious few motorcycle riders, either), he's made me promise him that I will never ride without a helmet.
That's a promise I intend to keep!
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