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Post by pconsolini on Sept 20, 2007 12:35:01 GMT -5
Anyone know where the radiator is located on a Honda Foresight? My Baron PM250 is supposed to be a clone of that body style and the radiator is located behind the gas tank which doesn't seem to be an ideal location. I've been searching for a service manual that would how the cooling system is laid out but to no avail.
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Post by scooterlizard on Sept 20, 2007 14:13:37 GMT -5
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Post by scooterollie on Sept 20, 2007 14:48:58 GMT -5
pconsolini; Depends on which Chinese assembler builds the 250 in this body style. I have a Roketa Bali 250 assembled by Bashan Astronautical and the radiator is behind the gas tank. Others have ones with the radiator in front of the tank, in back of the grille just behind the front tire. There was discussion on this topic here some time ago. If everything in your cooling system is functioning properly, the scoot will cool OK. It stands to reason, though, that the radiator would get more air flow while under way if it were immediately behind the front tire. The electric cooling fan will do the job adequately.
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Post by monty57 on Sept 20, 2007 15:33:30 GMT -5
Scooterollie,
Very interesting that your Bali was put together by Bashan. That is who built my Roadrunner. I wonder why they locate the radiator behind the tank on the Bali and in front of the tank on the Roadrunner? Basically the bodies are almost identical. I wonder why there is such a difference in frames from they same plant?
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Post by scooterollie on Sept 20, 2007 18:39:11 GMT -5
Monty; In China, who knows!
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Post by T W I S T E R on Sept 20, 2007 19:19:24 GMT -5
Hey, you are so helpful to everyone, I just gave you one. Also, that is one great looking scoot you got there. I love the color. what breed is it ??
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Post by monty57 on Sept 20, 2007 19:20:19 GMT -5
Yep, you've got a point.
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Post by scootindan on Sept 23, 2007 21:21:46 GMT -5
Paul, a while back I posted a PDF file to the Yahoo Groups Baron 250_pm forum. autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/baron_pm250/files/Tech bulletin-radiator baffle.pdf On the second page you will find an illustration showing that the Foresight 250 has the radiator behind the fuel tank. It was designed to have baffles around the radiator to direct air into the radiator and a baffle behind to direct air out the vents on each side in the rocker panel. I just recently installed my own set of partial baffles and it has helped considerably. My TrailTech Vapor temp sensor installed in the cooling system shows that the temp has not exceeded 215 degrees (f) since and the regular gauge needle has not been in the red. 230 degrees (f) seems to be a generally accepted point at which liquid cooled motorcycle engines are over heating. My issues now seem to be with fuel delivery. The scoot will stall out when run at 55 to 60+ MPH (again, confirmed by my Vapor computer, this would read as 68-74 MPH on the built-in speedometer of most of these clones) for more than 15 minutes. It will restart but will not rev above 1800 RPM. The guys at Baron HQ are working on this. Much as I like the ergonomics, style, and comfort of this scooter, it has not been performing as reliably as I could wish. Around town it's been a champ but on the open road we have problems. I bought a new Yamaha Majesty (400 lovely cc) a month ago and now have a much better idea of what build quality and performance SHOULD be. The Chinese do have a ways to go to compete at this level. Still, I have become quite fond of that Baron 250 and would love to have it running reliably. Dan Jones
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