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Post by scooterdad on Jun 6, 2007 18:46:42 GMT -5
Heres question for Race 250 owners. Does anyone actually have one that will go 85 MPH like there ad says. All I can get out of mine is 67 MPH and that on my GPS. I guess I don't need to got 85 but if it can't do it they should,t advertise that it can. Their ad also say that it has adjustable rear shocks and it doesn't. I told them about that 2 week s ago and I was told that they would change it but it's still on the add. So do your research and ask question on the forums before you buy.
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 6, 2007 18:56:16 GMT -5
The OKO's are an excellent shock however, the spring is too stiff on them. The real advantage with the OKO is they are length adjustable. The Touring models use a longer shock than the RR250, and the MRP shock is about 1/2" longer than stock RR250 shocks. The Touring 250 will not be able to use either shock because the left and right shocks are different (at least on the Tank model of the Touring body). I'll put the fitment information in one of the RR250 articles. Part 2 of that series may be posted this weekend, but if not, early next week. Stan scooterdad, thanks for the reply and I'm glad to hear your enjoying it. I can't wait to get my Race 250, unfortunately it will be a little while yet. Reading your comments has me thinking I might have to do the same thing. I also find the ones on my wife's Bandit very firm. If it's not too much trouble some pics of your ride showcasing the new shocks would be appreciated. Stan, once you are in a position to evaluate the new adjustable shocks from MRP I would appreciate a review, maybe even a comparison to the MRP OKO Adjustable Shock Set you carry. Would you be able to tell me if either may work on a Bandit XC-150z with the 150cc GY6 engine? I will exchange the ones on the Bandit first and maybe try the old ones on the Race 250, to see if they are a little smoother since it will be a heavier scoot. Andi |
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Post by westcydr on Jun 6, 2007 19:01:55 GMT -5
And my update for today: still no tracking information. I guess the lesson here is if you are going to get a Roadrunner, you should go direct to EVO..
****CORRECTION**** just got the right tracking #, and the scoot should be here in the AM.... I feel alot better now...
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Post by Javarod on Jun 6, 2007 21:59:11 GMT -5
I have e-mailed the twice through their website and didn't get a reply either time. I'm going to call tomorrow and find out whats going on with my parts and report back here tomorrow be it GOOD or BAD. Stay tuned Hmmm, website form, or website email link? If its the former, it wouldn't be the first time I heard of the website eating them, they seem a bit prone to bugs now and then, old fashioned email tends to be far more reliable. |
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Post by monty57 on Jun 7, 2007 20:56:40 GMT -5
I have communicated with Evo on several occasions both by e-mail and phone. The return time usually is directly proportional to their work load. Most have been returned within 24 hrs and in the case of phone calls, I have either had an immediate pick-up or when I have left a messages I usually get the return late that day or the next day.
I think like most businesses the time that allows for returning phone calls and e-mails are usually late in the afternoon. Remember they are in CA and late afternoon for them could be 6:00 to 8:00 PM for you depending on your time zone. I have receive calls from them during these hours.
Some patience on our part can go a long way. Once again these are small operations and they are trying to keep many customer happy. The low overhead operations help keep the bikes coming to our doors for less $2500.00. If you have ever shipped anything you know that the costs keep going up and are even higher with "Fuel Surcharges" tacked on. Considering these thing are coming all the way from China, I am still amazed they can maintain any level of service, get you a decent product, give any kind of support after the sale and manage to keep the lights on at the prices they are charging.
Being in a business myself that I deal with the cost of trucking everyday, and sell products in a competitive market, my hat is off to the guys bringing us the goods at such a competitive price.
I have said if before, I'll say it again, if you want Yamaha/Honda/Suzuki quality with a full service department, several mechanics on staff and parts in every town, spend $5,000 to $6000 and most cases, you will get it. If you want a great value, some "two wheeled" fun and maybe a challenge or two for less than $2500, then this is the way to go!
OK, OK, I'll put my "soap box" away and shut up for now.
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 7, 2007 22:33:47 GMT -5
A very well reasoned and stated post. This applies to many of the scooter sellers. Certainly, there are some who are purely there to grab the cash and run, but those are generally not participating in these forums, and you can always find them selling on eBay. If you have a problem, contact the seller to try to resolve it first. If that fails, you have a whole host of remedies to use, but be reasonable and don't get mad or you can't get anything accomplished. These things are supposed to be fun, so let's try to keep it that way. Stan I have communicated with Evo on several occasions both by e-mail and phone. The return time usually is directly proportional to their work load. Most have been returned within 24 hrs and in the case of phone calls, I have either had an immediate pick-up or when I have left a messages I usually get the return late that day or the next day. I think like most businesses the time that allows for returning phone calls and e-mails are usually late in the afternoon. Remember they are in CA and late afternoon for them could be 6:00 to 8:00 PM for you depending on your time zone. I have receive calls from them during these hours. Some patience on our part can go a long way. Once again these are small operations and they are trying to keep many customer happy. The low overhead operations help keep the bikes coming to our doors for less $2500.00. If you have ever shipped anything you know that the costs keep going up and are even higher with "Fuel Surcharges" tacked on. Considering these thing are coming all the way from China, I am still amazed they can maintain any level of service, get you a decent product, give any kind of support after the sale and manage to keep the lights on at the prices they are charging. Being in a business myself that I deal with the cost of trucking everyday, and sell products in a competitive market, my hat is off to the guys bringing us the goods at such a competitive price. I have said if before, I'll say it again, if you want Yamaha/Honda/Suzuki quality with a full service department, several mechanics on staff and parts in every town, spend $5,000 to $6000 and most cases, you will get it. If you want a great value, some "two wheeled" fun and maybe a challenge or two for less than $2500, then this is the way to go! OK, OK, I'll put my "soap box" away and shut up for now. |
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Post by monty57 on Jun 10, 2007 19:18:45 GMT -5
I would like to add, when a problem occurs, first calm down and relax. Most are very easily worked out. Second, contact the dealer with a calm, cool collected attitude and expect some delays. I have been guilty myself of wanting instant gratification when I am having a problem but in most cases, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. These things, usually will take a little time and lot of patience. Remember to treat the guy on the other end the way you want to be treated and in most cases you will not be disappointed. Start at him like a "charging, mad bull" and things are going to go down hill quickly.
I believe Stan is right when he says most of the dealers are trying very hard to get it right as I think most of them believe "service drives sales" but remember they are small companies and they are human. Give them a break and try to work things our in a civil manner. If after this you find the guy is not trying there are many others routes to follow but always try to get it worked out like adults first.
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 11, 2007 8:38:52 GMT -5
Good points Monty.
Something that many may not realize is that the scooter industry has improved imensely in the last couple of years. Tank was probably as guilty as anyone of creating the "hit and run" dealers that sold on places like eBay and disappeared when customer service was needed. In Tank's defense, they also were the ones that stopped enabling these dealers. Unfortunately, Tank has still not cleaned up their own act, but that's another story.
There are some very good legitimate dealers out there, and they are taking notice of the information on the various forums and even participating to some degree. This is all good for the end user as well as the dealer, so when they do participate, bashing them to death is a bad idea. Remain calm and try to work through your issue. Also, being unreasonable will not get you a replacement scooter. Some dealers have limited technical knowledge, so they may ask a lot of questions to get to the root of the problem, and they may be consulting with someone else to get more information as well (ie the factory or distributor). Certainly, they can't just send you random parts and hope the problem is resolved, so they need to be sure the bad part is pinpointed accurately.
When you need a part, it would be wonderful if all scooter brands had an online parts catalog so you could provide them with a part number, but that isn't a reality yet. So, having a digital camera is just about required these days so you can be clear about what you need. It's improved a lot, and it will get even better, but it does take some time. Stan
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 11, 2007 22:22:53 GMT -5
I installed them about 10 minutes ago. I haven't ridden it yet, so I can't say how they ride, but the colors are so perfect that I don't care! If you have ever installed shocks on a Touring model, you'll be in love on this scooter! Wow, these are so much easier to get to it's a pleasure to install them. I'll let you know about ride, but I like the quality of these shocks. Stan  scooterdad, Ever get any new shocks on you Race 250 yet? Andi |
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Post by Andi on Jun 12, 2007 19:31:43 GMT -5
The shocks look very sporty. It looks like there are two separate springs on each, is there a reason for that. I would be interested in how they ride and which setting you are using on the adjuster.
Would you know if they can work on the GY6 150 (Bandit XC-150z).
Andi
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Post by scooterdad on Jun 12, 2007 19:44:00 GMT -5
Stan, those are the shocks that I put on my scooter. They really work well and are worth the money compared to the stock ones.
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 12, 2007 21:14:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I rode it today and it does help. After installing them, I really didn't care since they looked so cool. ;D I have them set to the softest setting and other than maybe with a passenger, they are great. I'll be keeping these in stock since they are light years better quality than the OEM shocks. Stan Stan, those are the shocks that I put on my scooter. They really work well and are worth the money compared to the stock ones. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 12, 2007 21:21:29 GMT -5
The only reason I know of that may keep them from fitting is length. These are about 12-1/4" on bolt centers. If yours are close, they should work. My TT150 had 13-1/4" OC shocks, so they would drop you 1" in that case, so you'd want to look over any clearance issues before doing that. There are actually 3 springs per shock (one inside the outers). They are all different in strength, so it would be a progressive effect rather than more linear. I doubt the inner spring does much at all. Stan The shocks look very sporty. It looks like there are two separate springs on each, is there a reason for that. I would be interested in how they ride and which setting you are using on the adjuster. Would you know if they can work on the GY6 150 (Bandit XC-150z). Andi |
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Post by scooterollie on Jun 13, 2007 8:30:29 GMT -5
Stan;
What about your TT 250? Will they fit properly on the 10" rear wheel CFMoto drive train?
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Post by Andi on Jun 13, 2007 19:52:04 GMT -5
Stan,
I just measure the shock length on the Bandit 250 and they are only 11 1/2" on bolt centers. They are mounted to the mounting point right after the breather rather then at the very rear as on a lot of the GY6 scoots. Had they been mounted at the rear point, the shocks would have to be 2" longer, but at the same tension also would have been softer.
Are these shocks at 12 1/4" about the same length as the original racer shocks?
Andi
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 13, 2007 21:55:49 GMT -5
Yes, the Racer shock is 12.25 OC and the OKO shock is about 12.5 OC so no real difference in length. Stan Stan, I just measure the shock length on the Bandit 250 and they are only 11 1/2" on bolt centers. They are mounted to the mounting point right after the breather rather then at the very rear as on a lot of the GY6 scoots. Had they been mounted at the rear point, the shocks would have to be 2" longer, but at the same tension also would have been softer. Are these shocks at 12 1/4" about the same length as the original racer shocks? Andi |
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 13, 2007 23:14:25 GMT -5
Bandit wasn't interested in participating in a review of their 250 so I have not looked at them, but, the 250 Touring scooters with the CFMoto engine use different shocks on the left and right, so you need to check that if you are thinking of changing them. Most other scooters use the same shock on both sides, but as I said, I don't know about the Bandit. The RR250 uses 12.25" shocks and they are the same on both sides, but this is a different chassis than the Touring style scooters too. Stan Stan, I just measure the shock length on the Bandit 250 and they are only 11 1/2" on bolt centers. They are mounted to the mounting point right after the breather rather then at the very rear as on a lot of the GY6 scoots. Had they been mounted at the rear point, the shocks would have to be 2" longer, but at the same tension also would have been softer. Are these shocks at 12 1/4" about the same length as the original racer shocks? Andi |
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 13, 2007 23:19:56 GMT -5
No. The CFMoto Touring models use a different mount on the left vs right shock. I have not seen any source for replacing these, but they are adjustable and seem to work ok so I didn't think it was a big deal. These shocks would also be too short on the TT250 as I recall. Stan Stan; What about your TT 250? Will they fit properly on the 10" rear wheel CFMoto drive train? |
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Post by Andi on Jun 14, 2007 9:44:31 GMT -5
Thanks Stan, I actually made a mistake, I wanted to say Bandit 150 with the standard GY6 engine and the chocks on that are 11 1/2". I guess I could probably use the shocks on the Bandit, that 3/4" extra height I could live with and at worst I'll be able to use them on my Race 250.
Andi
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