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Post by johnnyscoots on May 4, 2007 20:37:09 GMT -5
Fellow Dawgs!
The planets, constellations, and galaxies all aligned...the DMV trip went smoothly, it's insured, and I picked it up from the dealer today and put 30 miles on it. Let me give a HUGE shout out to MiniTrailBikes here on Route 30 in Lindenwold, NJ. They actually make shopping for (and buying) a scoot as knowledgeable and pain free as possible. Oops...forgot the camera...
First Impressions: It is far easier to handle than the Burgie even though the seat is noticeably higher. I like the seat height of the Burgie, but prefer the comfort of the Kymco slab. There is also a noticeable weight disparity from P250 to the Burgie. The P250 is about 60+ pounds lighter, but a majority of that weight disparity is felt on the front end...the wheels are 16", but it turns telepathically. There is very litte effort required to lean it, and its lean angle is a little deeper than the Burgie. I've already had two people ask about it...what is it, what size, how much it cost, yadda yadda. I paid $3995 + tax, so my total price was $4300+. Payments are running me about $75/month, and Rider insures the whole kit n kaboodle for only $173/year.
It has no bells and whistles, but they are available if I want them. I am already considering a windscreen (windblast hits you full in the chest) and one of the Kymco top boxes with integrated brake lights and turn signals. There is also the Kymco approved muffler that will be bought once the break in service is done at 250 miles. It probably doesn't need it...from a stop, at half throttle, it is already a match for the Burgie. Chalk it up to lighter weight! The dealer has done "Kymco from the get go" (his exact words) and positively gushes about the quality, and the support he gets as far as parts availability (usually 2-5 days). This dealer (Ken is his name) gave me the full first time owners' break in (he basically tells you the full owner's manual verbatim) and showed me around the bike from front to back. He has one himself, and he can't put into words how awesome this machine is. It is clearly something that you MUST try first...then plunk down the dough for one, because you will want one after you try it. This may just be the first time buyer's brain talking, but I seriously doubt I will need another bike...this is just a very well thought out, well designed, and well built machine. Again, huge Karma for David Harrington for being so eloquent in convincing me to buy a P250 (www.justgottascoot.com) and a HUGE amount of Karma for Ken and the folks at MiniTrailBikes (www.minitrailbikes.com). Tomorrow's forecast: Sunny, 72 degrees. Hopefully I'll remember to bring the darn camera. Enjoy the Ride!
John
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Post by TeamTEOR on May 5, 2007 22:49:20 GMT -5
John, congrats on the great scoot bro!
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Post by tastroman on May 6, 2007 6:59:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the review and congratulations.
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Post by automattic on May 6, 2007 9:33:16 GMT -5
Congrats on the bike. I have a People S 250 myself which is also a very nice bike.
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Post by Andi on May 6, 2007 20:38:15 GMT -5
Great Scoot, congrats. Looking forward to some pics and a review with some miles on it.
I would be curious to find out how it handles on the highway, what kind of cruising and top speed is realistic.
Andi
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Post by johnnyscoots on May 6, 2007 21:08:41 GMT -5
Howdy Andi!
I posted some pics on the "Show and Tell" section of the forum. I haven't taken it out on the highway because I want to get the windscreen first...40mph windblast is kinda annoying, and I can't imagine what 70mph windblast feels like.
John
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Post by lewtwo on May 7, 2007 17:21:10 GMT -5
>> I would be curious to find out how it handles on the highway, what kind of cruising and top speed is realistic. << Ditto! By the way in case you have not run across it, here is the URL for the Kymco People 250 maintenance manual: www.kymco.it/contributi/download/MANUALI_OFFICINA/MO%20P250%20%28inglese%29.zipTurns out that is for the S250 .... but it could be useful.Other folks (Asian and Italian) could take some lessons from Kymco on writing manuals. This is one of the best that I have seen ( despite the way they spell English in the file name).
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Post by Johnny Scooter on Jun 1, 2007 13:05:32 GMT -5
I have a 2006 People 250. I love it. I live in Norhern Virginia and have riden it down the Blue Ridge Parkway to the Smokies. It does longer distances with no problems. I put a topcase on it, so I can carry quite a bit of stuff. I have no problems riding at speed up to 75 mph. The stock windscreen sheds most of the windblast off, and the large tires work well at higher speeds.
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Post by ashley on Jun 1, 2007 15:20:27 GMT -5
I've had mine up to 82, my brother said he's had it up to 85, both of these on the interstate. I must say I had to get used to my 2006 People 250's windshield. I haven't rode a bike until now that had a windshield. I love it though. The acceleration on this scooter is amazingly fast. I haven't been able to try a 0-60 test yet, but I'm going to guess it would hit it somewhere in the 7-8 second range.
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Post by Andi on Jun 1, 2007 23:30:05 GMT -5
Wow on the top speed and acceleration ..... I sooo want one.
Andi
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Post by johnnyscoots on Jun 2, 2007 18:47:04 GMT -5
Howdy Dawgs!
Amazingly, I just passed the 2,000 mile (EDIT: it's 2000km, which is 1200 miles. Crap and Double Crap) mark on my 2007 Kymco People 250. The windscreen makes a huge difference, as the larger bugs hit it before they hit me. I've had it up to 80mph as confirmed by a driver of a Nissan 350Z...he pulled up to me at the local Wawa gas station and said, "Holy S***! That thing's quick off the line!" He'd apparently been tailing me since I left him and the rest of traffic for dead at a stoplight on route 561 in Atlantic County. He thought it was a Vespa, but he seemed interested in the KYMCO name and the fact it gets 90+mpg...
Well, I don't have anything bad to say about it. The windscreen gets rid of practically everything, and it gives my brother's CBR600RR fits from a dead stop. Lewtwo told me about the Italkit big bore, and Matt from scootertrap.com confirmed what I had thought: the 250 engine is the same across the Kymco scooter line, so it should work...just have a good mechanic do the install. Now, if I can pony up the $400 for the kit and whatever labor costs it will incur, I may have a 300cc People that may approach the ton (100mph). Yikes!
Cruising speeds seem most comfortable between 65-75mph. I'm 5'10" and 160 lbs, so I don't think my skinny bum is straining the engine. It does start to...um...vibrate around an indicated 80mph. It feels like the entire bike is vibrating at that speed, but it is a very consistent feeling vibration, maybe just the quirks of a single revving so fast. I still manage to hit the 90+mpg threshold with 93 octane gas, even when I'm not so gentle. Even factoring in the 10% margin of error for the speedometer/odometer, it still works out to over 80mpg...wow.
I'm gonna question the crew over at MiniTrailbikes and see if they'll consider the Italkit 300cc slug. They are currently waiting for an aftermarket pipe for me that should be in between now and the end of the month. For the top box, I'll have to leave it overnight so they can get the wiring done for the turn signals and the brake light...wiring gives me the willys. If you are considering a People 250, just ride it. You'll be an owner in no time...
I can see the wheels turning in my brother's head. He wants to keep the CBR (it is his first), but I'm sure that, considering the two test drives he's had (one with his young son on the passenger's slab) he'd like one. The People sells itself very well. I had considered the People 250S but was not sure if it was worth the extra $400...anyone have one?
John
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Post by automattic on Jun 3, 2007 8:51:06 GMT -5
Yes as stated above I have the S version. I like the styling alot. I also like the retro styling of the non s version as well. The S version has the gas tank in the floorboard and holds a little over 2 gallons, like 2.1 or 2.2. The seat appears to be shaped a little different. The S version has dual disc rotors up front with twin piston calipers on each rotors. This is a nice brake upgrade over the non S version. Also the headlight has twin 35 watt headlights. I think I have about 800 miles on mine and I get around 60 mpg. Are you sure yours is getting 90+ mpg? ? I measure my mpg by resetting the trip odometer when I fill up using 91 octane. Does yours have a trip odometer? Top speed is 80-85 according to the bikes speedo. Have had it reach 90 on the freeway while going down a very slight decline. Here are some pics I snapped when I first got it. people.emich.edu/mjohnson19/
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Post by ashley on Jun 3, 2007 12:16:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd like to know how you're getting that good gas mileage. Even when I'm behaving and taking it easy on my people 250, I'm hardly getting any better than 70-72mpg. That's driving no faster than 60mph on back roads, no interstate, and no fast takeoffs. This version of the people 250 does have a 2.1 gallon gas tank right? If not, then I am wrong...My UM Matrix 150 never got over 75mpg even at wide open throttle. 80+mpg would be sweet.
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Post by lewtwo on Jun 3, 2007 12:49:00 GMT -5
Johhny: Where did you get the windshield, model, etc ?
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Post by johnnyscoots on Jun 3, 2007 12:53:48 GMT -5
Crap. And Double Crap.
The odometer reads in kilometers, so I've been averaging between 90 and 100 kpg, which works out to 56-62 mpg. Crap and Double Crap. Still doubles the gas mileage of the Corolla!
Lew: It was a Kymco piece from the dealer. It was $85 installed, I have to find the bill to get the model #.
John
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Post by automattic on Jun 3, 2007 13:08:11 GMT -5
Oh ok that sounds more like it. The People S has a digital odometer that you can swith between mi. or km. Also has a digital clock, Service indicator, and trip odometer.
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Post by gusset on Jun 3, 2007 17:00:16 GMT -5
Johnnyscoots, I think that vibration at high speed could be the drive belt. If the forums I've searched are to be believed, it's not uncommon on a lot of scoots; Honda, Kymco, the Chinese bikes, and on my Daelim S2 250.
I think that as the miles accumulate and the belt starts to gradually wear, it will become noticeable at lower speeds. I first noticed it after a few thousand miles at near top speed, and now, after ~8000km, it's come down to where I can feel it at an indicated low 70s on the speedo (probably 60-65mph actual). I measured my belt width yesterday, and while it's got a ways to go before hitting the service limit, it is below the nominal range.
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Post by Aaron on Jun 3, 2007 18:21:23 GMT -5
Johnny I agree with Gusset. For some reason be it my days as commercial pilot or tractor-trailer driver I am very tuned in too vibration, noise, and shakes. It drives me nuts. I hate being this way. I could ride a brand new Silverwing and fear it was ready to explode... LOL. That said in all the CVT drive scoots I've ridden I can clearly feel a rumble from the CVT drive at varying speeds. Pretty sure it's due to the cogged nature of the belt riding in the pulleys. I've trained myself to ignore it and have fun.
Aaron
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