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Post by mustang64 on Feb 20, 2008 14:56:34 GMT -5
Out of shear curiosity I decided to see what sccoterdemand.com was up to these days. They are currently in the process of "reorganizing" again! No doubt changing the names to protect the guilty and stay one step ahead of lynch mob.
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Post by mcrofutt on Feb 22, 2008 15:54:50 GMT -5
I wonder if they can stay ahead of ME. I'm going to contact the AG's offices in both Texas and Kansas.
Time will tell...... stay tuned.
Mark
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Post by jonnyplow on Feb 24, 2008 15:28:04 GMT -5
I would like to hear if you have any news too. I bought from them and purchased the extended warranty. those jerks!
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Post by mcrofutt on Feb 24, 2008 21:58:09 GMT -5
I would like to hear if you have any news too. I bought from them and purchased the extended warranty. those jerks! Johnny, Check out this thread from another scoot forum. powerscooters.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1201537719/20#20I hope they get what they deserve. Anybody up for a class-action? I understand that you need 13 signatures. I wouldn't mind bein' on th' list! Mark |
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Post by earlwb on Feb 26, 2008 10:55:43 GMT -5
Are they really in Kansas? Some of the dealers have a fake office in one state, a website in another state, and drop ship from the importer's warehouse in a third state. Thus if they can get the customers to purchase off the internet, they almost never have to go to their fake office to get the mail. Thus internet sales and truck shipping avoid them from getting entangled with the U.S.Post Office federal laws on fraud.
Who has legal police jurisdiction becomes the big issue. There may be some reasons they seem to be based in Kansas, which might be to their advantage.
Plus once one gets lawsuits going, they can go bankrupt, and open later as a new company, and repeat the process.
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Post by "Big Guy" on Feb 26, 2008 13:57:26 GMT -5
Actually Earl, generally speaking you are correct, however, debts arising out of willful misconduct and/or malicious misconduct by the debtor may not be discharged depending on the judge.
In the case of scooterdemand.com and other websites they operate, they willfully sold these scooters with the knowledge and intent not to support or honor the warranties. If proven to the bankruptcy court judge, he may elect not to discharge the suit and hold the principals liable for the damages.
You might have heard stories of people who run up their credit cards just prior to filing, and then the judge exempts recent charges, making the borrower pay them off (Ch 7) as part of the order.
Filing bankruptcy does not necessarily (entirely) relieve you from debt unless the judge orders it so.
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Post by rerun2 on Feb 26, 2008 23:13:03 GMT -5
Hey guys, 250mc54 is on the right track with the bankruptcy matters. Bankruptcy is an AWARD, one that is GRANTED under the order of a FEDERAL Bankruptcy Judge, an experienced adjudicator that does NOTHING else! Regardless of the 'crackdown' on the individuals that make a habit of filing for protection via bankruptcy, The Courts have no patience with perpetrators of FRAUD, which can be both a civil matter and a CRIMINAL matter.
A corporation is an individual under the law, however if it is demonstrated to be an intentional 'straw man' for the purposes of protecting criminal activity, it becomes a NON ISSUE as to its intended status and can actually aid in demonstrating criminal intent.
Others may be better able to go into the fine particulars here, be that as it may... I want to encourage each and every person that has been screwed over by these jerks to make a point of pursuing them legally in every way possible. Please do not let it just fall through the cracks. Join a group to file a class action, do it on your own, whatever, but PLEASE get after these guys!
So much for my rant...
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Post by lancecharming on Apr 14, 2008 20:46:32 GMT -5
Here`s a little tip from my years in law enforcement:
If you`re not 100% sure of who you`re dealing with when buying a scooter- send a personal check through the U.S.Mail. If you don`t get your scooter or they do a bait and switch and send you the wrong scooter, you can go to the U.S. Postal Inspectors and they`ll go after them for mail fraud. You`ll get your money or scooter or someone will go to jail. And the crooked dealers know this. That`s why they prefer credit cards over the phone.
Don`t lsiten to people who tell you to use a credit card and let VISA fight it out for you. 9 times out of 10 VISA will tell you it`s too late. If the transaction is done through the U.S. Mail it comes under mail fraud jurisdiction. The only drawback is that you may have to wait 10 days for your check to clear before they ship your scooter.
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