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Post by crawdad on Feb 7, 2013 15:35:11 GMT -5
This is my first question to the forum- The weather here does not warrant trying to ride in it outside . This scooter is new and never been started .I would like to start it up in the garage and set the carb idle speed etc. Would this operation be a problem, as I can not break in the motor at this time?I would be running the motor only for brief periods . The normal break in will come later when the weather is better!  |
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Post by payneib on Feb 7, 2013 15:49:22 GMT -5
Should be ok. Just make sure you open the garage door for ventilation, or you'll end up asphyxiating yourself on exhaust fumes, which can happen quicker than you'd think.
Remember to let the engine warm up once it's running before you start your adjustments.
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Post by leo on Feb 7, 2013 15:50:01 GMT -5
do not run any type of piston engine in your garage unless the the door is open.
door as in the one you drive the car through.
other than that, no, it shouldn't be a problem but you might not want to do it.
you will have to continually throttle the engine from almost full throttle down to closed throttle
you will need to spend at least 20 minutes at a time on the process and it will take at least 500 miles or more.
the above is my opinion and might not apply to you.
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Post by crawdad on Feb 7, 2013 15:52:59 GMT -5
thanks for the info.That is what I figured but it never helps to get a second opinion.
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Post by prodigit on Feb 7, 2013 17:58:33 GMT -5
Yeah, first break in the engine, before adjusting idle.
After a good 50 miles you can set idle, but more than likely you'll have to re-set it within another 100 to 200 miles.
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Post by skuttadawg on Feb 7, 2013 18:39:59 GMT -5
It is bad to do a long idle when new . The best way is get up to midspeed and go up and down on the throttle , be easy on it going downhill .
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Post by imnts2 on Feb 7, 2013 20:15:56 GMT -5
ON a china scoot. particularly a 150 or smaller, I like keeping it a bit rich and never under full thottle till if sort of gets there easy. It is easy to scuff the piston if she is run to hard and even a little lean.
Skuttadawg is right. Adjusting idle on a new engine is almost a waste of time, of course you need to keep it running.
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Post by skuttadawg on Feb 7, 2013 21:24:30 GMT -5
You can let it idle to where it idles down after warming up to adjust it but not to break it in
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Post by scootnwinn on Feb 7, 2013 21:50:53 GMT -5
Sorry guys running a brand new engine like this to set the idle is just a bad idea. It is also not an effective way to get it right. You need to run it normally until hot to set it properly. It will not warm correctly idling in your garage. Put on your long johns and take her for a ride the adjust the idle
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Post by skuttadawg on Feb 7, 2013 21:53:44 GMT -5
Yes it warms up with riding much more than idle but I was saying not to "idle in " to break it in
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Post by scootnwinn on Feb 7, 2013 21:59:13 GMT -5
Yes agreed and setting the idle on anything but a hot engine is an exercise in futility.
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Post by skuttadawg on Feb 7, 2013 22:03:31 GMT -5
Yeah my 2T idles high when cold but my Echarm with EFI idles the same regardless of the temperature of the engine or conditions
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Post by crawdad on Feb 8, 2013 1:16:53 GMT -5
I sure want to thank all you people for your advice ! Also I appreciate your concern regarding fumes and such,however I am a old mechanic from another time and was aware of that problem. I do have to admit however that there is a couple of other reasons why I am delaying the break in time. I use to own a motorcycle when I was a lad ,oh about 14 or so ,and in those days ,fear wasn't in my vocabulary,but now at my age, I am a little wary about getting on it ,but I keep telling myself that it is like riding a bike and once you've learned to ride ,you never forget, so I want a nice clear day to make my first attempt in more years then I want to remember . Well tomorrow may be the day,I will
keep you advised as to my success what ever day it is,if you are interested .
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Post by payneib on Feb 8, 2013 7:35:14 GMT -5
Lol. When I took my scoot out for its first ride I was so nervous I used the "ten white knuckle grip of death" and pulled a muscle in my back.
Just relax and take it easy.
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Post by payneib on Feb 8, 2013 7:35:25 GMT -5
Sorry for double post.
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Post by shalomdawg on Feb 8, 2013 9:55:50 GMT -5
howdy and welcome to the forum and riding again. i did the same after being disabled for 8 years and still not able to swing the leg over a motercycle if anything is on the seat. you'll find it ok with only the clutch lever being the brake confusion to worry about.
i'm certainly encouraging that first ride and interested in how it goes.
lotsa miles and smiles to ya
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Post by prodigit on Feb 8, 2013 16:24:51 GMT -5
I think breaking in the motorcycle is the perfect moment to start using it already.
Unlike some people who tell you you got to give it all on the first 50 - 100 miles, I get best results with just acceleration and deceleration of speeds under 5, 10, and 15MPH.
Those things you can already do, on a small back street. It's a good way of getting to know the bike, and getting the feel for it.
Only problem is, in order to register it, you'll need a motorcycle endorsement if it's larger than 50cc.
Once you get your tag, I'd say start out with fast acceleration and deceleration. Forget about going at top speed; it'll in many ways ruin the bike.
Fast acceleration is good, top speed is bad for engine break in. And use lots of engine deceleration, or engine braking!
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Post by 500thump on Feb 9, 2013 2:20:00 GMT -5
My trike was broken in during the fall.Its in the shed now, & I run it every few days to keep gas going thru the carb. I have an automatic charger mounted under the seat & a switch in the house. I stay outside when its running. This way I know everything stays good for the spring.
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Post by edfr on Feb 9, 2013 2:39:28 GMT -5
If the dealer did not do a PDI, Change the oil in the Crankcase if the oil that is in there is the oil it came from the factory it is garbage. Put some 10w40 oil it takes only about 3/4 of a quart. Unscrew the Oil plug and fill it up to when it covers HALF the XXXXXXs on the dip stick without screwing it in. If you screw it in it should register and cover all the xxxxxxs on the dip stick.
The rings will seat within the first 20miles or so, just run it up 30-40 mph and do not run it at the same speed for long vary your speeds.
Lefty
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Post by rockynv on Feb 9, 2013 6:41:49 GMT -5
Once you gas it up and start it you are committed to running it. Ethanol really messes small engine fuel systems up if they are not run regularly. Put some Startron in it to stabilize the fuel and don't mess with it until you are ready to ride it in earnest.
If it is a 150 or larger then get your license through MSF taking all the chances on their bikes and on a safe closed course with supervision.
After a bad ladder accident I had not ridden for 30 years and it did take some time to get back in the swing of things. Living in Florida with a year round riding season helped.
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Post by crawdad on Feb 9, 2013 13:30:21 GMT -5
Hi to all- I want to thank all you( guys and gals?) for you excellent advice ,I am truly surprised that so many of you took the time to give your advice.
I am still at square one regarding when I will get around to breaking this scoot in.It would be nice if I could find a volunteer to do the "braking in" but in my city there don't seem to be too many scooterists.
I have decided to wait until I get my Certificate of compliance from the dealer,should be here soon , and then I will get registration and title and plates from DMV ,then I will go for a break in operation.
I have to tell you that this is a Chinese scoot an so far everything seems to be up to par on it but until I put some gas into it and try to get it started ,I am still at square one.I had heard a number of negative things re the Chinese scoot, but I wanted something that I could use as a project and this machine seemed like a good idea as it isn't too big for the space in my garage and I could work on it with out too much standing and bending .Anyway it all went well with the PDI and I was pleased at really how well this machine was put together . The starting and testing on the road will tell the tale .Again thanks for all the good advice .Crawdad!!
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Post by OverReved on Feb 9, 2013 13:58:02 GMT -5
Hi to all- I want to thank all you( guys and gals?) for you excellent advice ,I am truly surprised that so many of you took the time to give your advice. I am still at square one regarding when I will get around to breaking this scoot in.It would be nice if I could find a volunteer to do the "braking in" but in my city there don't seem to be too many scooterists. I have decided to wait until I get my Certificate of compliance from the dealer,should be here soon , and then I will get registration and title and plates from DMV ,then I will go for a break in operation. I have to tell you that this is a Chinese scoot an so far everything seems to be up to par on it but until I put some gas into it and try to get it started ,I am still at square one.I had heard a number of negative things re the Chinese scoot, but I wanted something that I could use as a project and this machine seemed like a good idea as it isn't too big for the space in my garage and I could work on it with out too much standing and bending .Anyway it all went well with the PDI and I was pleased at really how well this machine was put together . The starting and testing on the road will tell the tale .Again thanks for all the good advice .Crawdad!! Ride the Bike. Don't worry about ( breaking in ) that process will happen regardless of you knowing how it works or does not work. If you need to know anything , know that you should avoid wide open throttle or riding at the top of the RPM range of the engine for the first few hundred miles. That's all there is too it. |
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