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Post by boamedt on Dec 9, 2012 11:40:44 GMT -5
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Post by spandi on Dec 9, 2012 11:50:54 GMT -5
Pretty sharp. (let us know how it works out.)
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Post by rockynv on Dec 11, 2012 4:54:02 GMT -5
The difference is just as desribed in the link along with potentially smaller cooling fins which can lead to a hotter running CVT and shorter belt life however the 4 mm larger diameter and ability to close up tighter may give you an additional 5 to 10 mph top speed when the grade and headwind are not too bad.
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Post by boamedt on Jan 1, 2013 18:34:53 GMT -5
So don't get one. Not only was there no performance gains of any kind, after just 20 miles it had 3 deep gashes on the belt side of it!
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Post by scootnwinn on Jan 1, 2013 18:50:01 GMT -5
Wow really? Was it just soft metal or what?
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Post by jazzman on Jan 1, 2013 18:51:50 GMT -5
What a crock, A belt will only rise as high as the SMALLEST WHEEL so having a bigger face plate does not mean squat the Variator also has to be bigger and or match the size of the face plate. And if you notice your Current Fan Face plate is most likely already bigger than your Variator UNLESS you have a performance 115mm Variator.
If they are light weight that means they will bend with the heat and pressure and you will loose top end speed. Get your basic Fan Face Plate they are thick they have a lot of material and just get a Performance 115mm Variator. Measure your Current Variator, if it is OEM it will be just a hair over 4 inches in diamter, a performance one will be approx 4 1/2 inchs in Diameter. Also measure you Fan Plate as well.
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Post by boamedt on Jan 2, 2013 8:35:36 GMT -5
The fan plate is 117 and the variator is an aftermarket Ks 115 mm
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Post by boamedt on Jan 2, 2013 8:36:23 GMT -5
Tops out at 51mph on my calibrated trail tech vapor
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Post by boamedt on Jan 2, 2013 15:59:36 GMT -5
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Post by boamedt on Jan 2, 2013 16:01:27 GMT -5
and got this letter from scooter elements blaming me for careless installation
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Post by dyoung1167 on Jan 2, 2013 17:15:44 GMT -5
dude, from the pics and your statement that they happened after installation is proof in favor of scooter elements. the scratches are curved opposite of how the belt comes in contact and very noticeably a direct metal to metal gouge and the lower one looks like a grind or file mark, so belt causing this? no way. debris inside? sure. something you did? sure. but simply not a faulty part. extra soft metal would have produced a smooth continuous groove as one would see after many thousand miles or so. i doubt anyone here is going to agree with you on this.
you also cannot blame them for no real performance increase. these parts are often listed how the manufacturer describes them and it doesn't matter how large the face is, if the rest of the system is unable to utilize it.
i'll stop now because i'm starting to think you are just trying to find a way to get a refund after not getting the extra speed you wanted and trying it but know you can't get a refund on a used part.
so suck it up and take responsibility where it belongs.
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Post by jazzman on Jan 2, 2013 17:23:39 GMT -5
I totally agree that was either caused by installation or something came loose inside the variator and damaged it. There is no way a belt would cause that, it probably was the tool used to hold the variator to tighten it up or loosen it up and it slipped into the pulley and damaged it.
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Post by boamedt on Jan 2, 2013 19:38:29 GMT -5
Well I'm not blaming anyone. In no way did I say it was anyone's fault or that i was looking for a refund or anythg along those lines. I was simply sharing my experience with a product no one else seemed to have experience with, as no one answered my original question. I'm not stupid and I can install a variator and fan correctly. I used an air impact wrench so there was no tool needed to hold the plate that could of slipped and gouged the surface. Debris...most likely not as there was no other damage to anything else anywhere. But I Duno what happened. I we.t to change my roller weights and reported a big surprise(gouges) I got
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Post by dyoung1167 on Jan 2, 2013 21:05:32 GMT -5
while you didn't state blame specifically, when you wrote "So don't get one. Not only was there no performance gains of any kind, after just 20 miles it had 3 deep gashes on the belt side of it!" and "and got this letter from scooter elements blaming me for careless installation" it is easily inferred that you blame the part and brought your complaint to they're attention. if i complain to a company, i usually expect some type of corrective action on they're part, so again, easily inferred from your posts.
yet the most easily inferred information is derived from the pics. just look at them. they say a lot but do not say defective in any way unless those marks were on it when you received it.
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Post by dyoung1167 on Jan 2, 2013 21:16:12 GMT -5
and for those that may think so i'm not trying to get another hate filled argumentative thread going.
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Post by scootnwinn on Jan 2, 2013 21:21:42 GMT -5
I can't imagine how a belt could make those gouges either I have to agree it did seem like you were laying blame. Any way hope the rest of your mods.work out
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Post by rockynv on Jan 3, 2013 1:16:06 GMT -5
Most often the reverse arc scrapes like that are caused by the kickstarter gears or return spring being out of alignment. It is a very common oops that occurs when trying to get it all back together.
You will not get as much performance gains installing the larger diameter drive face without also getting the matching larger diameter variator set up with the correct weights.
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Post by boamedt on Jan 3, 2013 1:41:02 GMT -5
I didn't recommend this one because I saw no gains of any kind ...note my variator isn't stock. I thought something might happen.... then, as I did not cause these gashes and have no idea what in the world did it it, I thought u guys might know or could offer possibilities ....and I dont have a kick starter installed nor any of its components. I really guess the thing it could have been was debris
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Post by rockynv on Jan 3, 2013 4:37:49 GMT -5
I didn't recommend this one because I saw no gains of any kind ...note my variator isn't stock. I thought something might happen.... then, as I did not cause these gashes and have no idea what in the world did it it, I thought u guys might know or could offer possibilities ....and I dont have a kick starter installed nor any of its components. I really guess the thing it could have been was debris If the variator is not capable of closing up to take advantage of the larger drive face and the rollers are not heavy enough to drive the belt out to the edge then you won't see any improvement. Of course the carb, valves and ignition all have to be in good working order/adjustment to. Debris flying around is usually going to leave an arc in the other direction. |
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Post by Scooter Elements on Jan 3, 2013 13:40:46 GMT -5
Hi, We replied to the customer and i see on here that he might have posted our response but i dont see it. This is what we replied to him below. Gashes like what i see now in the picture a belt does not do that. I have had issues with stuff getting into the CVT before from the bottom where a plate is suppose to cover an opening (mine did not have it) and from the air intake side. I have even forgotten a tiny screw and even a tiny rock that got kicked in there when i got up from the road. If it was a defective unit i would be more than happy to replace it but the issue is it looks like something got into your CVT or something was left in it by mistake. Happens to everyone including myself many times. again i am sorry you had problems. Scooter Elements (Email reply below) Hi, Sorry to hear you are having trouble with the product. Gashes like what your describing can be caused by something being left loose in the CVT during installation. Such as a tiny rock or screw ect... If the item was installed correctly then only thing that should be touching the plate is the belt which will not cause that. I currently run the same drive plate in my scooter for 2 years now and it is the most popular plate in Puerto Rico due to its weight. Also if your CVT is missing the bottom plate that attaches to it then rocks or other materials can get into the CVT and cause damage. let us know if there is anything else we can help you with Thank You, Scooter Elements From:xxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com> To: scooterparts3@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 7:43 PM Subject: eCRATER :: Question From Buyer xxxxxx Re: High Performance Drive Face Plate Store: scooterelements Buyer: xxxxxxxxx I order a gy6 High performance drive face scooterelements.ecrater.com/p/16482777/high-performance-drive-face-plate Within 20 miles I went to change the roller weights a nd found pretty deep gashes in the smooth belt side of the plate. There was no belt damage or anything else I could see |
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Post by boamedt on Jan 3, 2013 14:51:26 GMT -5
Well as again I'm not trying to blame anyone for this, all I did was report something I found to not be normal. As I said before installing a variator fan is about the lowest use for my mechanical abilities and could not leave anything in there, and the tool I Wasn't using to hold the fan whilst I tightened it did not slip and gouge it three times or even once as there was no tool. I was on here looking for an answer of what would do this. The consensus seemed to be debris....I guess some metal debris. I'm glad it only did this and , as I reported to scooter elements, no other damage.
On another related note, anyone no where they sell 117mm variator? I can't seem to find one any where...
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Post by Scooter Elements on Jan 3, 2013 15:02:15 GMT -5
Well as again I'm not trying to blame anyone for this, all I did was report something I found to not be normal. As I said before installing a variator fan is about the lowest use for my mechanical abilities and could not oleave anything in there and the tool I Wasn't using to hold the fan whilst I tightened it did not slip and gouge it three times or even once as there was no tool. I was on here looking for answers of what ld do this. The consensus seemed to be debris....I guess some metal debris. I'm glad it only did this and , as I reported to scooter elements, no other damage. On another related note, anyone no where they sell 117mm variator? I can't seem to find one any where... as for a 117mm Variator. I use to have them they were the brand MOTORIO but the reason i stopped selling them was because they were extremely heavy and the scooters ran horrible. I saw them on ebay a few days ago. But they are expensive |
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Post by leo on Jan 3, 2013 15:23:16 GMT -5
Most often the reverse arc scrapes like that are caused by the kickstarter gears or return spring being out of alignment. they could easily be caused by some kind of holding tool to hold the variator while trying to tighten the nut. these marks ARE NOT belt marks. [/quote] |
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Post by jazzman on Jan 3, 2013 16:42:16 GMT -5
Since your Variator is only 115mm, you only need one that same size you do not need a 117mm fan face plate. Besides the belt will most likely never get to the edge of a 115mm variator. Normally they will get to about 1/8 from the edge of a 115mm and that is if the motor is tuned to the right RPMS and the belt your using and the weights. If you get the belt to climb to 1/8 of the 115mm that is FANTASTIC.
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