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Post by waterboysh on Dec 7, 2012 9:59:21 GMT -5
I was looking at various things online and stumbled upon this. Unlike other things like Fix-a-flat or Slime, Ride-on is put into the tires before you get a flat and acts as a preventative. It stays in gel form and doesn't harden. It also claims that because of this property that it will automatically keep the tire balanced because of centripetal force. It also claims to not be really messy when changing the tire and that it's not corrosive to your rim. I was thinking about getting some because it'd be nice to prevent a sudden flat tire when riding if I run over something bad. |
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Post by snugglebunny on Dec 7, 2012 10:14:12 GMT -5
if you or anyone else uses
it , please post
id consider it
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 7, 2012 10:16:07 GMT -5
I have never heard of it. Looks ok why don't you be the guinea pig try it out and report back.
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Post by fugaziiv on Dec 7, 2012 10:26:20 GMT -5
We sell quite a bit of it to our dealer network. They report that it works exactly as advertised. I personally have it in my Yamaha Motorcycle, and she rides smooth, although I've never had to test the product as a tire sealant. From what I understand it seals punctures much better in a tubeless application than it does in a tube. Balances tires like a charm though. www.partsforscooters.com/Welcome?search=ride-onMatt |
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Post by cloudsifter on Dec 7, 2012 12:24:02 GMT -5
I was thinking of switching to ride-on from slime when I replace one of my tires, soon.
My guess is that based on my experience from slime, I noticed an immediate 'balancing' effect and ride was smoother...I put it in both front and rear...
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Post by prodigit on Dec 7, 2012 15:32:37 GMT -5
If it stays in liquid form, means that you'll have losses in the tire, and drive perhaps a few MPG's lower.
This product also wears the tire from the inside, though it'll probably take a lifetime to wear through a tire from the inside.
It's probably an oil based liquid that is good to seal hairline cracks in an old tire, optimizes the rubber, but won't help you if you hit a rusty nail or pop the tire.
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 7, 2012 16:17:51 GMT -5
Did you read the information on the website or are we just thinking hypothetically? I think he was looking for opinions based on the information in the website or personal experience.
I don't see any reason an immovable gel would affect interior tire wear. It will affect handling somewhat as it is increasing unsprung weight slightly but, mpg on less weight than a loaf of bread will be immeasurable.
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Post by jlee on Dec 7, 2012 16:37:15 GMT -5
Rotational weight not hampered by friction would actually increase fuel economy. But, what do I know. Looks like prodigit has researched the topic thoroughly.
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Post by prodigit on Dec 7, 2012 17:06:02 GMT -5
jlee, like usual you're full of crap, thinking you're funny insulting people all the time!
What you're saying makes no sense at all!
How can a liquid rotating in a tire, friction, cause better MPGs?
If it where so, wouldn't they have stuffed tires with liquids long time ago?
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 7, 2012 17:24:08 GMT -5
jlee, like usual you're full of crap, thinking you're funny insulting people all the time! What you're saying makes no sense at all! How can a liquid rotating in a tire, friction, cause better MPGs? If it where so, wouldn't they have stuffed tires with liquids long time ago? I am glad your around (seriously) I haven't had to think about these things for a long time but apparently a rotating body tends to stay that way (rotating) Copied from here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_of_inertiaIn classical mechanics, moment of inertia, also called mass moment of inertia, rotational inertia, polar moment of inertia of mass, or the angular mass (SI units kg·m2, US units lbm ft2), is a property of a distribution of mass in space that measures its resistance to rotational acceleration about an axis. Newton's first law, which describes the inertia of a body in linear motion, can be extended to the inertia of a body rotating about an axis using the moment of inertia. That is, an object that is rotating at constant angular velocity will remain rotating unless acted upon by an external torque. In this way, the moment of inertia plays the same role in rotational dynamics as mass does in linear dynamics, describing the relationship between angular momentum and angular velocity, torque and angular acceleration. The symbols I and sometimes J are usually used to refer to the moment of inertia or polar moment of inertia.
The moment of the inertia force on a particle around an axis multiplies the mass of the particle by the square of its distance to the axis, and forms a parameter called the moment of inertia. The moments of inertia of individual particles sum to define the moment of inertia of a body rotating about an axis. For rigid bodies moving in a plane, such as a compound pendulum, the moment of inertia is a scalar, but for movement in three dimensions, such as a spinning top, the moment of inertia becomes a matrix, also called a tensor.basically the more mass rotating the less fuel you will need to keep it rotating. Now comes into play what I said, altering the rotating mass's trajectory or slowing it will require more force thus affecting the handling negatively (maybe, it could help depending on your situation). Hope this helps get you mind wrapped around what he said. Public Service Announcement: This is NOT an insult just an opportunity |
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Post by sharks06lly on Dec 7, 2012 17:26:25 GMT -5
jlee, like usual you're full of crap, thinking you're funny insulting people all the time! What you're saying makes no sense at all! How can a liquid rotating in a tire, friction, cause better MPGs? If it where so, wouldn't they have stuffed tires with liquids long time ago? honestly the only reason people get so worked up with what you say is because u state everything as fact even if you don't know anything about the situation. but hey here is some reading for you www.ride-on.com/technical.htmlwww.ride-on.com/motorcycle-formula-mot.htmli have never used it myself but every professional i have talked to ( tire shops) have praised it |
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Post by jlee on Dec 7, 2012 21:15:53 GMT -5
jlee, like usual you're full of crap, thinking you're funny insulting people all the time! What you're saying makes no sense at all! How can a liquid rotating in a tire, friction, cause better MPGs? If it where so, wouldn't they have stuffed tires with liquids long time ago? scootnwinn covered the answer to your question nicely. You keep saying I "insult people all the time". Funny, you are the only one who says that. |
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Post by prodigit on Dec 7, 2012 21:25:55 GMT -5
A liquid only is in the same motion as the wheel once your speed is constant.
With every acceleration, every brake, and even when your speed is constant, it's constantly moving, meaning friction; not to mention the added weight.
You might much better to put some counterbalances on the wheels.
Just like with the beads, more usually is less.
And another thing, the only reason why the website says your MPG increases, is because it keeps the tire inflated.
Instead it's much easier to just keep the tires inflated, and add some air when they're not.
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 7, 2012 21:44:01 GMT -5
Its not a liquid its a gel it basically moves at the same speed as the tire...
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Post by prodigit on Dec 7, 2012 21:54:49 GMT -5
if it would move at the same speed of the tire, it would not move around to balance the tire, would it?
Then it'd be a solid!
But a gel makes more sense than a watery liquid.
Does it remain a gel, or turns into a rubbery/silicony substance?
The website is not clear about it's composition, other than that it moves around.
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 7, 2012 22:16:45 GMT -5
It moves but very very slowly. Like jello almost so yes like a rubbery silcone substance. It moves just enough to compensate for the gradual changes that occur as a result of tire wear.
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Post by stiv625 on Dec 7, 2012 22:45:49 GMT -5
I use Slime in my scooter tires as a preventative measure and it seems to help balance the tire too. I just use a little bit - no where near the rec'd amount to minimalize side effects. I couldn't for the life of me tell you what those side effects are though. I would imagine there are negligible decreases in handling and performance only measurable in a laboratory by fractions of a percent...
How is this different than Slime? Drastically different chemical make-up or just a tweak?
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Post by waterboysh on Dec 7, 2012 23:07:13 GMT -5
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 7, 2012 23:10:59 GMT -5
I think I will be ordering some after Christmas...
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Post by spandi on Dec 7, 2012 23:33:08 GMT -5
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Post by rockynv on Dec 8, 2012 8:48:52 GMT -5
There is also Rhino Tire treatment which is sprayed on by the dealer before the tire is mounted so it covers the entire tread area sidewall to sidewall and not just the center: www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6JfYkwJGlg&list=UUHsybwAyuaLjDb8eGeYmW4w&index=9I have heard some claim the treatment adds the same amount of weight to the tire as balancing weights however the Pirelli I put on my bike only required 1 ounce so the weight claim may not be 100% true in all cases. Once you've been Slimed you'll never want to ride anything other than a lawn mower with Slime treated tires. If it does not seal it makes a mess of everything which will never come completely out of clothing and really messes up goggles, face sheilds and glasses not to mention your bike. If your not wearing a helmet then a trip to the barber shop may end up being the only cure. When you replace a Slimed tire it can get all over the place and make a mess of you, your clothes and all your equipment. |
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Post by waterboysh on Jan 9, 2013 22:22:57 GMT -5
I think I will be ordering some after Christmas... This is exactly what I did. It was really easy to put into the tires. It came with a little tool for removing the valve core, and a little plastic tube. Just remove the core and use the little tube to connect the bottle to the valve stem and squeeze the bottle. The bottle has tick marks to let you know how much you have left. For my size tire it said to use 6 oz, but that you can put up to 25% more if it needs it for balancing so I went ahead and used the whole bottle and put 8 oz in each tire. I'll take the video's word for how it works when punctured. I'm not about to go running over nails and drilling holes in my tires just to find out. It works really well for balancing though. My tires were not to bad, but I could tell they were not 100% balanced either. The ride-on made a noticeable difference in the amount of vibration at 20+ mph. Definitely worth it. Plus, it can prevent sudden deflation if I run over something. It's a win in my book. |
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Post by mainepeace on Jan 10, 2013 1:03:00 GMT -5
I have used Ride-On and I sincerely recommend it. I also sell it so take this with a grain of salt.
Tire green slime goo or whatever is a completely different product. Tire slime is never supposed to harden but it thickens and gets everywhere when you try to remove the tire.
Ride-On does "cure" a bit and stay in place after it has heated up from riding. I have put it in several 50cc and 150cc scooters. If the tires wobble ALOT then it will help a bit, but it is not a magic cure. If you need to put on 30g weights to balance the tire then this will not compensate enough for it. However, it works great for slight wobbles. It also does protect againce certain punctures in the center of the tread. It will not fill a sidewall puncture, but it will seal about a 3" wide strip in the center of the tire, the part that is most in contact with the road. You need a whole bottle for 2x 10" tires. A whole bottle for each front and rear 12-14" tire.
What is nice is that some of the Ride-On products also provide 24 hour roadside assistance when you purchase the product. I believe the PSI gauge tire stems include that.
Greg
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