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Post by texware on Dec 4, 2012 12:55:36 GMT -5
After getting my battery issues sorted, electrically, my scoot seems sound. I managed to get it started, ONCE, while I was diagnosing the bad (new) battery. This was before I drained the fuel and added some SeaFoam treatment to fresh new fuel. How the starter runs REALLY fast and there are no "catching" noises. I am fine doing remove & replace, etc, and I am reasonably proficient at electrical problems (when I am not absolutely green at the product!) but I am not wonderful mechanic. Where should I start? For what should I look? My wife is whining at me non-stop that I wasted my (our) money and that it will never start (but I think the real problem is she is *drooling* for a chance for me to give her a ride on it!). In case I did not state this clearly enough: HELP!!! Thanks, D Attachments:
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Post by spandi on Dec 4, 2012 13:08:17 GMT -5
It may be your starter clutch has gone bad.
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Post by texware on Dec 4, 2012 13:09:59 GMT -5
Blarg.
How hard is that to fix and how expensive are the parts?
Thanks for the feed back
D
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 4, 2012 13:25:28 GMT -5
Texware,
Don't just throw parts at it. Does it have spark? is the engine turning? Pull the plug and you can check both. Ground the plug and check for spark while turning the engine over (this can give you a nice jolt if you do it while the electricity sees you as a better ground). Then put your thumb over the spark plug hole. If you can keep it there you while turning the motor you may have an issue. If it is a slight pulsing you have low compression if no pulsing of air the starter clutch may be your issue.
Send me a pm if you want and I'll give you my number we can chat about things its a lot faster than the message board thing here now
Rob
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Post by richardthescooter1 on Dec 4, 2012 13:34:19 GMT -5
If its spinning and not catching it could the starter relay going bad.
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Post by richardthescooter1 on Dec 4, 2012 13:35:21 GMT -5
Here you go  Attachments:
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Post by texware on Dec 4, 2012 13:36:10 GMT -5
Copy that. I need to get out there and go through it and see. Thanks *very* much for the help.
D
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Post by spandi on Dec 4, 2012 13:39:40 GMT -5
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Post by texware on Dec 4, 2012 14:20:38 GMT -5
spandi - No, my battery is good. I have headlights, dash lights, brake lights, etc. However, I just pulled the battery and put it on my charger and it was showing 25% charged. Before I did that, though, since I was solo, I pulled the plug and laid it on a plastic surface, cap and all, and ran the starter. It made a snapping noise, but it got weaker as I ran the starter. That is when I decided to check the battery. I guess all the work I have been doing, testing it over and over, headlights on, etc, had discharged it since it has not run but 30 or 40 seconds. I will check the compression after the battery is topped off.
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Post by jazzman on Dec 4, 2012 15:47:56 GMT -5
If the starter is spinning that is NOT YOUR Relay(SOLENOID).
You have to explain by what you mean when you say it is NOT CATCHING?
When you hit the start button is the motor turning over(meaning the Crank is turning) you can verify that by either looking at your VARIATOR or FLYWHEEL(IF THEY ARE TURNING the motor is turning over.
If the motor is turning over then it is NOT YOUR STARTER CLUTCH EITHER.
So now you get down to the basics:
Spark, Fuel and Compression
So check those out.
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Post by richardthescooter1 on Dec 4, 2012 16:21:04 GMT -5
I agree with you jazzman, I thought it was spinning and no cranking, so we need to know what its doing when he hits the starter button.
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Post by texware on Dec 4, 2012 16:48:39 GMT -5
I just came back in from double checking the plug for spark and holding my finger over the plug hole. There is definitely spark but no compression. I felt no air pressure at all.
What now??? I am getting a bit discouraged here!
Thanks,
D
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 4, 2012 16:55:08 GMT -5
I don't remember if you checked the valves. Next is to make sure the top-end is working
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 4, 2012 16:56:11 GMT -5
If it ran at all recently its something simple don't worry you'll find it.
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Post by texware on Dec 4, 2012 18:36:13 GMT -5
Just before I left for class, a friend probed the piston through the spark plug hole as I ran the starter. Most nearly as he could determine, the engine is not turning with the starter. Could this be a solenoid issue or am I in deeper excrement than that?
Thanks,
D
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Post by richardthescooter1 on Dec 4, 2012 20:02:33 GMT -5
When trying to start scoot, is the starter solenoid engaging or is it just spinning?
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Post by texware on Dec 4, 2012 22:15:40 GMT -5
It sounds like the starter is spinning against nothing. So fast it is whining.
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 4, 2012 22:24:30 GMT -5
Smack the starter with the handle of the biggest screwdriver you own. A good firm smack try it when its still and then while running. It might work and get you by till a starter arrives.
Someone else may know if you can rebuild the starter I don't
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Post by leo on Dec 4, 2012 23:13:44 GMT -5
make sure the starter is turning the engine over, you can do this by removing the plug. check for spark at the same time. if the starter spins but the engine doesn't then you have a bendix problem. mine did the same thing. the following applies to the 244: the right side engine cover and external oil line must be removed to work on the bendix. the bango bolts used on this line must go back into the hole they came from. likewise for the 8 or 9 screws that hold the cover in place. after removing the 3 allen head screws that hold the bendix to the flywheel work the bendix outer ring back and forth a few times. there is a spring in the end of the crankshaft that must not be lost. make sure it is in place before reassembling. also make sure the water pump fits into the drive tab. related thread: scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=200cc&action=display&thread=43591 |
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Post by spandi on Dec 4, 2012 23:34:34 GMT -5
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Post by richardthescooter1 on Dec 5, 2012 9:29:52 GMT -5
Hopefully all you need is a starter Attachments:
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Post by texware on Dec 18, 2012 13:52:02 GMT -5
Ok, I got past finals at school, Christmas shifts @ work, and food poisoning. Now I am back on the scoot, hoping to have it running by Christmas so I can do a 400 mile tour on it just to annoy my mom who has forbidden me from doing a 400 mile tour on it. I pulled the starter, left it connected to the hot cable and used jumper cables to build a ground connection. It appears to be spinning strongly. I guess the next step is to look at the starter clutch  |
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Post by texware on Dec 18, 2012 14:41:21 GMT -5
Now I have pulled the oil line and all the various bolts holding the flywheel cover, but of course, I have missed something or it is just nice and stuck because it does not want to pop off.
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Post by jazzman on Dec 18, 2012 14:45:06 GMT -5
ARE you sure the the pistion is NOT MOVING UP AND DOWN before you tear it apart?
All you have to do is LOOK AT THE FAN OR take the CVT cover off and LOOK at the VARIATOR.
IF THEY TURN when you hit the start button the CRANK SHAFT IS TURNING which means IF the PISTON IS STILL connected to the CRANK piston is moveing up and down. But you did say that a friend stuck something into the plug hole and it did NOT MOVE up and down.
But you can do this for yourself, take a SODA STRAW just drop it down the spark plug hole and you can turn the VARIATOR by hand COUNTER CLOCKWISE and see if the STRAW MOVES UP AND DOWN.
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Post by texware on Dec 18, 2012 14:55:01 GMT -5
we used a long wire tie and it did not move. the starter is strong and works well, so the problem is isolated it inside the engine, some darned where
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Post by texware on Dec 18, 2012 15:20:54 GMT -5
AcK. Well, found the last bolt I had missed and removed it. Exposed the stator/etc and I ***think*** the idler was loose. I pushed it back in place but I need to get some oil and I boogered up the gasket and I need to replace that, too. Can I use some gasket-in-a-tube or do I need to order a paper gasket?
Thanks,
D
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 18, 2012 16:09:25 GMT -5
paper is probably best. You can get paper gasket material at most auto parts stores and make your own... Maybe Decatur TX has a scoot shop...
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Post by texware on Dec 18, 2012 16:58:45 GMT -5
Nope, no scoot shop. I went to O'Reilly's. I got some of the stuff most of the import auto makers are using for gaskets for everything besides headgaskets.
I will just need to be very careful that I have no leaks.
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Post by texware on Dec 18, 2012 19:15:12 GMT -5
No joy today. I will have to get back on it on Thursday. Thanks for the help
D
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