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Post by stiv625 on Dec 3, 2012 18:42:55 GMT -5
I think when a person loses many items in such a storm, and did not have an income for over 2 weeks, that money might be pretty tight; even $500! Then again, time might be tight too... I'd not go to crazy extends in flushing. Just do an fluid change (oil and gas), and clean the bike with a pressure washer. Dry it, and drive off. Doesn't matter if it's a cheap chinese bike; if the OP doesn't even have the time to reply to the topic, since nov 20, I bet he has little time to do all these routine things. Just drive the chino bike until it breaks, and then spend money for a new bike! +1 No sense in throwing a ton of time or money on what is probably a lost cause, but it would be well worth it to do a quick flush and give it a shot. Who knows, it could hold you over for a while. Oniondip, I am very sorry to hear about your losses due to Superstorm Sandy and wish you the best of luck in recovery efforts.
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Post by scootercapecod on Dec 4, 2012 0:42:57 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure i gave the suggestion to buy a new bike and even where he might order it from. The vendor is irrelevant to me but the main thrust is that he's pretty much screwed. Ya know, we're all sitting here telling him what to do and to spend money he may not have, maybe raising some would be nice?
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Post by dyoung1167 on Dec 4, 2012 7:49:06 GMT -5
yeah, he was told many times it may be screwed but was also given advice (he asked for) on how to keep it as long as possible. i'm sure he's a grown man and can make his own decision on which direction he wants to proceed. with the amount of money some are willing to put into GOOD skoots for all of 5mph only to have them sh!t the bed anyway is a tribute to those who simply like to tinker do it themselves. another words - sometimes it's the challenge that counts.
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Post by larry001964 on Dec 4, 2012 8:01:04 GMT -5
Im kinda bothered that we haven't heard from oniondip in a while...
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Post by oniondip on Dec 5, 2012 20:22:48 GMT -5
Hey sorry I haven't been around for a while since things here at the Jersey Shore are still a complete mess. First off I want to say thanks to everyone for all the help but I'm still working on it.
Well here's what I did: Cleaned out the gas tank. Flushed and replaced the gas, oil and gear fluid. Cleaned fuel and vacuum lines. Repaired all the bad electrical connections. Got a new battery. Cleaned out the carb. Took the engine heads off and cleaned the cylinder and piston. Took the exhaust off and drained all the water from it. Cleaned out the air filter box.
When I turn the ignition "on", the instument panel will respond correctly by showing half a tank of gas and the horn and turn signals work. Trying to start up the scooter with the electric or kick start just turns the starter but nothing else. I pulled the plug and tested to see that I am indeed getting a spark. I shot some carb cleaner into the hole on the engine head where the spark plug goes. Replaced the plug and then the engine fired up for about one second before it died. In fact it will fire up everytime for one second anytime I shoot carb cleaner first.
I think I'm very close to bringing this back from the dead but what am I missing? What does this problem sound like? I'm guessing the carb still needs more work or I have the valve setting wrong.
Thanks again.
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Post by snugglebunny on Dec 5, 2012 20:33:09 GMT -5
im pretty stupid when it comes to thsi stuff if it fires like that, then i would say its somehow not getting gas member the float bowl has to fill, to create suction
so to me , a stupid person, needs gas into carb somehow.
i think you are doing a great job bringing it back to life
as one poster said a long time ago, the frame might be rusting in the tubes, dont know how you could check that, but id find a way to before i put my life on the line
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Post by larry001964 on Dec 5, 2012 20:33:16 GMT -5
Glad to hear from you Oniondip Have you checked your fuel filter and fuel petcock ? I'm thinking fuel delivery problem too.. also you could be right on the valve setting. I use .003 intake and .004 exhaust... but some like .004 and .005.. personally a little ticking is ok but if its clacking loud then you may want to try a smaller setting..
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Post by prodigit on Dec 7, 2012 3:08:40 GMT -5
Also check your CDI. IF there's a bad connection, or the CDI broke, it may start, barely, but shut down soon after.
Air filter passage ways are clean? (no water there)?
And yes, fuel lines. It helps squeezing the fuel lines to get the air out, and fuel in. Your fuel filter should have little to no air bubbles in it.
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Post by oniondip on Dec 7, 2012 20:34:36 GMT -5
OK. I'm still working on this scooter. The petcock on my scooter is the type directly screwed into the bottom of the fuel tank at a right angle. How can I be sure the petcock is working properly? When I disconnect the 2 hoses from the petcock, fuel doesn't drain out of the tank. Is this right? Or should it drain with a nice stream? ps, there is no shut off valve.
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 7, 2012 20:40:43 GMT -5
One of those lines is the vacuum one is for fuel if you apply a vacuum (suck on it make, make sure ita the rigjt line first) to the line fuel will come out of the other
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Post by oniondip on Dec 10, 2012 13:45:33 GMT -5
I'm just about to give up because I've worked on this scooter for way too long. I set the timing and put a new carb in it and still no go. The petcock seems to be working fine. It seems like some of you are right in that the engine's probably not getting fuel. I think the carb's getting gas but what do I know.
I hate to quit on it now since I'm right at the finish line but I really don't have the knowledge or skill to figure out anything more.
Thanks for the help.
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 10, 2012 16:15:02 GMT -5
Is the engine creating a vacuum does it have compression. Its easy and free to check it the "wrong" way Pull the spark plug and cover the hole with your thumb crank the engine. You should not be able to keep your thumb there no matter haw hard you try. If you can you may have a ring or a valve sticking. If you have compression you are one step closer to finding the problem. Let us know how it goes.
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Post by scootercapecod on Dec 10, 2012 23:00:09 GMT -5
Don't give up now...you might just need a new CDI and few other things but the question is, have you checked for spark? No fuel to the motor? Anyway, try this stunt: Take off the airbox hose to the carb. Place your hand FIRMLY over the orifice on the carb and give the engine a crank, yes you'll get gas on your hand but it might just clear out whateveris blocking the fuel flow
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Post by rockynv on Dec 11, 2012 5:14:18 GMT -5
Just remember that this bike is considered a flood damaged vehicle and in some if not most states you may be blocked from selling it or putting it back on the road. If it is brought into Florida to be registered or sold you could be prosecuted for doing so. Think back to the big scam where flood damaged vehicles were being re-registered in Pennsylvania to hide the fact that they came from the area where the flood occurred. It did not matter that they were fixed up. The persons involved were pretty harshly dealt with.
Check with your local DMV on the regulation for putting flood damaged vehicles back on the road before you go to far with this.
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Post by oniondip on Dec 15, 2012 8:32:53 GMT -5
Scootnwinn, I did what you said and pulled the spark plug and I got some compression. I was able to keep my finger over the hole with not too much effort.
The cdi, coil and spark plug are all new too.
Now what?
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Post by scootnwinn on Dec 15, 2012 16:49:30 GMT -5
That is not good. You have no/little compression. You have a leaky valve or rings. That is why it won't start. You should not be able to hold your finger there.
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Post by oniondip on Feb 4, 2013 12:16:31 GMT -5
It's been a while since I last posted but I just wanted to everyone know that I resurrected my soaked scooter last month. The problem I was having was that gas was not getting to the carb as some here have stated. I re-cleaned the carb and blew out all the lines again and it's running great now.
My neighbor also had his 150cc chinese scooter submerged thanks to Sandy. 2 weeks ago he gave it to me to work on and I got it up and running with very little effort since I've been through this once already.
It's unbelievable how these cheap dead soaked scooters actually came back to life. This is what to do in the future should anyone experience this:
Drain all fluids: Gas, Oil, Gear Oil. Blow out all gas and vacuum lines with compressed air. Clean off the rust on all electrical connections. Remove and dry out the exhaust. Replace the battery because it surely will be shot. Clean or better yet replace the carb and spark plug. Refill all fluids. Reconnect everything. Turn the key and say a prayer.
Luckily I did not have any problem with the stator, starter, cdi, petcock, fuses, voltage regulator or anything else.
Thank you to everyone who help me with their knowledge to getting this scooter running again.
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Post by rockynv on Feb 4, 2013 12:52:50 GMT -5
Just remember that you have a machine capable of lethal speeds that could suffer a catastrophic failure of the frame from the salt water that got inside the tubing. It does not really matter that you can get the motors running it is the tubular steel frame that you really have to worry about. It may fail someday the moment you sit on the bike or it may do it going over a bump at 50 mph. Is it worth the risk?
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