sinister008
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Post by sinister008 on Sept 6, 2012 11:24:24 GMT -5
Hey Dawgs. I had a rough night last night.  I was riding my YY250T when my rear tire picked up a screw and (to make a long story short): I am in need of new rubber. I knew I'd have to replace them soon, but I had hoped to get a bit more mileage from the OEM tires... Oh well. Anyway, I was wondering if anybody had any tire recommendations. I am 185 pounds, and the tire size is 130/60/13. I'd like to replace both, and keep the total price below $150. I'm only finding J speed ratings, which is only rated for 62MPH. Any ideas or experience you can share? TIA |
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Post by richardthescooter1 on Sept 6, 2012 12:06:59 GMT -5
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Post by ericrockstar on Sept 6, 2012 12:13:06 GMT -5
Hear lots of good things about the 140/60/13 tire. It will still fit. It's just a tiny bit wider and many people seem to like that.
Out of personal experience, I would recommend paying someone else to do it. I did my own back in the winter and was hurting everywhere because of it.
I do like the way the pirellis diablos look.
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sinister008
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Post by sinister008 on Sept 6, 2012 13:28:40 GMT -5
Ha, ha! ;D Why not just post: First!!! LOL This was my first stop when I started Google-ing around this morning, but I must've missed the specs for the Shinko SR568R. I think I've found my new platform, folks. Anyone have an opinion on Shinko's? And, ericrockstar... I think you're right on going +1 and getting the 140mm width. It's only a 10mm difference after all... I need to measure clearance, but it looks like it will fit just fine. Does anyone know from past experience? |
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Post by barnie on Sept 6, 2012 18:30:10 GMT -5
I have a jcl mp250a and several months ago i put new pirelli's on it from motorcycle super store. they had super speedy service and got both front and rear for little over 100.00 with free shipping. I put the 140/60/13 on the rear and 130/60/13 on front. just check where your tire passes by the inside of the cvt case. the 140 is 1/2 inch wider which is only a 1/4 on each side. i changed mine myself and its a pretty easy job. if you are mechanically inclined and do all your own work, let me know and i will give you some tips on how to get them on and off easily. barnie
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Post by winchesterboy on Sept 6, 2012 23:38:45 GMT -5
I bought some Shinko tires for my wife's bali 150. They ride good and hold the road good.
But, I have also heard them called Stinkos, so I guess some folks didn't like them.
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Post by skuttadawg on Sept 7, 2012 0:22:42 GMT -5
I have Shinko on my Echarm they are way better than the crappy CSTs . For a 130/60/13 like on my 2T I am torn between Michelin SportSC or Pirelli SL26 both around 50 to 60 each . If I had the money I would get Dunlops as they have the best brand for my cruiser street bikes but pricey . Regardless what tires you get make sure to have them balanced as it removes the annoying bounce effect .
Cheap tires = hard rubber , may last longer , not as good cornering or when wet . Too soft of tires wear out like Avon Viper Strykes . So I like the middle selection and you can not go wrong with Michelin or Pirellis
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sinister008
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Post by sinister008 on Sept 7, 2012 15:46:57 GMT -5
No offense meant whatsoever, but if you put Pirelli SL 26's (J speed rated-62mph) on a bike that is capable of 70+mph...you're just a little bit "motarded". LOL  Cheesy, I know, but sometimes I can't help myself. I love MJ...  Mmm'kay? |
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Post by sinister008 on Sept 7, 2012 15:49:51 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone for the input. Let me tell you what I found out after a little further research... Shinko is Yokohama (a well respected Japanese company with a reputation for high quality, high performance tires). Or rather, Shinko WAS Yokohama until 1998 when the Shinko Group bought their scooter/motorcycle tire technology. Shinko is still a Japanese headquartered company, just not quite as well known in the States as Yokohama (name-wise). Now, the best set of (car) tires I have EVER owned were Yokohama Avid H4S's. I refer to them as my "miracle tires", and still remember them quite fondly.  They were installed on my tuned-up, tricked-out 1996 Nissan Altima and I put almost 50k on them before I was hit by an 18-wheeler while traveling north on I-75. The car was totaled, and I came within inches of dying a horrible death.  However, I firmly believe the tires were a factor in my still being alive, because they didn't fold up on impact (at between 80-85mph), or when I was spinning across multiple lanes of traffic. They wanted to stick to the road like Gorilla Glue!!!  And they did grip well enough for me to steer out of the way of what would've been a head-on collision with a third vehicle. When the whole ordeal was over, all 4 tires were still holding air (although obviously not safe for further applications...LOL). I also measured close to half of their original tread depth still intact! I know I'm not likely to have that kind of luck EVER AGAIN in my lifetime (I burned up several of my 9 lives that day...), and especially not on 2 wheels. I also understand that I'm probably being overly sentimental about a set of tires, but if Shinko's perform anywhere near as well as my Yoke's did, I feel I'd be stupid not to give them a shot. Plus, at $83 (shipped) for 2 size 140/60/13's, I could almost buy 2 sets for the price of 1. |
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Post by skuttadawg on Sept 7, 2012 16:20:27 GMT -5
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Post by derbi on Sept 7, 2012 16:26:25 GMT -5
Pirellis SL26's are J rated 62 mph Pirellis Diablos are P rated 93 mph
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Post by sinister008 on Sept 7, 2012 16:35:10 GMT -5
It looks like it might vary depending on the size of the tire, but Pirelli doesn't even list a definite rating on the spec sheet from their web site. Several places list them as "J" rated, but a few list them as "P" rated... I hate it when I can't find solid info. LOL |
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Post by barnie on Sept 7, 2012 17:25:31 GMT -5
Hey guys, I have a jcl mp250a and I have pirelli's on fron and back. Have the SL 26 on front (marked on tire speed rating P (93 mph) and LI (load index of 60. On rear I have the diablo 140/60/13 also rated P. just for your info. Barnie
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Post by sinister008 on Sept 7, 2012 17:45:02 GMT -5
Hey guys, I have a jcl mp250a and I have pirelli's on fron and back. Have the SL 26 on front (marked on tire speed rating P (93 mph) and LI (load index of 60. On rear I have the diablo 140/60/13 also rated P. just for your info. Barnie I wish I had known that, because I'd narrowed it down to the Pirelli SL26's and the Shinko's, but I couldn't find credible info on the Pirelli's speed rating...  I guess I should've asked you. LOL Thanks for the info. |
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Post by skuttadawg on Sept 7, 2012 18:36:42 GMT -5
says 60P and if you click on the tire info link below the price it shows the load and speed ratings
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Post by sinister008 on Sept 7, 2012 19:48:41 GMT -5
says 60P and if you click on the tire info link below the price it shows the load and speed ratings I wonder why Pirelli's own website doesn't have this info??? Stupid-heads lost a sale... But it definitely depends on the size, because some are clearly marked as "J" rated. |
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Post by nulldevice on Sept 7, 2012 21:20:17 GMT -5
I liked the Michelin boppers I put on my scooter, but if you pay someone to mount the tires you will be lucky to get the tire mounted for less that $125 EACH! in NE Ohio. That's when I broke down and bought a small tire changer from Harbor Freight for fifty bucks. Paid for itself on the first tire change.
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Post by sinister008 on Sept 7, 2012 21:48:55 GMT -5
I liked the Michelin boppers I put on my scooter, but if you pay someone to mount the tires you will be lucky to get the tire mounted for less that $125 EACH! in NE Ohio. That's when I broke down and bought a small tire changer from Harbor Freight for fifty bucks. Paid for itself on the first tire change. WOW!!! That price is insane! A local shop quoted me $200 total for the tires AND the install (I forget the brand of tires ATM). If I take them the wheels and tires it will be $8-10 apiece for mount and balance. That is the plan at this point, since my fiancee and I are saving for a wedding... I'm rather po' right now. |
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Post by skuttadawg on Sept 7, 2012 22:36:50 GMT -5
Yeah most tire sites have such a limited amount of info where tire dealers have more details than the manufacturer does . I had some Yokohamas on my Geo A008 which was a tire that came ona certain Porsche but oddly they made it in a 13 inch wheel too and they gripped so good .
Measure before thinking about 140s as I did but I do not have enough clearance for a wider tire . I do love how 130/60/13s ride much better than 10s and 16s do since I prefer a wide tire or doughnut as I call them and the 16s are not wide enough . I looked at an Avon Viper Stryke man it looks wider and its flat instead of round so it has more contact but after reading where many only lasted 3,000 miles I did not want them .
Cycle Gear sometimes has deals and they only mount the tire on the rim and do not R&R the wheels on a scooter so you would have to bring them in already removed . If you buy from them its 20 to mount and high speed balance and 30 if you bough tires elsewhere . Most use an old school bubble balancer which does work as that is how my Echarm tires were done as I get a repeat customer discount at my scooter dealer as I have brought in several customers and bought 4 scooters from them .
My Magnum came with a street knobby like the Duros on link above and reminds me of a minibike from back in the good ole days .
Many have said they like Kendas and they are cheaper but since I have not used any I can not say how they are . I am happy with Shinkos ( unsure which ones ) on my Echarm as they are way better than the crappy Cheng Shins . Thanks for the info on Shinko and Yokahoma .
You are wise to check out the speed rating prior to buying as J or 62 mph tires are not what you want and should always have tires that are rated beyond your scooters top speed ability to be safe . Even though my Geo Metro would not hit 100 MPH I had V or ZR tires 149 MPH .
I took a 2 year course on auto repairs and my instructor said " If I only learn you anything its never skimp on tires and brake pads/shoes " . Its definitively worth the extra for premium tires to be safer and have a better ride than the elcheapos that many come with .
There is beads that can go inside the tire to help balance it out and will try some on my Magnum as they are not balanced but will be with new tires once I decide on Michelin Pilot Sport SC or the Pirellis
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Post by sinister008 on Sept 7, 2012 22:55:48 GMT -5
...Measure before thinking about 140s... I didn't take a precise measurement. But if they are, in fact, only 10mm wider then that is less that one-fifth of an inch wider on each side (since 10mm=0.393701in). I guess I'll hope for the best, as I've already ordered them. |
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Post by skuttadawg on Sept 7, 2012 23:00:04 GMT -5
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Post by sinister008 on Sept 7, 2012 23:31:16 GMT -5
I went with the Shinko SR568R's - 140/60/13 for the front and rear. I remember when I ordered my Yokohama's. $232 for the set. Cheap! LOL I ordered them +1 width and -1 profile, and everyone told me I was making a big mistake getting Yokohama's vs Michelin's or Goodyear's... With hindsight, I whole-heartedly disagree but everyone's experience varies. So to each his own, I guess. Not everyone leads the same charmed life that I live... |
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Post by skuttadawg on Sept 7, 2012 23:46:16 GMT -5
www.tirerack.com was cheaper including shipping and paying a shop to mount and balance than just the purchase price in my area . I have some of my clients tell me that some shady tire shops tried to sell them generic China tires for their cars and say its a Michelin . BS we have a few Michelin plants in my town so I know they are made in the USA which is rare these days
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