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Post by prodigit on Jul 2, 2012 19:50:15 GMT -5
Hi, Looking for a comfortable, good scooter, sub $3000. I found one, it has upgraded springs, better brakes, and an electronic fuel injection; water cooled. Here's the site, though I found it somewhere else for ~$2700. www.countyimports.com/inc/sdetail/special__bms_tbx_efi_260cc_fuel_injected__touring_scooter___efi/210/40129All I don't like about it is that it's only 260cc. Are there any heavier models out there, that have more cc, look a bit like this (comfortable, cruiser) good built, and is not too expensive? |
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Post by justpassinthru on Jul 2, 2012 21:47:08 GMT -5
The maker of that scooter is Xingyue.
That's an XY260-4t. It's been sold under a variety of names, originally marketed as a VOG.
It's a nice-riding, powerful scooter that'll go at Interstate speeds; that handles like a Burgman. Which makes sense because it's a Burgman clone.
It will ALSO leave you stranded, in much likelihood. I have a 300cc version; with 2400 miles, I've got a rod knocking. I'm fighting to get it torn down under warranty.
I paid $2800 for mine. It will cost a thousand to have fixed; it will take me weeks to do it if I can at all; and the scoot is just about worthless as it is.
And I've learned here, I"m not the only one. Those things are known to fail or blow up.
Your move. I'd look for something else.
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Post by chromestarhustler on Jul 3, 2012 2:27:53 GMT -5
used reflex or kymco, or burgman is in your price range.
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Post by greg on Jul 3, 2012 4:48:08 GMT -5
id get a used honda
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Post by jwalz1 on Jul 3, 2012 10:15:36 GMT -5
Used Majesty. Simply because you used the term "cruiser".
Used Sym RV might be good too.
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Post by jim63 on Jul 3, 2012 15:14:14 GMT -5
You got a good budget for your ride, you want a burgman, get a real burgman. Like others have posted, get yourself a good used one. 14hp for a 250cc scooter isnt really that impressive, my SYM RV250 makes 20hp. If you do any mountain or hill climbing you will want more power trust me, my SYM is topped out at 50mph on steep grades with my 250lbs on it, could only imagine if it had 14 hp vs 20. Burgman 400. Majesty, SYM's Citycom/RV250, Kymco has several 250's, find a good used one out there.
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Post by karpata on Jul 3, 2012 17:28:26 GMT -5
I bought a 2007 Kymco GrandVista for $2500. It's 250 cc. ,I weigh 195lbs., hit 75 mph topspeed. This is a stock scoot with 10,000 mi. Had 8200 when I bought it. No problem on hills. Very reliable. Good luck with your hunt.
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Post by jwalz1 on Jul 3, 2012 17:29:47 GMT -5
Geez, I did not look at the power level, 15hp is fairly low. I don't know how that ad can claim 80-85 mph out of it. (maybe with a 30% optimistic speedo) My Downtown is lighter and has a hair under 30 hp and with a heavier person is supposed to top out 85. It will do a little over 90 with me, but I weigh 150.
New machines always feel like more fun in the short run, but if you have that much to spend, there are lots of superior machines with a few miles and a scuff or two that might be a better fit. Especially if you ever want to go long distance.
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Post by doomsday on Jul 4, 2012 3:25:09 GMT -5
I was also looking at that bms scooter. My problem was/is, I have been unable to find practically any data on it at all, in terms of reviews. At least under the BMS name, I haven't found anything. I was really hoping it was going to be a good scooter because of the EFI but sounds like the rest of the scooter has issues. Well, that lowers my choices now to either linhai, which I have seen tons of posts lately with many issues of these almost 5 year old crated ones, Or possibly a SYM RV200 EVO. The last one is way more then I want to spend, but I may just have to pay more for the quality. I am having such a terrible time deciding lol.
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Post by max on Jul 4, 2012 12:05:54 GMT -5
I've got a 2008 BMS w/ 12K miles on it. the post in most cases here are correct about things going wrong. I've had more problems than you could imagine. Lots of little anoying things like stalling you out on he roads. gas gages, speedometer readings of, dash board came loose during a ride, brake switches not working. I did various PDI' s and that helped a lot. Had the variator fan spin off the crank spline, have done valve adjustments which really helps.
Looking at the price of other name brand scooters you could buy 2 BMS unit for the price of one of the namen brands. Even the name brands will have multiple issues.
I've leane to become very mechanically inclined about the working of the scooters and how to do my own work. In away its fun but time consuming.
I even hauled mine to BMS in Los Angelas to get a major warrantee issue taken care of which they did and they modified the carb and air cleaner configurattion which was good. The unit does not have EFI which I would rather have now.
seems I can go on forever
Good Luck Max
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Post by jwalz1 on Jul 5, 2012 9:44:09 GMT -5
I've got a 2008 BMS w/ 12K miles on it. the post in most cases here are correct about things going wrong. I've had more problems than you could imagine. Lots of little anoying things like stalling you out on he roads. I am not trying to bash anyones choice of what they buy within their budget. But statements like this are whay I spent more to get a brand that was known as rock solid reliable over less expensive ones that might have an issue relatively frequently. It is not that I am afraid of mechanical work. Far from it. Let me explain with a true story that happened to me last week. I was on my way home from work (in my Highlander) and there is a section on where two major highways merge into one. Traffic is going about seventy from both freeways and there is a long thin traingular median in between the two for about a quarter mile. In that median is a guy pushing a scooter (from what I can tell it is a generic 250 ish) in no man's land. There is no place to stop and pull over a car to help this guy for a quarter mile. This guy has 70 mph cagers about 10 feet off each elbow and one inattentive person can wipe him out. Nobody can stop and help him, and he either has to leave the scooter in the median and run across at a clear time, or push it across the freeway to get to a very narrow shoulder that is going to last a quarter at about 8 feet wide, before a real wide shoulder begins. I was on the far left of four lanes and traffic would not let me over to help this guy. He was in a nightmare situation for a scooter rider. I take the safety aspect very seriously, and I am not suggesting that every Chinese scooter is going to break all the time on the freeway. But for me there is enough inherent danger in just riding, being stranded around freeway traffic is something I don't ever want to deal with and spent a little more for, at least in my mind, extra peace of mind. If a few dollars can make it much less likely I can get clobbered on the shoulder while pushing a scooter, I will spend it. Ask yourself what kind of riding you intend to do, and if it is going to include regular freeway travel, take potential situation like I mentioned into your purchase. I try to stay away from the freeway (but have a couple short stretches when I ride it to work) but thought since I might someday want to tour on it and go for long country rides, I should bite the bullet. If you plan to ride close to home on mostly around town stuff, I would worry about it much less. The fact that you are looking at larger models suggests to me that some freeway might be in the equation. I agree that every scooter CAN have an issue, but I reject the notion that most bikes from China are on par in reliability to ones from Japan, Taiwan and Italy. It simply is not true. Yes they can be very reliable, but they are also much more likely to be unreliable then say the Japanese counterpart. Please do not misunderstand this as a slander against all of the Chinese scooters. But if you have a near $3000 budget, you can find just about ANY of the top brands used if you look hard enough. |
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Post by benn on Jul 6, 2012 16:45:33 GMT -5
The SYM HD Evo is a really nice bike. Good size, EFI and lots of features, and rock solid reliability (in the world of off-brand Asian scoots at least). I've seen them on sale for $3,099 at a dealership in Chicago. But I guess the question I must ask is: If you're spending 3k, why not just stroll into a Honda dealership and see what they have on the used floor. You'll get a warranty and a non-plastic bike.  |
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Post by justpassinthru on Jul 6, 2012 23:17:24 GMT -5
I was also looking at that bms scooter. My problem was/is, I have been unable to find practically any data on it at all, in terms of reviews. At least under the BMS name, I haven't found anything. I was really hoping it was going to be a good scooter because of the EFI but sounds like the rest of the scooter has issues. Well, that lowers my choices now to either linhai, which I have seen tons of posts lately with many issues of these almost 5 year old crated ones, Or possibly a SYM RV200 EVO. The last one is way more then I want to spend, but I may just have to pay more for the quality. I am having such a terrible time deciding lol. There's very little out there; and it's apparently new to the BMS line. But it's been around as the VOG. It was also sold as the Tank Touring; but in all cases it's made by Xingyue. I heard little on it, and much of that was negative. So I took the plunge, and here we are. Nobody mentioned actual mechanical failure - the problem most mentioned was electrical and sometimes obviously due to no PDI. You pays yer money, you takes yer choice. I'm still trying to collect on the warranty on mine. Were it a Burgman, it would have been in and out...and odds are, it wouldn't have been in for a connecting-rod-journal failure. |
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Post by wile on Jul 7, 2012 1:52:56 GMT -5
Also check out Countyimports for complaints they are one of the worst. They have an impressive website but that is all, no support after the sale.
Wile
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Post by donleonardo on Jul 7, 2012 7:15:29 GMT -5
My vote is to look at a used Honda Helix. Engine is just about bullet proof
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Post by doomsday on Jul 7, 2012 18:44:57 GMT -5
The SYM HD Evo is a really nice bike. Good size, EFI and lots of features, and rock solid reliability (in the world of off-brand Asian scoots at least). I've seen them on sale for $3,099 at a dealership in Chicago. But I guess the question I must ask is: If you're spending 3k, why not just stroll into a Honda dealership and see what they have on the used floor. You'll get a warranty and a non-plastic bike. I have to say that over the years, I have determined there are two things that I really distrust. Refurbished and used stuff. Most of the time (again in my opinion) refurbished is usually bad. The reasons it was refurbished in the first place was usually due to it having a problem. That doesn't mean they fixed it when they supposedly reset it to factory specs. Used is even worse. Sure you may find some great deals and they be perfectly fine, but what are the odds that its a piece of junk that someone is trying to push off on someone else. You see that kind of thing around here all the time. As far as warranties goes, they are only as good as the dealership that will actually back them. I bought a car once with bumper to bumper warranty. The AC unit went out within the first 3 months of owning the car. My wife took it to the dealership we bought it from, to get it fixed. After being there for 6 hours and finally getting ready to leave, they charged her full price for the work and the parts. When she told them that the car had bumper to bumper warranty, they said it didnt cover those parts. Oh I got that crap straightened out quickly with a call to the main headquarters but you shouldn't have to go through that kind of stuff. There was another time I bought a car and paid lots of cash for the extra warranty and when I had to get it serviced and they were going to have it for a week, I was supposed to get a rental car for the duration. They tried telling me that because I was under 21 at the time, they couldn't do it because their insurance wouldn't cover me. Again, I PAID for this warranty, if your going to sell someone a warranty with an item, then you best be prepared to back up said warranty. Oh and then they wanted to charge me for all the stuff they had to do that car to, even though it was 100% covered under the warranty. Shady people EVERYWHERE! Its a shame that business's will try to do that to their customers. That is only 2 of many stories that I could tell you over warranties and used and refurbished stuff I have been through over the years. It is going to have to be one hell of a deal to make me think about a used, anything. |
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Post by rockynv on Jul 9, 2012 0:23:24 GMT -5
We are talking in the price range of a New 2009 Aprilia Sport City 250 that puts out over 20 hp and can carry 460lbs which is still avaiable with a full parts and labor warranty for $2,999.
A fuel injected, water cooled bike with 15 inch tires that is a blast to ride carving canyons and other twisty roads. Comes with twin front disk and single disk rear brakes that provide plenty of controlable stopping power.
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Post by ve14326 on Jul 9, 2012 10:40:26 GMT -5
The SYM HD Evo is a really nice bike. Good size, EFI and lots of features, and rock solid reliability (in the world of off-brand Asian scoots at least). I've seen them on sale for $3,099 at a dealership in Chicago. But I guess the question I must ask is: If you're spending 3k, why not just stroll into a Honda dealership and see what they have on the used floor. You'll get a warranty and a non-plastic bike. I have to say that over the years, I have determined there are two things that I really distrust. Refurbished and used stuff. Most of the time (again in my opinion) refurbished is usually bad. The reasons it was refurbished in the first place was usually due to it having a problem. That doesn't mean they fixed it when they supposedly reset it to factory specs. Used is even worse. Sure you may find some great deals and they be perfectly fine, but what are the odds that its a piece of junk that someone is trying to push off on someone else. You see that kind of thing around here all the time. As far as warranties goes, they are only as good as the dealership that will actually back them. I bought a car once with bumper to bumper warranty. The AC unit went out within the first 3 months of owning the car. My wife took it to the dealership we bought it from, to get it fixed. After being there for 6 hours and finally getting ready to leave, they charged her full price for the work and the parts. When she told them that the car had bumper to bumper warranty, they said it didnt cover those parts. Oh I got that crap straightened out quickly with a call to the main headquarters but you shouldn't have to go through that kind of stuff. There was another time I bought a car and paid lots of cash for the extra warranty and when I had to get it serviced and they were going to have it for a week, I was supposed to get a rental car for the duration. They tried telling me that because I was under 21 at the time, they couldn't do it because their insurance wouldn't cover me. Again, I PAID for this warranty, if your going to sell someone a warranty with an item, then you best be prepared to back up said warranty. Oh and then they wanted to charge me for all the stuff they had to do that car to, even though it was 100% covered under the warranty. Shady people EVERYWHERE! Its a shame that business's will try to do that to their customers. That is only 2 of many stories that I could tell you over warranties and used and refurbished stuff I have been through over the years. It is going to have to be one hell of a deal to make me think about a used, anything. No chance you went to Keffer Independence Blvd? I live in Charlotte and sounds exactly like what they tried to do to me with warranty claims... |
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Post by doomsday on Jul 9, 2012 16:09:25 GMT -5
I have to say that over the years, I have determined there are two things that I really distrust. Refurbished and used stuff. Most of the time (again in my opinion) refurbished is usually bad. The reasons it was refurbished in the first place was usually due to it having a problem. That doesn't mean they fixed it when they supposedly reset it to factory specs. Used is even worse. Sure you may find some great deals and they be perfectly fine, but what are the odds that its a piece of junk that someone is trying to push off on someone else. You see that kind of thing around here all the time. As far as warranties goes, they are only as good as the dealership that will actually back them. I bought a car once with bumper to bumper warranty. The AC unit went out within the first 3 months of owning the car. My wife took it to the dealership we bought it from, to get it fixed. After being there for 6 hours and finally getting ready to leave, they charged her full price for the work and the parts. When she told them that the car had bumper to bumper warranty, they said it didnt cover those parts. Oh I got that crap straightened out quickly with a call to the main headquarters but you shouldn't have to go through that kind of stuff. There was another time I bought a car and paid lots of cash for the extra warranty and when I had to get it serviced and they were going to have it for a week, I was supposed to get a rental car for the duration. They tried telling me that because I was under 21 at the time, they couldn't do it because their insurance wouldn't cover me. Again, I PAID for this warranty, if your going to sell someone a warranty with an item, then you best be prepared to back up said warranty. Oh and then they wanted to charge me for all the stuff they had to do that car to, even though it was 100% covered under the warranty. Shady people EVERYWHERE! Its a shame that business's will try to do that to their customers. That is only 2 of many stories that I could tell you over warranties and used and refurbished stuff I have been through over the years. It is going to have to be one hell of a deal to make me think about a used, anything. No chance you went to Keffer Independence Blvd? I live in Charlotte and sounds exactly like what they tried to do to me with warranty claims... No, it was Town and Country ford. |
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Post by doomsday on Jul 9, 2012 16:13:12 GMT -5
We are talking in the price range of a New 2009 Aprilia Sport City 250 that puts out over 20 hp and can carry 460lbs which is still avaiable with a full parts and labor warranty for $2,999. A fuel injected, water cooled bike with 15 inch tires that is a blast to ride carving canyons and other twisty roads. Comes with twin front disk and single disk rear brakes that provide plenty of controlable stopping power. That is a nice looking scooter but I really do like the touring look better then the standard scooter look. Not that I will actually get to do any real touring, I just like the look better. I swear it is so hard to actually make up my mind lol. |
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Post by djroe on Jul 9, 2012 20:04:03 GMT -5
just graduated from my roketa 250 to 2012 burgman 650 and loving it. paid the extra cash for new with 5 yr warranty (thinkin same as jwalz1). almost purchased 2007 majesty 400 with 8000k for $3600.00 (nice scoot!), but i was sold on the burgie after i test rode it. hands down an awesome scoot.
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Post by rockynv on Jul 10, 2012 4:32:01 GMT -5
We are talking in the price range of a New 2009 Aprilia Sport City 250 that puts out over 20 hp and can carry 460lbs which is still avaiable with a full parts and labor warranty for $2,999. A fuel injected, water cooled bike with 15 inch tires that is a blast to ride carving canyons and other twisty roads. Comes with twin front disk and single disk rear brakes that provide plenty of controlable stopping power. That is a nice looking scooter but I really do like the touring look better then the standard scooter look. Not that I will actually get to do any real touring, I just like the look better. I swear it is so hard to actually make up my mind lol. You get so much more capacity on the Aprilia with the 460 lb rating. Most of the 250/260 cc bikes such as the one you referenced can only carry around 300 lbs so you could only ride double if both rider and passenger weighed 150 to 165 lbs each and then have no capacity left for parcels, groceries, etc. I ride mine to work daily and have not missed a day since I got the bike asside from illness or a torrential storm with lightning on the ride to work. I will ride in the rain on the way home but don't like to spend a day in an office after getting wet even if I am wearing a rain suit. |
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Post by ve14326 on Jul 10, 2012 19:43:30 GMT -5
No chance you went to Keffer Independence Blvd? I live in Charlotte and sounds exactly like what they tried to do to me with warranty claims... No, it was Town and Country ford. We bought our Van at Town and Country Ford...got a great deal on a Certified Van...but have never gone back after I did get the runaround over my first free oil change the gave me the coupon to receive. If you need ethical work done, I highly recommend Young Ford on Tryon. The Service Manager, Eric, is a completely straight up guy. |
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Post by roboscoot on Jul 10, 2012 21:30:48 GMT -5
i fully concur with everything jwalz1 has said.......personally i would look for a used kymco grand vista......while phased out........its a reliable ride........
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Post by doomsday on Jul 12, 2012 18:14:06 GMT -5
Rocky, where do you see the aprillia 250's for 2999? Around me, they are 4700 bucks for the 2009's.
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Post by prodigit on Jul 16, 2012 15:33:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies and suggestions guys!
I just want something to cruise around with. Originally my budget was $1600; but I found this BMS, for $1000 more, but it has some upgraded feats, like a sturdier fork, and better shocks, and bigger disc brakes.
A burgman would be $10k, and way too far out of my budget!
I'm more looking for casual driving; not too light, 250CC is good, but nothing less than that!
I also only want new, with warranty. Not second hand!
I also like the burgman looks, not so fond of sport or choppers, neither motorbikes.
I basically want a bike to drive around with on my days off, few times a month; to have fun. Not to cruise large distances.
The HP rating is low indeed, but as long as I can drive 45MPH on most roads, and have a reasonable good gas mileage, I'd be happy!
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Post by justpassinthru on Jul 18, 2012 0:06:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies and suggestions guys! I just want something to cruise around with. Originally my budget was $1600; but I found this BMS, for $1000 more, but it has some upgraded feats, like a sturdier fork, and better shocks, and bigger disc brakes. A burgman would be $10k, and way too far out of my budget! I'm more looking for casual driving; not too light, 250CC is good, but nothing less than that! I also only want new, with warranty. Not second hand! I also like the burgman looks, not so fond of sport or choppers, neither motorbikes. I basically want a bike to drive around with on my days off, few times a month; to have fun. Not to cruise large distances. The HP rating is low indeed, but as long as I can drive 45MPH on most roads, and have a reasonable good gas mileage, I'd be happy! Really...check out used. A used Suzuki or Honda...is a million percent better than a Chinese scooter with a "warranty." I know this because my Burgman-clone Xingyue has been in the shop for three weeks awaiting warranty resolve on a major issue. Meantime,two months ago, I bought a Burgman 650 for $4500. Ten thousand miles on it. New tires. What do you want? If you want something to tinker with and hop up, a Chinese scoot is best. If you want TRANSPORTATION...look for the established Japanese brands. Seriously. Scooters are often bought by people who don't have a use for them; which means used Japanese is a lower price and far better buy than new Chinese. |
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