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Post by isellscoots on Jun 6, 2012 20:51:27 GMT -5
Hey,
Question for you dealers. I have been selling Bashan/Peace Sports for the last couple of years. Not meaning to start a big debate or don't want to bash anyone but is it me or does it seem like the quality of their scooters has kinda dropped?
Again, not wanting to start a big thing so please message me privately.
Thanks
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Post by mainepeace on Jun 6, 2012 22:06:42 GMT -5
I will say their dealer service has dropped. Can't get warranty parts. The product remains the same. I have started selling Tao Tao which for me are much cheaper and better quality, when they have the scooters in stock.
Greg
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Post by isellscoots on Jun 7, 2012 17:27:49 GMT -5
Hi,
I too just switched to Tao Tao. Their customer service is awesome. I think the scooters are of a a better quality and my customers seem to love em.
I only asked about Bashan/Peace Sports because it seems like they need a lot more prep than in past years. Again, it just may be me. Still a nice product I agree.
Thanks for the input. Greatly appreciated. :-)
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Post by Cookees on Jun 7, 2012 20:12:56 GMT -5
I would place Tao Tao in the middle tier of Chinese scoots. They are very popular with the drop-shippers, which makes it hard for a B&M dealer to utilize them.
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Post by mainepeace on Jun 7, 2012 21:38:54 GMT -5
Peace Sports is still in business. I just ordered a bunch of scooters from them last month. The wave has shifted from them last year to Tao Tao this year.
What I like are options, since the warehouses tend to sell out of popular colors quickly, and it becomes a shell game to find the exact scooter a customer wants.
Greg
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Post by Carolina Fun Machines on Jun 8, 2012 5:38:05 GMT -5
For a little more $$ PUMA or Gorillia Motor Works (both Znen Built Bikes) are hands down better quality, last longer and have better warranties and dealer support then Peace or Tao Tao.
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Post by hardd1 on Jun 8, 2012 7:42:47 GMT -5
I have much better luck with Lance scooters...parts and LABOR warranty....definitely better built than all other brands mentioned...  |
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Post by mainepeace on Jun 8, 2012 9:36:58 GMT -5
Gorilla contacted me last week. I've been thinking about carrying them.
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Post by hardd1 on Jun 9, 2012 5:44:16 GMT -5
we had Gorilla...decent machines...Znen built...still requires hours of PDI  |
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Post by jdikov on Jun 9, 2012 7:56:45 GMT -5
We have switched to importing only ZNEN scooters now. The quality is much better and their parts support is the best we have seen from a China Co. I bring in around$20k-$30k of parts with every couple containers so we can support the dealers and offer the 1 year warranty on the scoots.
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Post by Bintelli - Justin on Jun 9, 2012 23:12:07 GMT -5
Gorilla contacted me last week. I've been thinking about carrying them. We would love the chance to earn your business. Our scooters are also produced by Znen, our prices are comparable to Gorilla and Puma, but we offer many more upgrades. All of our scooters include: Motobatt™ batteries, Gates™ belts, NGK™ spark plugs, Deni™ carburetors, Duro™ tires, halogen lights, full cardboard packaging, full assembly packaging, and stainless steel exterior hardware. On a side note, I was in the Taotao factory two months ago and what I saw was scary. I've sold some of their scooters in the past as well, but after the inconstancy I saw at the factory, there's no way I could recommend that some one relies on their line for their main source of income. Workers would take any screw or nut they had laying around and use it. Their own manager admitted to me that they are cutting corners on the engines they are now building to save a few dollars. |
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Post by mainepeace on Jun 9, 2012 23:54:14 GMT -5
How does your cardboard packaging hold up? I had a shipment of 13 scooters last week. The guy unloading the truck DROPPED two of them on their sides from the top pallet. Not even a scratch on the plastics with the metal cages. Can you guarantee the scooters can handle that? What about a forklift gash in the side?
Greg
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Post by Bintelli - Justin on Jun 10, 2012 16:19:40 GMT -5
How does your cardboard packaging hold up? I had a shipment of 13 scooters last week. The guy unloading the truck DROPPED two of them on their sides from the top pallet. Not even a scratch on the plastics with the metal cages. Can you guarantee the scooters can handle that? What about a forklift gash in the side? Greg A forklift gash on the side of a scooter in a steel/cardboard packaging wouldn't fair any better than all cardboard, the steel is only around the parameter. We've been importing scooters for years in all cardboard and haven't had any issues. Not saying they are indestructible, but we haven't had any issues. |
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Post by hardd1 on Jun 11, 2012 7:11:45 GMT -5
I no longer buy "caged" scooters....additional labor time adds up..luv to roll them right out of the box.
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Post by jdikov on Jun 11, 2012 9:06:05 GMT -5
Most of the time the cardboard packing is just fine. The stell cages can cause minor scratches from rubbing on hte scooter if they get slightly bent.
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Post by delaware28 on Jun 11, 2012 15:01:57 GMT -5
cookees, what would be in your top tier of chinese scoots, who else besides tao tao would be in your middle tier and who falls in your bottom tier? thanks!
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Post by Carolina Fun Machines on Jun 11, 2012 15:07:40 GMT -5
cookees,
give us your thoughts on who belongs in the lower, middle and top tier of scooters.
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Post by mainepeace on Jun 12, 2012 21:09:52 GMT -5
We've been importing scooters for years in all cardboard and haven't had any issues. Not saying they are indestructible, but we haven't had any issues. Sounds good! Uncrating the frames are a huge PITA! I'll have to think about ordering a couple. Greg |
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Post by Bintelli - Justin on Jun 12, 2012 21:54:37 GMT -5
We'd love to add you to the Bintelli family so let me know if you'd like for me to send you a dealership packet to review. Maybe down the road we can do some scooters for lobsters trade  (love the logo by the way) |
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Post by hardd1 on Jun 15, 2012 15:01:34 GMT -5
we are adding Bintelli's to our line-up....  |
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Post by Bintelli - Justin on Jun 15, 2012 18:58:14 GMT -5
we are adding Bintelli's to our line-up.... We're happy to have you! Florida is filling up fast. Not many of the larger city territories are still available. July is going to be a fun month! |
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Post by Cookees on Jun 15, 2012 22:11:11 GMT -5
along cookees, give us your thoughts on who belongs in the lower, middle and top tier of scooters. Okay, here's my two cents: In the 250cc and down category: 1st Tier Honda scooters reign supreme....but so do their prices. Vespa/Piaggio/Aprilia... Great scooters...very pricey. 2nd Tier Kymco: Taiwanese. Great scoots, decent pricing, unrealistic dealer requirements. They really want to tag along to the Big Three Japanese motorcycle dealers. You will hardly ever find KYMCO as a stand-alone scooter dealership. SYM / Lance: Taiwanese. The equal of Kymco. Lance models are made by SYM and are virtually identical. More in-tuned to the independent scooter shop. Great quality. New distributor is doing it right! CFMOTO: Best scoot coming out of mainland China. Shot themselves in the foot by dropping their 150cc line. Third Tier: Linhai: Great scoots, being held back in US by ineffectual distributor. Znen: Good quality. Unfortunately they will make any level of quality you ask/pay for. Fourth Tier: Scooters out of the Jonway Group: JM Star, Shanghai Shenke, Jonway Icebear/ Hali Tao Tao Dong Fang Peace Hey, it's late...and I'm sure I forgot a bunch |
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Post by blowhardtwo on Jun 16, 2012 7:51:20 GMT -5
yeah....what he said
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Post by isellscoots on Jun 16, 2012 14:22:42 GMT -5
I have nothing but positive things to say about Tao Tao. My rep answers all my questions and emails. The parts guys is awesome too! No questions asked about replacement parts. My rep even offered to overnight my MSOs when I got a little anxious. I've also had no major issues with the product but I do an extensive PDI. So far so good to me. I am looking forward to working with Puma and Gorilla also. Be nice to offer my customers a nice variety. :-)
At least for right now, I am going to try and stray away from Peace Sports. They are nice enough but I am kinda having more problems than I care to with the products.:-(
I think I am also done with BMS. Almost $300 for shipping (I unit) is a bit much IMHO. Seems like their customer service use to be a bit better also.
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Post by Bintelli - Justin on Jun 16, 2012 16:31:56 GMT -5
I have nothing but positive things to say about Tao Tao. My rep answers all my questions and emails. The parts guys is awesome too! No questions asked about replacement parts. My rep even offered to overnight my MSOs when I got a little anxious. I've also had no major issues with the product but I do an extensive PDI. So far so good to me. I am looking forward to working with Puma and Gorilla also. Be nice to offer my customers a nice variety. :-) At least for right now, I am going to try and stray away from Peace Sports. They are nice enough but I am kinda having more problems than I care to with the products.:-( I think I am also done with BMS. Almost $300 for shipping (I unit) is a bit much IMHO. Seems like their customer service use to be a bit better also. It sounds like your rep needs to handle more dealers... the ones we have spoken with never make anything easy. I have a pile of Taotao scooters that need warranty parts that I've been waiting months on. Which location and which rep do you deal with? Shipping 1 unit freight to a business address should be in the neighborhood of $125-$175, that's what our rates are running. |
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Post by hardd1 on Jun 22, 2012 5:47:19 GMT -5
our service dept luvs tao tao's....cannot believe how many tires we change.
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Post by jdikov on Jun 30, 2012 20:29:51 GMT -5
We have been setting up lots of new dealers in FL also this year but still have some open territories available. On a parts note: we are selling tons of part to people who sel lTao Taos because apparently they cannot get parts from them. Most of our dealers are doing quite a robust parts business because they make such high margins on them.
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(love the logo by the way)