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Post by jwalz1 on May 4, 2012 12:41:23 GMT -5
Picked the bike up today and rode 35 miles home. Bare in mind that except for the safety course and a couple days riding a rental moped, I have NO experience with motorized bikes.
I took the bike on some 30mph city streets, which led to a 40mph river parkway. Then to a 50 mph river parkway and finally a jaunt on the freeway to get home. I was a little nervous, but this is a four lane divided at the edge of the city with real sparse traffic during non rush hour and I was feeling pretty good with the bike so I took the last two miles to get home. Had it up to a little over 70 a couple times.
The good: It is no crotch rocket but it has decent power. I was pleased with 0-50 mph performance. Weighted really well for city driving. On the 50mph + it still has power to go faster but does not accelerate as briskly. I liked to jump away form traffic at stops and lights to create a bubble and I think some of the driver were a little surprised at the take off.
Seating position is very comfortable for me at 5'6". It was fun to floor it from the 0-40 range. Cornering was just fine though I am no expert, but even though I was just getting my sea legs, I could press and lean it at speed and press a little more to tighten the corner and it did all this for a newbie without any drama. Fit and finish is good with a couple issues. I thought I would be terrified to go 70 but it was very stable and I had to give it a little gas to keep some distance from several semis that piled up at a light in front of me. It was still easily accelerating at that speed as well. Except for the fact that it is really windy here today I did not notice anything too uncomfortable except for a little squirreliness during gusts at above 60 mph. A tiny bit of buffetng on my helmet at higher speeds.
Overall was really fun and un-intimdating.
The good: pretty much everything. Well made machine.
The Bad: The keys. They are flimsy and you need to twist them hard to open the seat and monkey with the gas cap. The metal would twist a bit and made me worry the key was going to snap. I would hate to get stuck somewhere having snapped a key in the ignition trying to open the seat.
I like the front brake, but I guess I can see where some of the professional reviews take issue with "initial bite". They come on smoothly and get very strong but even a good grab will not put you over the handlebars. A couple practice panic stops went without issue but the bikes I rode in safety class grab right now and will vault you, if that is what is supposed to be a sign of good brakes then these are short I guess, but I liked them. Rear brakes are strong.
No locking glove box. That would be nice to have.
No LED's for taillights. A $20 fix but they should have them.
Overall a fun ride. I will post pics later.
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Post by ScootForFun on May 4, 2012 13:01:40 GMT -5
Congrats. That's one sweet ride!  Now is that a brand spankin new one, or is it used, and if so, how many miles on it? Only reason I ask is if it's new, I thought there was supposed to be a break in period? |
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Post by loganhes on May 4, 2012 13:04:08 GMT -5
Kymco makes great scooters. I have a 150cc Super 8 and I love it!!! Congrats on your new scooter!
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Post by richardthescooter1 on May 4, 2012 13:19:59 GMT -5
Congrats jwalz1, I remember my first time out with my scoot, nervous, excited, but once you get going Wow! I love it, Awesome ride. Each time you will gain more experience and ability to drive your scoot safely. I went through the safety course, it is worth it, it has saved me countless times. Drive safe and have fun!
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Post by jwalz1 on May 4, 2012 14:14:44 GMT -5
It was new, but a 2011 leftover that the dealer was quite flexible on the price.  0 miles when I picked it up. Yeah, the break in period. I hear both sides of the argument of easy vs. hard break in. I tried to go easy for the first ten miles. It never got above 40. Then after that the speeds varied with a few full throttle starts to 40 mph, and a couple moderate runs up to 70 on the freeway. Oddly enough, there is no mention of any break in procedure in the owners manual, and the dealer said, "go easy the first few miles and then let it rip." |
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Post by jwalz1 on May 4, 2012 14:38:41 GMT -5
  Crappy pictures but I was surprised how big it was when I got it home. The car in the second pic is about the size of a Miata and the Downtown goes about 3/4 of the length of the car. I have never been up close to a Reflex, they always looked big in the videos I saw, but I would guess this is about the same size. |
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Post by trigger on May 4, 2012 18:54:11 GMT -5
Nice ride.
I sat on one at the Indy GP where the dealers set up their bikes. I really liked the fit to me (I am 5'10"), and I believe it is fuel injected. How is the storage, I tried to look but couldn't figure out the trunk, and didn't want to bug up a dealer bike just poking around?
Beyond the fundamentals of riding, remember to be alert. I have ridden many many years, but when I got my new Burgman 400 last year it easily took me hundreds of miles to get comfortable with it.
I think your front brakes sound about right, remember they haven't bed in yet. Your break in sound good too. I believe in breaking it in like you ride it, except for long high speed freeway runs (like 15 miles or more).
My Burgman has a locking glove box, but I usually leave it unlocked. If someone wants to take a look, or get my stuff fine, there is nothing but maps, a $10 air pump, and stuff in there. All my papers are kept under the seat.
Look forward to a future report.
Cheers,
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Post by jwalz1 on May 5, 2012 10:16:30 GMT -5
As far as storage goes it is pretty good but since it is my first ride, I don't have much to compare it to. Kymco shows a pair of full faced helmets in it in one of their promotional videos, but I tried to get mine in the most forward spot and failed miserably. It went in but did not close. I think the helmets in the video are Arai which have a smaller shell size than some other brands and mine is a Scorpion size XL for my giant bobble head. But I only tried once and did not mess with it much. I have heard people say they fit a full face and a half helmet. My XL melon protector fits easily in the rearward position though.
I think you could fit at least two fairly full plastic grocery bags under the seat if the contents were flexible and not say, milk cartons or anything. Maybe even a third under the seat and it does have a bag hook on the tunnel for a fourth. I would like to get a top case with a bracket that is not too large and allows quick connect and disconnect because I dont want the case on all the time. Suggestions welcome.
I also could complain about the battery location because it is apparently a half hour job to get the battery out (you have to remove quite a bit) but the dealer installed a pig tail for a battery tender for free so that was nice of them.
I really had a negative notion of this dealer because the price tags they put on the scooters are REALLY ambitious for the out the door price with dealer "prep" and "freight" markup. But they quoted me a low price, were really friendly, added the pig tail, stored the bike in their warehouse for a month until I got my license, etc. They have been really great. I am happy to go to them for anything I need in the future. They have made a customer for life.
They also had a bunch of different models I was looking at a month ago and they are all gone. They told me they have been selling like crazy. They sold a couple Blurs, and had two brand new People GT 300's with sold tags on them. Their two Yagers were gone. Several Buddys being prepped for delivery. People are buying.
I would like to get another scooter or two. I never understood why motorcycle people always have several bikes. I think I get it now. Super 8's look like so much fun to me. If they fuel inject that thing and make it a little zippier, I dont think I will be able to resist. They are so cool looking. I also like the Blur, and they had a used Buddy Blackjack, and........................
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Post by jwalz1 on Jun 1, 2012 10:11:45 GMT -5
Wanted to update because I had my first full day ride on the bike. As a novice rider, it was a very nice feeling to put on about 170 miles in a day on some twisty roads and by the end of the day feel more like the bike was an extension of your body than a machine you were trying to control. I gained a lot more confidence on the bike and have only about 2cm chicken strips left on the tires. I think I now know enough about it to say that it corners very well. My riding buddy took it for a spin, (he has an older XJ650) and his comments were "that thing is super nimble and really corners" and "it is really smooth" (I think refering to the thumper). His bike is about a 450 pounder but had 70 hp and while he was not drag racing, the under 50 mph stuff I kept up with him very easily and it ran beautifully. We did a couple long straight stretches on a couple carless country roads and squirted the throttle a little past the 80mph mark. Not an issue and still climbing but that was as fast as I really ever want to go. I have read some people had it to 95mph, I believe with my 150 pounds it could get there, but I won't find that out. 70 mph is no problem for the engine, does it fairly effortlessly and even a guy with only 350 miles under his belt is not worried about the stability. It was windy in the afternoon and sudden crosswind blasts startle me a little at that speed but did nothing dramatic to the bike. We went to a popular spot in western Wisconsin called "the alphabet roads" which are a series of letter named country roads that wind through wooded country along different small rivers and such just to the east of the scenic St Croix. While patches of gravel were VERY common and some of the road conditions were poor, it was very nice to lean it over and ride the s-curves lazily in the 50-55 mph range. My friend wanted to take some of them much faster, but keeping an eye out for gravel was more my concern and I actually enjoyed the ride more at a slower pace. Taking in the scenery through a lazy 55 mph turn gave me more satisfaction that the added g-force and concentration of taking it at 65-70. Wind protection is really good except for the top of your helmet. Two more inches on the windscreen would go a long way, but it is a two position adjustable and I have not messed with it yet. Seat was very comfortable and I had no issue with it. I had more issue with the fit of my jeans and a particular gonad, but that is too much information. Brakes are very good with one issue, some may like others may not. There is a lot of power in the brakes. The rear brake is like dropping an anchor when you give it a hard squeeze. The bike I rode for the safety course you had to be real careful with because it would really grab and in a panic could really put you over the handle bars so you needed a light touch to modulate. The Kymco is kind of the opposite, the stopping power is there, but you really need to give some effort to get that slam-you-forward off the seat effect. I actually like it alot, but for most around town riding, with steady effort on the brakes, I get strong braking but feel more from the rear (without lock). Not sure how that will effect long term tire wear. I am really happy with the choice, even though I will have a small monthly payment for a couple years. It is a really nice bike and seems very capable and does a lot well. First tank not broken in was lots of full throttle and well over half in the 55-65 mph range but still got a hair over 65mpg. I can also say, and this is just a vibe I get with no real proof, is that the white color and you can see from the pics the headlight array, it seems to be fairly visable to people. When on low beam, the top lights are on and the led ring is on on the lower ones as well, if you pull and hold the flash to pass, the whole entire front end lights up. I am going to actually do some modification to it I saw on another forum for more lighting but it can go down the road with more lights than a UFO. When on the winding roads and in the shadow of the tress, my friend told me that the headlights really stick out. Extremely pleased. |
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Post by tangojetta on Jun 1, 2012 12:48:46 GMT -5
Nice review on the scooter!
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Post by jwalz1 on Jun 10, 2012 0:23:12 GMT -5
Second tank, lot of 60+ mph, 70.5 MPG.
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Post by ltdhpp on Jun 10, 2012 10:54:32 GMT -5
How flexible was the dealer on that price??? I love the way those big Kymco's look...
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Post by jwalz1 on Jun 10, 2012 18:08:54 GMT -5
How flexible was the dealer on that price??? I love the way those big Kymco's look... Pm'ed. Second tank 71.5 mpg. Counting one-one thousand method with my 150 pounds on it, and broken in, I get from a dead stop to 60 in a hair under nine seconds. Playing with the idea of sliders for next year. Some people on the Kymco board have done it and it shaved 2 seconds off their 60 time, and they list themselves at 220+. The bike starts out and gets out to 10 mph and then suddenly takes off between there and about 45 really briskly. Its not a rocket ship but easily stays ahead of traffic if you want it too. |
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Post by cpete1 on Jun 11, 2012 21:02:16 GMT -5
Jwalz. thanks much for the write-ups. I was looking at the Kymcos at Americade in lake George NY. I was under the assumption that the downtown was on the same platform as the Exciting and thats not the case. I'm 5'4" so the exciting was a tad high. The downtown felt great. I own a CF-Moto Fashion (QLink commuter) and a 1100 Yamah V-star. Seriously thinking about getting rid of both of them and getting a Mid-size scooter. The kymco rep told me to try out the downtown but I was pinched for time. It sounds like it is more than capable by your description. Please keep us posted. It all helps. Thanks again
Chris
PS 170 miles in one ride is long ride, congratulations.
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Post by phipsd on Jun 19, 2012 23:42:57 GMT -5
Jwalz: It's good that you are happy with your bike but your statements about braking need some expert feedback. A bike like your Downtown will generate most of it's stopping power from the front in a true emergency.
A 400lb bike is not a bicycle. You will not go over the handlebars. When stopping weight transfers to the front and this greatly reduces the amount of grip and stopping power available from the rear.
The harder the stop; the greater the weight transfer to the front; and the greater the amount of available grip and stopping power must come from the front.
You can't just suddenly grab a big handful of front brake, I take a brief moment to ease on the front to transfer the weight to the front before using the front brake to the limit.
After 44 years of riding in all kinds of conditions including ice and snow I can tell you this. Not understanding how motorcycle brakes work or how to use them to best effect greatly increases the risk that you will come to a bad end.
I recomend some advanced rider training. It's the best money you will ever spend.
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Post by jwalz1 on Jun 20, 2012 18:35:21 GMT -5
phipsd,
Thanks for the feedback. I guess I would maybe suggest you try one if you can and see if you don't find the same thing. I read one review on the Kymco board from an experienced rider and he suggested the brakes seemed rear biased. Another review I read online from the UK described the front as having a "lack of initial bite". It is a single disk front and a rear.
I understand the physics of it, and read the article on bike braking from "Proficient Motorcycling" but I can only say that with even pressure to the grips, you get more or a dragging the rear feel than a weight transfer to the front feel. I can make it brake REALLY hard from the front but it requires a LOT of effort. The rear seems to brake much harder with less effort.
With equal pressure it seems to have a rear bias, but can brake much harder if you change that with harder pressure to the right lever. I am not sure if it is this way on purpose or by mistake. My preference would be to get better bite with less effort on the front, it just wont seem to do it without biased effort from my hands.
But it is due for its 600 mile first service so I can ask them to check it but from what I read, it is not abnormal to the bike. I would have to check the manual to see if the rear is a bigger disk but it does carry a lot of weight on the rear wheel. I have practiced a few panic stops and it will bite hard in the front and throw me forward off the seat a little, but only with REAL deliberate effort on the right lever.
I suppose it is possible it has air in the front brake line but it does not feel spongy, it feels firm. The only other two motorcycles I have ever ridden, the front brake was really grabby and did not take that much effort to brake real hard. My particular Downtown is not that way at all.
Went for a tour of a facility today for my job and saw a nice old Helix and Reflex in the parking lot. It's scooting weather.
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Post by prodigit on Jul 17, 2012 22:57:11 GMT -5
Those bikes better be good!
You're paying 3-4x the amount of what a top of the line chinese scooter costs; and some of these chinese scooters get good reviews too (especially considering the price).
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Post by jwalz1 on Jul 18, 2012 9:40:51 GMT -5
Those bikes better be good! It is. VeryYou're paying 3-4x the amount of what a top of the line chinese scooter costs; Not quite, I paid $4600 or about twice the price of a Linhai or VOG fuel injected, but for a more solid and powerful product.. and some of these chinese scooters get good reviews too (especially considering the price). I am sure some do and I shopped the Chinese scooters, they just could not deliver what I wanted. I seriously considered a Jonway/Roketa Reflex clone or a Linhai, but there is a huge difference between a carbed Chinese bike that will do 65 and a fuel injected bike with twice the horsepower that will do over 90 with me on it. You are comparing apples to tangeringes. I would have pulled the trigger on a chinese bike, but since I have a stretch of 65mph road on my way to work, I wanted something with a lot left in the engine at 65 mph instead of topped out. A twist of the throttle at 65 and you are at 75 and still pulling in just a few seconds without much effort. Plenty of Chinese bikes are nice, but make no mistake, Kymco's are excellent products. |
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Post by Kiwiscoot on Aug 7, 2012 22:56:58 GMT -5
your front brake feel could be due to the factory brake pads. My SYM Citycom's front brake feel improved heaps when I changed out the factory pads. The factory pads felt like "pieces of wood" to me, got no real feedback from them.
Enjoy your ride, they are wonderful scoots.
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Post by mrnoitall on Aug 8, 2012 11:03:32 GMT -5
I'd buy the 300i or any Kymco or SYM in a second if it weren't for the horrific resale. I go through them to fast to justify the loss.
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Post by rockynv on Aug 8, 2012 12:05:11 GMT -5
Those bikes better be good! You're paying 3-4x the amount of what a top of the line chinese scooter costs; and some of these chinese scooters get good reviews too (especially considering the price). The Aprilia 250cc Sport City is still available for $2,999 and pulls like a 650cc bike. A good value at just a few hundred more that a upper tier Chinese clone bike. 4 valve head, fuel injection and 15 inch tires with a 460+ lb rider/passenger capacity. Mine has been to 90+ mph (gps) motoring along with interstate traffic. |
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Post by mrnoitall on Aug 8, 2012 14:13:10 GMT -5
Those bikes better be good! You're paying 3-4x the amount of what a top of the line chinese scooter costs; and some of these chinese scooters get good reviews too (especially considering the price). The Aprilia 250cc Sport City is still available for $2,999 and pulls like a 650cc bike. HYPERBOLE ALERT!!! LOL Cycle-world cloaked the SportCity 0-60 at 14.3 seconds or about three second slower than the heaviest SUV on the planet, the Hummer. The slowest 650 on the planet should hit 60 in under 5 seconds. |
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Post by jwalz1 on Aug 9, 2012 18:53:23 GMT -5
The Aprilia 250cc Sport City is still available for $2,999 and pulls like a 650cc bike. HYPERBOLE ALERT!!! LOL Cycle-world cloaked the SportCity 0-60 at 14.3 seconds or about three second slower than the heaviest SUV on the planet, the Hummer. The slowest 650 on the planet should hit 60 in under 5 seconds. Yeah I hear people say good things about the Sport City but the only video review I saw said the 0-60 was at least 12+ seconds from memory. It is a nice looking scooter though I have to say. And I bet it handles bumps and brakes better than mine, but everyday the tales of how fast it goes get a little taller. I just hit 700 miles on the Downtown and it feels like it has gotten a little quicker and is loosening up a bit. Have to get it in for the first service which was due at 600 miles. $75 for a couple oil changes at the dealer. |
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Post by prodigit on Aug 11, 2012 1:17:38 GMT -5
I'm surprised you write it has no LED tail lights!
For the rest, it's about the same experience I got on my BMS TBX 260 EFI, only my slower acceleration starts at 65, all the way to 75, then creeping to 80.
If you want to test stability, try max speed, and hold the steering bar loosely with the hands, and keep holding it more loose until your hands are off the throttle (driving without hands).
If at max speed the front wheel starts to oscillate, it's not a stable bike, but as many have said, it's a stable bike from a reputable brand. I did the same on my BMS at 80mph, and no oscillation.
Concerning the break in period, best is to do it for the first 50 miles, then change gear and engine oil. After that, another breakin for 25 miles (at 45MPH you'll get there fast, it's just a few trips), gadually take higher speeds, and change oil again on the first 100 mile mark!
Depending on the oil you use, the bike will go faster at high speeds, or have more torque at low speeds. Thicker motor oil (15W40) gives less torque at lower speeds, but should give higher max speed (when the motor is hot) and better lubrication. 10W30 gives better torque at lower speeds, but less good lubrication at high speeds.
Concerning the key, go to a locksmith or scooter store, and get the key replicated, just in case!
A locking glove box is mainly useless since anyone willing to open it can (even with locks), most people can pry open the sides anyway, and at worst break the lid. Never leave valuables in there!
Helmets: Same on the BMS, a full faced helmet fits, but a second helmet should be half size, or Small full faced. I have a large and it barely fits in the compartment.
Concerning brakes, yes, they need to settle in. They'll get better over time, however, when you brake, and the weight shifts to the front, the bike will tilt, and that also gives you the impression of better stopping. When the front suspension is settled in a bit better, it will feel like your bike brakes harder, but in reality the bike will just tilt forward more. The harder the shocks, the less the effect of flying over your steering wheel, and at a meager 150LBS, your front forks won't cushion too much in the beginning.
I would have gone for the downtown or a more modern version, if I had the money. Then I turned to the $1600 chinese scooters, and finally settled with a $2700 one, because it had EFI and adjustable suspension. 80MPH is crazy fast, and hurts my ears driving so fast!
But for anything below 65MPH, a 150cc to 250cc is perfect.
If I had to do all over again, I probably would have bought a 125cc if it's just me, and a 150cc if it's me and my wife, for city and local driving. And a 400cc for long distances (Burgman).
The 260 I have did 45-50MPG on the first fuelup. I expect it to do slightly better soon though, when I'm less into full throttle acceleration.
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Post by massscoot on Aug 15, 2012 18:23:20 GMT -5
Jwalz1: Congrats on your semi-new purchase! I just bought a brand-new Kymco GT300i today in Silver. I owned a 2004 Kymco People S200 (air-cooled 163cc) scooter in the past. I'll be taking delivery early next week!
I'll create a new thread once I take her out for 200+ miles. I hope your Downtown 300i is doing well for you! I like your scoot. Just that it's too low for me! I'm 6'1"
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Post by jwalz1 on Aug 15, 2012 19:02:42 GMT -5
Looking forward to your review Massscoot. I like those to but if you are too tall for a Downtown I am to short for a People. My neighbor is picking one up in a couple months, I will send your review link to him.
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Post by cpete1 on Aug 16, 2012 7:06:26 GMT -5
jwalz, when ya going to give us an update. Hows the Downtown on the interstate? Can it fill the bill as an "all-around" bike? Does it have syfficient juice on the highway to move out of a jam?
Chris
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Post by massscoot on Aug 16, 2012 11:39:17 GMT -5
Those bikes better be good! You're paying 3-4x the amount of what a top of the line chinese scooter costs; and some of these chinese scooters get good reviews too (especially considering the price). The Aprilia 250cc Sport City is still available for $2,999 and pulls like a 650cc bike. A good value at just a few hundred more that a upper tier Chinese clone bike. 4 valve head, fuel injection and 15 inch tires with a 460+ lb rider/passenger capacity. Mine has been to 90+ mph (gps) motoring along with interstate traffic. I looked into the Aprilla earlier this summer. In Mass. we have 3 dealers, 2 of which are dropping Aprilla based on their parts delivery. One said parts would be on backorder for months @ a time. He said he couldn't do business like that. Seems like a nice scooter just the same. |
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Post by jwalz1 on Aug 16, 2012 19:12:15 GMT -5
jwalz, when ya going to give us an update. Hows the Downtown on the interstate? Can it fill the bill as an "all-around" bike? Does it have syfficient juice on the highway to move out of a jam? Chris Hi Chris, I might not be the person to answer that question because I like to avoid the interstate. The bike will do and hold 70 without breaking a sweat. I have had it up to 85 and still pulling but as a newly licensed rider, that was as fast as I want to go. At 70, it is not a rocket, but if you need to get to 75 or a little more to pass you certainly don't need miles to do it. It is probably similar to a four cylinder car for that kind of thing. I live just off of a highway that is 60 mph for a stretch and then 65 mph. When I ride to work, I leave at off peak times because I don't want to mix it up with rush hour traffic. I will get it up to speed and find an open spot. A couple times I have pulled onto the freeway at ahead of a glob off traffic and I will gun it up to 70-75 to stay ahead of everyone and it does it without any complaint. I am, however 155 pounds so it may be more lively for me than some other people. It has seemed like it is loosening up a lot lately but I have not had it out on the freeway for a couple weeks to see any difference, just around the 50mph and less kind of roads. But where I live, traffic can be way more sedate than other areas of the country. When it says 60 is the limit, the fastest people are generally at 70mph. Sometimes when I travel to other states 60 mph seems to mean 80, so I guess you can convert its capabilities to where you ride. From what I have read from others on the Kymco forum, 90-95 is top speed depending on your weight on the stock rollers and the speedo is very accurate for a scooter. There is a video on Youtube of someone getting it to a hair over 100mph (his speedo gets to about 165 kmph)but he has changed the clutch, variator and rollers. I think it would do 75 all day long and not take forever to get there, but the most performance is up to 60, it levels off some after that, and after 75 it still pulls but not like a sports car. If you plan to drive at mostly 75 mph or less, it should not be a problem. When you say does it have enough juice to get out of a jam, it is all relative. If the jam is at 60-70 mph, sure. If the jam is when everyone is doing 75, then maybe. If you are on a highway doing 80 and need more, then you might want a TMAX. But people report great improvment from Dr Pulley Sliders from stock. I might try that next year. It essentially is about the same weight and power as a 250 Ninja or Honda CBR 250 motorcycle, but it has CVT characteristics. Those will both get to around 100 mph. Most of the Chinese 250-300cc bikes are advertising 15-18 horsepower, this one is 29 so there is a difference. And the fuel injected starting/throttle response is great. Still getting low to mid 70's for mileage. |
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Post by cpete1 on Aug 17, 2012 7:01:16 GMT -5
Thanks Jwalz, that tells me a lot. I sat on one at Americade and it fit great. Having a battle with myself as to whether I go to the downtown or look at something bigger like the silverwing. Still sorting things out. I appreciate ,very much ,the input new rider or not. Stay safe. Might have to find one and do a test drive. Thanks for the update.
Chris
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