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Post by dragzilla on Jan 10, 2012 17:48:33 GMT -5
I love the look of the yamaha Morphous, but not the price. I love working on my 2 wheel scooters as well....so, I noticed that Ice Bear has a 3 wheeler with the mophous style body, and was wondering if anyone has any experience with this model. Also, anything I should be aware of before I switch to 3 wheels ? I have never driven one before. I would assume that the pdi would be a bit more involved, is it a chain drive to a separate gear box ?
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Post by chaz12 on Jan 10, 2012 19:53:15 GMT -5
Yes, from what I understand, it still has a CVT belt and a chain. I think it comes with a 300cc engine and appears to be easy to ride. Cost somewhere around $3900 new.. The chain goes to rear spocket to a pully and the pully is connected to the clutch on the other side of scooter which connects to a belt. So basically it is still belt driven.
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Post by terrilee on Jan 10, 2012 20:01:48 GMT -5
i just wonder about the ride !!!!
all my life, i lean into turns
how do u do that on a trike??
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Post by ustacould on Jan 10, 2012 21:02:04 GMT -5
You might want to check with Rapid Jim because he is great vendor for Ice Bear and other scooters. He sells and services his machines plus he has a stellar reputation on this board.
rapidrepair.webs.com
Support/Sales 715-825-3710
Authorized Roketa & Ice Bear B/M Dealer.
If you look down about 6 entries down from yours you will see one that is "300cc stator checks" should give you a little insight about Jim.
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Post by dragzilla on Jan 11, 2012 6:41:49 GMT -5
My main concearn is how durrable is the drive train in these things, and are they any more difficult to work on than my 2 wheel scooters.
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Post by imnts2 on Jan 11, 2012 7:33:35 GMT -5
Why a trike? Where do you ride ? for what purpose? I am of the opinion there are few places you can ride a 150CC scoot and keep up with traffic. and a 150 trike will be slower. And I do not expect 4 wheelers to be one bit more patient or attentive to a trike than they are to one another or a 2 wheeler. I am not sure a 250 without a 4 valve head and EFI and a real transmission will keep up with traffic well enough and ride well enough to be reasonably safe. Put simply, this is not Europe or Asia but the US with open roads and an awful lot of 65 to 85 MPH traffic. I set my Merc on GPS 65 and make 30MPG and let them pass me. But I would be scared with with my Majesty at 65 in many places.
All I am saying is be careful. A small mistake and it is a long while regret it.
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Post by chaz12 on Jan 11, 2012 10:22:35 GMT -5
No matter what, two wheels is faster than three. On a two wheel scooter you have the opportunity to lean into a curve and the trike you must slow down. On the trike, I have seen the rear tire come off the ground going into curves. They can be a dangerous thing, because of being different than two wheels. I think, even though a 300cc engine, stocked will only do 55 mph.. Atleast from what it states on paperwork. My Bali scooter does 69 mph and is a 250cc.. It is due to the wieght difference..
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Post by rapidjim on Jan 11, 2012 10:58:05 GMT -5
Trike riding is somewhat different than 2 wheels. You "ride" to wheels and "Drive" 3 wheels.
Except for the Compeller, the Ice Bear 300cc machines have independent rear suspension and this greatly improves the ride and handling. With a straight axel machine you will get opposite wheel lift if corning to quickly, the independent rear changes this because each wheel is allowed to "flex" on its own.
PDI is not all that much different from a 2 wheel scooter with the exception of the rear diff. Chain adjustment and lube is necessary. The motor still has a belt drive CVT. They are no harder to work on than a 2 wheeled scooter. Ice Bear did have a problem with reverse on their early 150's, they discontinued reverse on those machines. The early 300's were a cable operated reverse. They now have changed that to a shifter with Reverse, Neutral and Drive. The main thing to keep in mind is that when you PDI the machine the first time, make sure that the shifter is adjusted so that it fully engages both in reverse and forward. Adjustment should be done at the shifter end of the linkage, not at the transmission. If it does not, then you are going to have premature wear and problems. Frankly, unless you are handicapped, I see no need for reverse, the machine rolls very easily.
Speed does vary due to drivers weight and whether or not you carry a passenger. Average crusing speed is 60 - 65 after break in. Keep in mind a trike is geared different than a 2 wheeler.
All in all they are a great machine for the money. One thing I can say is that Ice Bear is constantly listening to their dealers and updating their machines.
Jim/Owner
Rapid Repair
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Post by dwatts5250 on Jan 11, 2012 14:43:41 GMT -5
What about the 3 wheel scooters that look like the Can Am Spyders? I know when we talk about trikes, one instantly pops into the traditional mindset of two wheels in the rear. I'd looked at a couple last week when I was gonna get a new Kymco Super 8 150, before the cat got sick (expensive lil furballs they are)
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Post by mzv on Jan 11, 2012 15:51:31 GMT -5
I vote - go with the Morphous
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Post by rapidjim on Jan 11, 2012 15:59:57 GMT -5
What about the 3 wheel scooters that look like the Can Am Spyders? I know when we talk about trikes, one instantly pops into the traditional mindset of two wheels in the rear. I'd looked at a couple last week when I was gonna get a new Kymco Super 8 150, before the cat got sick (expensive lil furballs they are) I have heard of many issues with the front end and alignment on the Chinese copy of the CanAm. My Ice Bear distributor use to carry them ( Made from a different manufacturer) the discontinued carrying them because of all the warranty issues with them and customer dissatisfaction. They didn't like the bad comments on a machine they did not manufacturer. Here is some good reading scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=threewheelers&action=display&thread=40933Jim/Owner Rapid Repair |
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Post by chaz12 on Jan 11, 2012 20:31:55 GMT -5
Well, places like Roketa also quit dealing in most trikes. So this leaves fewer places to get them. I would have a little fear in buying a trike because there maybe no place carrying them in a few years.
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Post by dragzilla on Jan 11, 2012 20:58:15 GMT -5
Well, I was looking at the exploded parts view of the Compeller, and the design looks very simple. I saw nothing that would intimidate me as far as working on it. Thanks for the info Jim. I wonder why Ice Bear didn't change the rear suspension to independent on the compeller model ? Figures that would be the one that I like....but the straight axle is simpler, with less parts to wear out.....something to ponder. I also read on some reviews that the rear fender set up is flimsy and needs to be reinforced. To tell you the truth, from what Ive seen, its kinda hard to justify spending 4 grand on one of these things.
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Post by rapidjim on Jan 12, 2012 9:14:59 GMT -5
Well, places like Roketa also quit dealing in most trikes. So this leaves fewer places to get them. I would have a little fear in buying a trike because there maybe no place carrying them in a few years. Roketa bought their trikes from Ice Bear. They were not selling many because Dealers would rather go directly to the source instead of buying from a middle man. I know because I am also a Roketa Dealer. As of right now, Ice Bear (Huzhou Daixi Zhenhua Technology Trade Co., Ltd) is the only distributor that I know of for Chinese Conventional Trikes. This does not include the CanAm style, they are made by someone else. Parts have never been a problem and I don't for see any changes to that. As I have said before, Ice Bear is constantly upgrading their machines. Jim |
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Post by rapidjim on Jan 12, 2012 9:34:58 GMT -5
Well, I was looking at the exploded parts view of the Compeller, and the design looks very simple. I saw nothing that would intimidate me as far as working on it. Thanks for the info Jim. I wonder why Ice Bear didn't change the rear suspension to independent on the compeller model ? Figures that would be the one that I like....but the straight axle is simpler, with less parts to wear out.....something to ponder. I also read on some reviews that the rear fender set up is flimsy and needs to be reinforced. To tell you the truth, from what Ive seen, its kinda hard to justify spending 4 grand on one of these things. I am not real sure why Ice Bear has not modified the Compeller yet. When I asked when they may change it, the response was they had no plans too. The Compeller has a lot longer wheel base than the Magnum and the ride was better until they changed the suspension. I am not sure about the Compeller but, the Magnum rear fender has been modified with stress holes. Also the mounting is more solid than on the early ones. The early ones, like the Compeller, is mounted to the rear end axel tubes, where the independent has a flat surface in the middle of the rear end as well as mounting to the outside. Personally, for what you are buying I don't think the price is bad. Also that price includes shipping. Jim/Owner Rapid Repair |
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Post by piccola on Mar 3, 2012 13:17:12 GMT -5
First and formost, BUY A GOOD TRIKE, NOT A CHEAP CHINESE 150. I have a Honda Silver Wing that I had triked with a Tow Pac trike kit. Since it keeps the original drive wheel, it has 3 wheels in the back and one in the front. It is a very stable fast vehicle. I use it mostly for hwy riding.
Trikes do turn differently. You do lean, but the trike doesn't, instead of leaning into the curve, you lean out of it. The Mod Quad, (my triked Wing) has no problem keeping up with hwy traffic, it will do better than 80 if you want to eat gas. I try to keep my speed down to 65.
I highly recommend a good scoot with a trike kit for anyone considering that route. You'll have lots of good riding with very low maintainence.
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Post by Globs on Mar 3, 2012 14:01:00 GMT -5
i just wonder about the ride !!!!
all my life, i lean into turns
how do u do that on a trike??
i'd probably crash I must admit I am also puzzled. The leaning for the corners and the narrow profile are both vital to me, else I'd just use a small car. |
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Post by inuyasha on Mar 3, 2012 14:03:40 GMT -5
i just wonder about the ride !!!!
all my life, i lean into turns
how do u do that on a trike??
i'd probably crash I must admit I am also puzzled. The leaning for the corners and the narrow profile are both vital to me, else I'd just use a small car. Hi Give one of these  ;D a go then Take care and drive safely dear friend Yours Hank |
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Post by Globs on Mar 3, 2012 14:10:19 GMT -5
Yes I've seen those Hank, never understood what they were for TBH. Plus they look, well, I couldn't bring myself to ever ride one  |
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Post by inuyasha on Mar 3, 2012 14:24:25 GMT -5
Yes I've seen those Hank, never understood what they were for TBH. Plus they look, well, I couldn't bring myself to ever ride one Hi Thats too bad, my self i love the look and concept ;D Heres another one i simply adore As i get older they get more attractive, it would be nice not to have to worry about balancing while riding or putting down your feet at every stop ;D Take care and drive safely dear friend Yours Hank |
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Post by piccola on Mar 4, 2012 10:10:45 GMT -5
There are good reasons for using a trike. As folks get older, many of them have hip and knee problems that make it difficult or impossible to continue riding a 2 wheeler.
Then there are women like me. My legs are way too short to ride anything larger than a low riding 250. But I am also not heavy enough to anchor a 250 to the hwy at high speeds. The wind wash from cars and trucks about sends me flying off the road. So I keep my Honda Reflex 250 for back road riding and ride the much heavier Honda Silver Wing 600 trike on the hwy. (With the trike kit it is about 650 lbs.) It makes it possible for me to take long distance hwy trips I would not otherwise be able to do on Silvano, (the 250).
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Post by rapidjim on Mar 5, 2012 10:35:02 GMT -5
First and formost, BUY A GOOD TRIKE, NOT A CHEAP CHINESE 150. I have a Honda Silver Wing that I had triked with a Tow Pac trike kit. Since it keeps the original drive wheel, it has 3 wheels in the back and one in the front. It is a very stable fast vehicle. I use it mostly for hwy riding. Trikes do turn differently. You do lean, but the trike doesn't, instead of leaning into the curve, you lean out of it. The Mod Quad, (my triked Wing) has no problem keeping up with hwy traffic, it will do better than 80 if you want to eat gas. I try to keep my speed down to 65. I highly recommend a good scoot with a trike kit for anyone considering that route. You'll have lots of good riding with very low maintainence. Out of curiosity, how much do you have invested in your Silver Wing and Tow Pack. The last I saw the Tow Pac kit itself, without installation, started around $3000.00. Jim |
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Post by cliftonc on Mar 7, 2012 11:07:26 GMT -5
Yes I've seen those Hank, never understood what they were for TBH. Plus they look, well, I couldn't bring myself to ever ride one You would be surprised what you would ride if you had physical issues. I rode the Piaggio in the 250 form and was very impressed, but it was not in my budget. They are excellent handlers, and carve through curves like they are on rails. Great design. |
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Post by brooklyngal53 on Mar 16, 2012 10:57:49 GMT -5
I often wonder why those who like two wheel scooters would make comments on a trike forum? I know if I could ride 2 wheels I am sure I would, but since I cannot even ride a bicycle and I still want the option to ride. I will buy one of those "CHEAP" chinese trikes that fits my budget and love it.
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Post by turbo51henry on Mar 27, 2012 1:40:27 GMT -5
I've had a Mc95-250 Spider for one season. when I first got it it was verry squirelly. I saw that the tirod bolt (Castle nut) was taken up to its max and the carter pin was not even close to the slot in the Castle nut I had to buy washers and pad the bolt so that the nut could provide the contact that was needed for proper contact of the joint and also positioned the Castel nut to join with the carter pin porperly. I had to do this washer thing to the Ball Joints as well, the washers worked well for this and it quieted the front end down some. Then not having a clue as to how to align the Front end I did some reading. I was not able to get a stick across at the points that I needed to to make the needed adjustments so I towed both wheels out away from the center of the trike. (My garage floor is finished with a cement sealer which makes it very smooth like glass almost.) Then I put some red tape on the tirods. than pushing the trike across the floor the tires tried to tear the Bike in half, the tires would break away from the Cement floor and you could here a slight squeeking (like sneakers on a Jim floor.) I would turn the Tirod in 1/4 turn using the red tape to keep track of my movements this was done until the sneaker squeeks just disapeared. than repeated the process on the other side. than took it for a test drive and it was amazingly different to handle. I was able to ride it at mutch higher speed than before but I was not quite there yet. I played with the Camber and justput the top out just a tad and I mean almost impossable to see with the negad eye. I do this by first turning the Ball joints in or out uintil I get the wheel perfectly straight up and down using a level up against the front wheel, then making just a slight adjustment. The minimum would be one full turn on the balljoint. you want to turn it so that it kicks out the top of the tire. on both wheels. Now go back to the tirods and pull the front wheels in a tad at a time (like 1/8 of a turn) at a time looking down at the front wheels as I stand in front of the Tike and working with the red tape on the bar of the tirods to keep track of my turns. take it out and try it on a quiet street and check for improvements you do this and you should get very close to right. I'm dooing 55 and some times 60 with good control but dont go that fast on real patchey roads or cornering use good judgement. I stretched the hell out of my chain and threw it off. I've since got a new Chain and put it on and am waiting for my Chain Tensioner before hitting the road again. I know this sounds like Alice in wonderland but it worked for me. Make sure you take the trike out for test rides between adjustmentd often.
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Post by rapidjim on Mar 27, 2012 7:40:44 GMT -5
I've had a Mc95-250 Spider for one season. when I first got it it was verry squirelly. I saw that the tirod bolt (Castle nut) was taken up to its max and the carter pin was not even close to the slot in the Castle nut I had to buy washers and pad the bolt so that the nut could provide the contact that was needed for proper contact of the joint and also positioned the Castel nut to join with the carter pin porperly. I had to do this washer thing to the Ball Joints as well, the washers worked well for this and it quieted the front end down some. Then not having a clue as to how to align the Front end I did some reading. I was not able to get a stick across at the points that I needed to to make the needed adjustments so I towed both wheels out away from the center of the trike. (My garage floor is finished with a cement sealer which makes it very smooth like glass almost.) Then I put some red tape on the tirods. than pushing the trike across the floor the tires tried to tear the Bike in half, the tires would break away from the Cement floor and you could here a slight squeeking (like sneakers on a Jim floor.) I would turn the Tirod in 1/4 turn using the red tape to keep track of my movements this was done until the sneaker squeeks just disapeared. than repeated the process on the other side. than took it for a test drive and it was amazingly different to handle. I was able to ride it at mutch higher speed than before but I was not quite there yet. I played with the Camber and justput the top out just a tad and I mean almost impossable to see with the negad eye. I do this by first turning the Ball joints in or out uintil I get the wheel perfectly straight up and down using a level up against the front wheel, then making just a slight adjustment. The minimum would be one full turn on the balljoint. you want to turn it so that it kicks out the top of the tire. on both wheels. Now go back to the tirods and pull the front wheels in a tad at a time (like 1/8 of a turn) at a time looking down at the front wheels as I stand in front of the Tike and working with the red tape on the bar of the tirods to keep track of my turns. take it out and try it on a quiet street and check for improvements you do this and you should get very close to right. I'm dooing 55 and some times 60 with good control but dont go that fast on real patchey roads or cornering use good judgement. I stretched the hell out of my chain and threw it off. I've since got a new Chain and put it on and am waiting for my Chain Tensioner before hitting the road again. I know this sounds like Alice in wonderland but it worked for me. Make sure you take the trike out for test rides between adjustmentd often. Thanks for reading turbo51henry Good job and nice write up on how you did it. Honestly, back before there were these fancy laser alignment machines, that is how font ends of cars were aligned. A tape measure and a level was all that was needed. Jim/Owner Rapid Repair |
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