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Post by Scoot Tech on Nov 19, 2011 10:29:11 GMT -5
So I got pulled over yesterday. I thought i was going 40. I was keeping up with traffic though. The Officer asked me if it was 50cc even though I had my bmv sticker saying it was. I was honest and said I put an 83cc bbk in to keep up with traffic. He agreed that 25mph was too slow a speed to restrict scooters to, complimented me on my choice of helmet, and that i wore one, and sent me on my way. Not even a warning! Unless "ride safe" is a warning!
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Post by Pony66 on Nov 19, 2011 11:02:24 GMT -5
Thats a great story. A hemet can make a difference in many situations. It even gets you respect from the police  I would sort of be happy with a ticket proving that your scooter almost does 50mph. |
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Post by larry001964 on Nov 19, 2011 11:11:59 GMT -5
That is a great story, LOL on wanting the ticket Pony....
Now day's with so many distractions that cage drivers deal with, I tend to think a helmet is just common sense.. Many years ago a cage driver only had a radio or tape player. Now day much more. Wearing a helmet is never a bad idea....
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Post by tortoise on Nov 19, 2011 11:55:53 GMT -5
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Post by yoshidawg on Nov 19, 2011 12:05:21 GMT -5
The states see this boom in scooters and see revenue there. NV want's me to have a plate, I don't the cops leave me alone because I ride smart and always wear a full face helmet. If I ever do get stopped I hope it turns out the same as Scoot-Teck's.
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Post by larry001964 on Nov 19, 2011 12:05:41 GMT -5
I think it's probably inevitable, states hurting for money are all looking for more ways to get it... I'm not against laws that require insurance, or even special tags.. But I tend to think it's more a money thing than public safety.. |
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Post by Scoot Tech on Nov 19, 2011 12:16:35 GMT -5
We are required to have a sticker, not a plate, stuck on the front of our scoots. It really does come down to money they say it will help curb theft but i cant see that. 25mph is dangerously slow for a speed limitation. If more people dont get hurt i will be shocked
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Post by larry001964 on Nov 19, 2011 12:23:52 GMT -5
We are required to have a sticker, not a plate, stuck on the front of our scoots. It really does come down to money they say it will help curb theft but i cant see that. 25mph is dangerously slow for a speed limitation. If more people dont get hurt i will be shocked My Daughter in New Haven IN, was telling me that scooter riders are now required to go to the police and register their scooters. They too are given a sticker with a number.. Cost is something like 25 dollars.. The reason they gave is that people are committing thefts on scooters with no way to identify the people involved as theirs no tag on the scooter.. |
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Post by tortoise on Nov 19, 2011 12:30:31 GMT -5
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Post by Scoot Tech on Nov 19, 2011 13:31:22 GMT -5
Im trying to come up with enough people to atleast petition the speed limit. If you cant keep up with traffic, you get passed. Before my bbk, I was ran off the road doing the speed limit. People get dangerously close when passing.
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Post by Scooter Elements on Nov 19, 2011 13:40:16 GMT -5
We here in Puerto Rico are required to register the scooter, get a plate for it. pay the annual registration/insurance which is $175.00 plus $20.00 to for inspection. and must have a scooter endorcement on your license. We here in Puerto Rico have the strictest laws for scooters/motorcycles in the entire world.
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Post by tortoise on Nov 19, 2011 15:05:55 GMT -5
Im trying to come up with enough people to at least petition the speed limit. Perhaps a reflection of "entitlement mentality". How about purchasing a scooter with an engine displacement suitable for your performance criteria . . and complying with the law instead of "gaming the system"? The scooter rider in this thread apparently felt entitled to an aggressive line to enhance negotiating an intersection turn at 40 mph.  "Here's a shot of the intersection. The red is my line, the squigly parts are where it was spinning and sliding down the road. The dotted red is me hauling the scooter to the side of the road. The green dots simulate what traffic was like at that hour (lunch rush hour). The median I hit is just a regular curb median. No wall. I got very lucky considering it didn't go over and strike a vehicle and injure someone.
I know my line looks a little aggressive there, but I've taken that turn plenty of times before with that line, just never that hard. Cockiness plus residual sand from snow season = bad things. No matter what my line and speed, I still blame the sand." |
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Post by Scoot Tech on Nov 19, 2011 17:09:50 GMT -5
If that is directed toward me, Im not "gaming the system". Im trying to keep up with traffic and not get ran off the road again. I have every right to the road as a car but the driver of that car may not see it that way, even though I have to register my machine too. So my solution was to be able to keep up and get away if i had to
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Post by inuyasha on Nov 19, 2011 18:41:20 GMT -5
Hi Imho he brought it on himself His direct quote i was taken to jail for being a habitual traffic violator and riding a scooter to fast These are the people that make it harder for the law abiding scooter rider and why laws get changed making it harder for us to ride he gets no sympathy from me Take care and drive safely Yours Hank |
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Post by rusiwhite on Nov 20, 2011 1:52:43 GMT -5
Here in Manila Philippines, every scooter and motorcycles are now asked to register their little machine with the Land Transportation Office and get the corresponding stickers. This is to avoid stolen stuff and to be used with criminal purposes like holdup, ambush etc.
And the Metro Manila Development Authority are in the process of building a motorcycle/ scooter lane in every national road. This is to avoid further accidents and also to give respect and privilege to motorcycle/ scooter drivers. And again to avoid any criminal offenses when someone drive or use motorcycle/scooter for being caught driving in a zigzag route.
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Post by tortoise on Nov 20, 2011 12:51:07 GMT -5
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Post by larry001964 on Nov 20, 2011 13:16:13 GMT -5
Ok but If I'm just passing thru and hadn't seen your post how em i to know of this ordnance ? Let me put it another way, I travel thru 4 different towns in addition to my own going to work, if all had a separate ordinances i would have to register in all of them separately... How is one to know ? |
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Post by Scoot Tech on Nov 21, 2011 9:26:47 GMT -5
tortoise, I have read articles in the local papers and the pamphlet I was given when i registered my machine. I am aware of the "limitations". I have a car, I choose to drive a scooter by choice. I also choose to drive it safely, with a helmet and just enough power to get me out of harms way. If 4 wheeled drivers were more respectful of those on 2 wheels, It would be safer, thus I would have no need for a bbk.
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Post by warriorboxerdog on Nov 21, 2011 10:23:59 GMT -5
I agree scooters should be a loud to travel the posted speed limit. In md the law states that you are to ride on the shoulder and let traffic pass. The only time your allowed to ride in the lane of traffic is one a one way street or if the road is not wide enough for your scooter and another car to pass you safely. There are a lot of streets that don't have shoulders and are not wide enough for a scooter and a car.. I would gladly register my scooter in exchange to lift the speed restriction and just have a under 50cc and 5 hp restriction. Just as long as the registration fees isn't crazy high like over 30.00 for a year or 2. I would also consider insurance long as its not that much like 100.00 a yr
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Post by Pony66 on Nov 21, 2011 10:26:12 GMT -5
Im trying to come up with enough people to at least petition the speed limit. Perhaps a reflection of "entitlement mentality". How about purchasing a scooter with an engine displacement suitable for your performance criteria . . and complying with the law instead of "gaming the system"? We just changed the 50cc speed limit to 40 in Colorado. IMHO, the OP sounds like he is trying to change things legally. If I felt a law needed correcting, starting a petition may be the first productive thing to do. So I see a nice pic and a story of a rider negotiating a turn to quickly. Thats gonna happen. If he was in CO. he was not breaking the speed limit. However, its a "careless driving" ticket if you go too fast for road conditions. The Insurance Lobby are the ones making States change insurance laws. Sure its about money but not for the State, except the legislators that got the trip to Hawaii. |
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Post by inuyasha on Nov 21, 2011 10:53:01 GMT -5
Hi
IN CT were allowed to travel the posted speed and have up to a 5 HP engine they dont decide by the displacement size of the engine
Heres the regulation
Motor Driven Cycles: If you have a motor scooter, moped or motorbike having a motor that produces 5 brake horsepower or less (or 3.7 kW or less) and a seat height of at least 26 inches, you may operate it on the roadway without registering it. However, you must have a valid motor vehicle operator’s license to operate it, and you may not operate it on any sidewalk, limited access highway or turnpike. If the maximum speed of your cycle is less than the speed limit of the road that you are on, you must operate in the right hand lane available for traffic or upon a usable shoulder on the right side of the road unless you are making a left turn. As of October 1, 2008, these vehicles are referred to as “motor driven cycles.”
Take care and drive safely
Yours Hank
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Post by larry001964 on Nov 21, 2011 11:36:51 GMT -5
When it comes to legality's theirs almost always a compromise... If you circulate a petition to raise the speed limit on scooters, be prepared to take some sort of safety course, have insurance, have the scooter inspected, or somthing we haven't even thought of yet...
I would like to see the speed limit raised, and would gladly sign a petition for that... I'm just pointing out, with the higher speed limit the state will want something more...
On the other the state will be making laws weather we have input or not,,, coming from non scooter riders that have no understanding of how the laws passed will really work in the real world...
So I believe it's in our best interest to be involved in this process...
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Post by Scoot Tech on Nov 21, 2011 11:54:45 GMT -5
Pony66, Trip to Hawaii? Thats hillarious and probably true lol. My goal is to get enough people and try to get the speed limit for scooters raised. I Think everyone on a scoot should wear a helmet because the 4 wheeled dangers, speed limit or not.
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Post by gtbike on Nov 21, 2011 14:11:25 GMT -5
Wow and I thought CA was goofy on regs. But now it makes sense why they do it this way.
2 wheels and a motor, gas or electric = helmet required
Stand up or Pedal driven = no registration, insurance or special license required
All other non pedal motor driven motorbikes = M1 license, registration (full plates) and insurance required.
Any freeway driving requires 150cc + not 149cc which is why I think the China 150cc is registered as 149cc.
I also love the legal lane sharing laws here as well. I can legally run up between cars at the stop lights and be first off the line and frequently break the pack light to light and not have to speed to start making the light cycle of greens. Just watch out for the Taxi drivers they have a collective animosity for lane sharing laws, prepare for a drag race if they are at the front of the light :-)
Everyone who rides a 50cc should be emailing their state reps about the safety and revenue opportunities available if they would allow scooters to be registered as a motorbike and travel at the posted speeds w/o penalties.
Traveling at the speed of the road and/or traffic pattern is always safest.
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I would sort of be happy with a ticket proving that your scooter almost does 50mph.
