|
|
Post by aussiedoglover on Aug 6, 2011 10:15:32 GMT -5
About 3 weeks ago I received my MC-54-250 scooter from Extreme-scooters dot com. The scooter was really beat up during shipment. While this is not the dealers fault I do expect help getting the replacement parts. I sent in the pictures of the harmed body panels as instructed by the dealer and so far nothing has happened. I have contacted the dealer numerous times to ask when the body panels will be shipped. There is never an answer. I was instructed by the dealer that the body panels would be sent and that the dealer would file the claim with YRC, the company that delivered the scooter.
Every body panel has some sort of damage.
Also the Remote Starter does not work. I asked for a warranty replacement and the dealer said "don't use it, only use the push starter". If I paid extra for a part I expect it to work.
So to make a long story short.....Do not but from Extreme-scooters dot com from Warner Robins, GA.
To be fair the dealer sent me an email that looks like they ordered the parts. I do not know if this is real or not since I can not get a reply from Extreme-scooters about delivery.
|
|
|
|
Post by mmm1966 on Aug 6, 2011 12:02:53 GMT -5
I had the same problem a while back buying a four wheeler on the net. i got jacked around a lot. i did the bbb thing and also filed a claim with the state attorney generals office and come to find out they had a lot of claims against them already and the attorney generals office called me at home to file some-kind of additional claims against them. after 2 months i finally got my money back and shipping charges. they never contacted me either till i got the big dogs on them......
|
|
|
|
Post by ike on Aug 6, 2011 12:33:45 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that.. I bought my scooter from them, no problem. I love it .... Attachments:
|
|
|
|
Post by rvoress on Aug 22, 2011 13:05:31 GMT -5
I also have a MC54-250. I'm in need of a meter assy (speedometer, tripmeter, etc). The tripmeter is not working. So far after several weeks, all I've gotten is lip service. They tell me they will help but, nothing ever happens. Now I can add a Left front shock absorber to the list as the one I have has blown a seal. I would like to hear more from the fellow above (mmm1966) about how to go about filing a claim. At this point I would say-----DO NOT BUY FROM EXTREME-SCOOTERS.COM !!!!!
|
|
|
|
Post by aussiedoglover on Aug 22, 2011 18:16:06 GMT -5
Hello Everyone
This is an update.......
Got home yesterday from a week of vacation and the replacement body panels had arrived. The dealer must have filed a claim with YRC as discussed because all the body panels here.
The only problem now is the warranty replacement part for the remote starter. I still do not have that part.
If I ever get it I will update this discussion.
|
|
|
|
Post by aussiedoglover on Aug 25, 2011 15:06:09 GMT -5
It only gets worse.
Today I get home from work and I have a letter from the State of Pennsylvania that the "Certificate of Origin For A Vehicle" is no good. Now I need to work through the hassle of all this.
The scooter can not be used. The MC-54-250 makes a big paper wieght.
Lets hope the dealer helps me out. I'll keep you all posted.
|
|
|
|
Post by imnts2 on Aug 25, 2011 15:41:36 GMT -5
Interesting. Keep us posted.
|
|
|
|
Post by revweasel on Aug 25, 2011 18:25:01 GMT -5
some states will not register a vehicle unless then manufacture is on a list of approved builders. not sure if pa is one of these states. i know NJ is.
here is a question though... what circumstance would a remote start be usefull for a motorcycle? I never understood this. on the other side of that, i do believe that all remote starters on ALL vehicles should be banned. a vehicle should have a licensed operator at the controls WHENEVER it is running.
|
|
|
|
Post by doug250 on Aug 25, 2011 18:31:36 GMT -5
Remote starters should be banned? That is ridiculous!
|
|
|
|
Post by rapidjim on Aug 26, 2011 8:03:36 GMT -5
I have dealt with the PA DMV twice now and yes they are just like NJ. The machine needs to be on their list and also there has to be a bill of sale along with the MCO being notarized. The first dealing the customer had to send the MCO back for the notary stamp so I learned the hard way. First time I ever had to notarize an MCO.
As far as the remote start is concerned, I could never understand why some bikes had them. We have sold a few machines with them and I tell the customer the same thing, I would not use it. It is part of the alarm system on the ones I have sold. They did work but, none of the machines had a side stand interupt on them. So, it would start on the side stand. Now here is where a problem comes in, if the machine is on the side stand and a problem arises where the machine kicks up a a high idle when remote started, the cvt kicks in and then the machine rolls forward and falls off the side stand. Not a good picture.
Jim/Owner
Rapid Repair
|
|
|
|
Post by revweasel on Aug 26, 2011 8:31:47 GMT -5
Remote starters should be banned? That is ridiculous! support your argument. here mine, remote starters cause injury and death. Heres one: Owner said her car started and drove off, unattended and crashed into her neighbor's home killing the neighbor. Police concluded that the culprit was the owner's remote starter, which had been installed by the previous owner. www.google.com/#hl=en&q=remote+starter+accidents&oq=remote+starter+accidents&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=5172l6886l0l7016l9l9l0l5l5l0l378l1053l0.1.2.1l4l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.&fp=c751b7f29e949035&biw=1440&bih=673 not to mention unnedded pollution for convenience. vehicles warm faster when rolling. idling is a lame way to warm an engine. what need to make sure the cabin is warm in your car so you dont need a coat. then when the car dies in the middle of nowhere and you didnt wear a coat case the car was warm. you freeze to death. a child enters or climbs on your vehicle. knocks it in gear, twist throttle... whatever, someone is injured. i can go on all day why it is bad. but seriously i cannot think of a single GOOD reason to EVER use a remote starter. tell me why im wrong. not just say WRONG! and not support your argument. |
|
|
|
Post by Pony66 on Aug 26, 2011 8:55:43 GMT -5
What does a remote starter do beside waste gas and burn up a battery?
|
|
|
|
Post by revweasel on Aug 26, 2011 9:12:43 GMT -5
What does a remote starter do beside waste gas and burn up a battery? kill people. get a block heater |
|
|
|
Post by panjet on Aug 26, 2011 9:50:15 GMT -5
Block heaters are harder and harder to find nowadays. I couldn't even get one as an option on my last car.
Beyond that, I'll chime in on this. Remote starters, if properly installed, are not as dangerous as you make them sound. Maybe on scooters they are, or the cheap ones from Wal Mart, but a good factory installed or professionally installed remote starter has many safety features. In my car, I cannot even put the vehicle in gear without stepping on the brake, and if you step on the brake without putting in the key and turning it on, it will kill the engine if you started it with remote start. Also, most newer remote start systems require that you engage the door locks before it will allow you to remote start the vehicle. For manual transmissions, there are safety switches as well which will not allow it to start if it is in gear or will kill if if you try to put it in gear while running. I tried to Google deaths or injurys from remote start cars, and there was almost nothing. More children die on their bikes every year.
As to the waste in fuel, you may be right, but that's your opinion. So what if someone wants to pay a little extra to have their vehicle warmer when they get into it? I see you live in Missouri. Where I live in Northern Minnesota, when it's 30 or 40 below out, any little extra warmth helps. Do I use my remote start? Hardly ever, because I don't want to waste fuel, but why should they be banned? It's the users choice whether or not they waste fuel, not yours.
Finally, you are correct that engines warm up faster while running faster, however, this is a terrible way to warm up an engine. It wears them down horribly to start them at extremely cold temperatures and drive off without at least a little warm-up. The oil is thick and doesn't circulate as well, and warming up the engine quickly causes the different parts to expand at different rates causing much more wear than a slow warm-up. When I start my car in the winter, I try to let it idle at least 30 seconds to a minute before even thinking about driving off, and that's actually a short period of time for a very cold engine. When I had a block heater on my previous car, I used it, but block heaters also use tons of electricity, so they're no fix for resource wasting.
|
|
|
|
Post by revweasel on Aug 26, 2011 10:14:50 GMT -5
When I had a block heater on my previous car, I used it, but block heaters also use tons of electricity, so they're no fix for resource wasting. circulating coolant heater on a timer. that way you warm it just before needed, lets say one or two hours depending on conditions. and you have heat for defrost and such instantly, google remote starter accident. when its sub zero, my van takes 15minutes to warm while driving. i can idle for an hour and gain almost no coolant heat, which is worse driving an engine and warming it or running a cold at idle indefinitly? i think that is debatable. i am talking about a cast iron 4.3L chevy though. most passenger vehicles are different than this as far as the warmup goes. i have admonished the cable guy for leaving his pickup running on my property unattended before. i guess 30 seconds is to long to wait for a/c when you dont buy the fuel. told him to shut it off or i will have it towed. i have kids, vehicles better not ever be left running unattended on the land that i make rules on. i keep my bike indoors at home and in the winter i will park inside at work also. |
|
|
|
Post by panjet on Aug 29, 2011 8:56:49 GMT -5
Like I said before, I found hardly any cases of accidents. One or two is not enough to cause an epidemic. I guess you're a proponent of all the laws that are written because of one or two accidents. Every lawn tractor made in the last ten years or so has an RIO (reverse implement option) switch on them disabling your ability to back up with the mower running because one person backed over a kid and sued the company that made the tractor creating a high profile case. I'm sorry for his loss, but plain and simple it was his fault, not the tractor's. Adding a button that needs to be pressed in order to back up will not solve the problem. I guess we should ban lawn mowers.
Again, this is the same deal. Sure, bad things happen, but like I said earlier your kid is more likely to get hit by a car on your street or fall off their bike with fatal results than they do being injured by a vehicle as a result of remote start. There are so many safety measures in place that the chance is ridiculously low that anything will happen.
As to your van, unless your temp gauge goes all the way to zero, of course it doesn't move for a while. My vehicle it doesn't even registure anything until the temp is 100 degrees farenheight. If I'm starting my vehicle at 20-30 below zero (which i do a lot around here), the engine could have warmed up 130 degrees before I'll even see the gauge budge. Yes, long idle is bad for a vehicle. You're right. However, I'm not talking about idling it to full-temp. I'm saying idle it for just a couple minutes to get the oil flowing and the engine out of the severe cold zone. Shoot, even if you only get it up to 50 degrees farenheight, you've reached a point where it's on par with a cool morning in the summer instead of a dead cold winter temp.
Long story short, you have not proved any case for an all out ban on remote starters. Going by your logic of they, "kill people," we should ban knives, cars, bikes, ladders, any surface higher than two feet off the ground, household cleaning chemicals, shoes that can slip on ice, ice itself, motorcycles, airplanes.....
|
|
|
|
Post by jdikov on Aug 30, 2011 16:15:38 GMT -5
PA is really bad with Vin #. There only certain factories that have jumped through all the hoops to meet approval with PA. I know the Znen scooters are never a problem there or in NJ and pretty sure CF Motos havenot had a problem. Many of the other ones cannot be registered in PA.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cookees on Aug 30, 2011 19:30:55 GMT -5
It only gets worse. Today I get home from work and I have a letter from the State of Pennsylvania that the "Certificate of Origin For A Vehicle" is no good. Now I need to work through the hassle of all this. The scooter can not be used. The MC-54-250 makes a big paper wieght. Lets hope the dealer helps me out. I'll keep you all posted. It could be worse. At least they only rejected the MCO. That's a relatively easy fix... or at least a lot easier than if the Vin paperwork isn't on file with the Feds. |
|
|
|
Post by rapidjim on Aug 31, 2011 8:06:04 GMT -5
Ice Bear ( Huzhou Daixi Zhenhua Technology Trade Co., LTD) is also on both on the list in PA and NJ. I can not speak for the reverse trike that IB offers because it is not made by them maybe, someone who lives there can tell us about that.
Now on the remote start issue. My opinion, they have no place on a scooter/motorcycle without safety items in place. Like, a side stand int erupt or a center stand safety switch. For the life of me I can not understand why someone would want one on a scooter in the first place, except for a toy, "look what my scooter can do".
Automobiles and trucks are a different discussion. We have been selling and installing remote starters since 1995. Since we have very cold and snowing winters, remote starters have several advantages. I can't think of anyone that likes getting in an ice cold car or scraping windows. It is also not good on a vehicle to start it in sub zero weather and start moving right away, the oils must have time to circulate and warm up some. Also, some remote starters have a feature that starts the cars when the battery drops below a preset value to recharge the battery. The remote start is programmed to allow the vehicle to run for a installers preset time and then shut off automatically. If the remote start does not start the vehicle within 3 attempts it stops trying. The type we sell and install also include door and trunk lock/unlock features, which in itself is a good thing to have.
Now, MOST remote starters will not start the car unless several conditions are met. The doors must be shut, the vehicle must be in park (auto transmission)(installer option of parking brake depressed). If the vehicle is a standard shift, the vehicle must be in neutral and the parking brake set.
I too have have looked for incidents of remote starters causing accidents, not much there I could find. Now I do personally know of one accident that was caused by a remote start. A guy installed his own remote start in a car with a standard transmission, remote started it one day and the car ran into the garage. He had bypassed the neutral safety and parking brake safeguards. Kinda like bypassing a circuit breaker or fuse in your house and wondering why your house burnt down.
Jim
|
|
|
|
Post by revweasel on Aug 31, 2011 8:47:51 GMT -5
Like I said before, I found hardly any cases of accidents. One or two is not enough to cause an epidemic. I guess you're a proponent of all the laws that are written because of one or two accidents. Every lawn tractor made in the last ten years or so has an RIO (reverse implement option) switch on them disabling your ability to back up with the mower running because one person backed over a kid and sued the company that made the tractor creating a high profile case. I'm sorry for his loss, but plain and simple it was his fault, not the tractor's. Adding a button that needs to be pressed in order to back up will not solve the problem. I guess we should ban lawn mowers. Again, this is the same deal. Sure, bad things happen, but like I said earlier your kid is more likely to get hit by a car on your street or fall off their bike with fatal results than they do being injured by a vehicle as a result of remote start. There are so many safety measures in place that the chance is ridiculously low that anything will happen. As to your van, unless your temp gauge goes all the way to zero, of course it doesn't move for a while. My vehicle it doesn't even registure anything until the temp is 100 degrees farenheight. If I'm starting my vehicle at 20-30 below zero (which i do a lot around here), the engine could have warmed up 130 degrees before I'll even see the gauge budge. Yes, long idle is bad for a vehicle. You're right. However, I'm not talking about idling it to full-temp. I'm saying idle it for just a couple minutes to get the oil flowing and the engine out of the severe cold zone. Shoot, even if you only get it up to 50 degrees farenheight, you've reached a point where it's on par with a cool morning in the summer instead of a dead cold winter temp. Long story short, you have not proved any case for an all out ban on remote starters. Going by your logic of they, "kill people," we should ban knives, cars, bikes, ladders, any surface higher than two feet off the ground, household cleaning chemicals, shoes that can slip on ice, ice itself, motorcycles, airplanes..... plain and simple, a vehicle should have an operator to operate. |
|
|
|
Post by Pony66 on Aug 31, 2011 9:01:27 GMT -5
+1 Rapidjim, The remote start is simply a sales gimmick. It is ILLEGAL in Colorado to have your car running and no driver. Its the only ticket my Mother has ever received.
However, studies have shown that letting a car idle on a cold start does More Damage than immediate driving. The cam and valves have the Most pressure at idle and wears quickly on the cam and lifters. You do much more damage to a cold engine letting it idle than to drive it.
Not to mention "warming up" your car simply puts your money in the pocket of a terrorist supporting country.
|
|
|
|
Post by nulujimmy on Aug 31, 2011 11:50:43 GMT -5
Seems like every remote start equipped Vento that I have worked on, the electric starter was burnt out. The remote will kick the solenoid, but the starter won't turn.
I suspect that something happens - like the owner sits on the remote and it cranks and cranks, maybe with the kill switch off or something, and burns up the starter.
I see it far too often for it to be coincidence. Seems like the only time I see Minarellis with broken electric starters is those with remote starters.
|
|
|
|
Post by aussiedoglover on Oct 5, 2011 18:17:36 GMT -5
Hello Everyone
Thought I would give you all an update.
The dealer sent a second title. I'm still waiting to hear from the state of PA.
I have had to do a lot of work on the scooter. The carb was not installed right and the air cleaner was not connected. Both of these problems are solved.
Now I have a very bad vibration with a load growl. It feels like my feet are going to vibrate off my legs. If the scooter is placed on the dual kick stand so that the back wheel is off the ground evey thing sounds great. No problem. If I take the scooter for a test drive then I get the vibration at 3000 rpm and higher. I would guess wheel bearing except for the fact there is no noise with the wheel off the ground and I would expect noise at any speed.
Front wheel seems ok. Will try to do more testing. Will keep all of you updated when I find the problem.
If anyone knows of a good scooter repair person around New Castle PA please let me know.
If you know what the problem might be please advise.
|
|
|
|
Post by mainepeace on Oct 5, 2011 18:34:21 GMT -5
It could be clutch chatter, or the belt slipping, or a variator roller sticking. Does it increase with RPM or speed (both are independent of each other). If you coast down a hill does it occur then?
Greg
|
|
|
|
Post by freedomscoot on Oct 5, 2011 22:11:14 GMT -5
Engine mounts loose?
|
|
|
|
Post by chaz12 on Oct 5, 2011 22:25:54 GMT -5
I ordered my Bali 250 scoot from extreme-scooters.. Mine came in perfect condition. I bought mine in 2008.. I would not blame the dealer as much as the shipping department. Mine came and was suppose to have lift gate service, but didn't. So my 3 sons, wife and me lifted it off the truck. My scooter runs perfect still with 5000 miles on it. Stuff can always go wrong with a order and whom is to say the Chinese did not do it and ship it out anyhow.. Attachments:
|
|
|
|
Post by aussiedoglover on Oct 6, 2011 7:27:36 GMT -5
The vibration does seem to increase with speed. The vibration and growling noise starts at over 3000rpm and does not seem to increase with engine speed. It just "comes on" once over 3000rpm.
What is weird is that if the rear wheel is off the ground then it does not happen. While riding it feels like it is coming from the back. I will do some more testing this evening after work.
Right now I'm riding my bicycle to work. Let's hope the motor for the bicycle does not stop. HAHA
|
|
|
|
Post by aussiedoglover on Oct 15, 2011 9:10:31 GMT -5
One more update
PA finally accepted the MCO. I have the license stciker and registration. The tital is still in the mail.
I could not solve the vibration problem. The scooter is at a motorcycle shop now. Hopefully they can fix it. When I get it back I'll post an update to keep everyone informed. I believe this should haave been under warranty but the dealer is not interested.
|
|
