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Post by mike6736 on May 31, 2011 21:57:29 GMT -5
Axle gear box removal....Has anyone replaced one yet?
The removal
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Post by mike6736 on May 31, 2011 22:08:36 GMT -5
Problem is pulled axles/u-joints and pulled athe inner hub bolts holding gear box in place and it will not budge...
New gear box bearings project i/8 in on sproket side and about 1/16in on left side. Looks like it was assembled than hub section wielded in...Ouch...No give as is attached to frame.
Any assistance.......
Thanks Mike
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Post by parsonsj11 on May 31, 2011 22:40:00 GMT -5
mike looking at pics it looks like there are 6 bolts on each side that hold it with gasket material may have to break gasket loose if u removed the 6 bolts each L&R Be interested in full notes as i have to do it too when i get it in i also have to replace axle on left side.. also slide forward to remove chain i think... her is link to parts page at IB www.icebearatv.com/parts_details_table.php?proid=199&lb=238 |
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Post by mike6736 on May 31, 2011 22:44:15 GMT -5
OK...GOT IT......forget the above..All I have to do is remove one side, will be the left section suspension section plate and all and I can change out. Just took a break and a coffee and I got it....Really not a big deal just have to align it all on completion.
fYI I could now change out a axle gear box in 4 hours or less.
Mike
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Post by parsonsj11 on May 31, 2011 22:48:21 GMT -5
why have to remove plate? looks like it should drop down with everything detached..
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Post by edfr on May 31, 2011 22:51:53 GMT -5
FOUR HOURS!!! Damn your slow. ;D
Lefty
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Post by parsonsj11 on May 31, 2011 22:56:21 GMT -5
ya and the crappy thing is they changed the transmission into the motor on the 2011 not in rear box anymore......
Guess they having more problems than they let on with the old way.
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Post by edfr on May 31, 2011 23:12:48 GMT -5
Parsonsj11,
Do you have a picture of it now for 2011? If so put up pictures of the Rear Axle.
Lefty
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Post by parsonsj11 on May 31, 2011 23:39:48 GMT -5
nope just using whats on IB site.
But if u look at the side pic they have outboarded the shifter and u can see where the motor is different right there, they also say its in engine now (Forward-Reverse-Neutral...) wishing i had gotten one of the new ones.. have mine since feb still not inspected or on road... SUX
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Post by edfr on Jun 1, 2011 0:05:52 GMT -5
AH Yes, I can see the cable running under the motor from the Shifter on the side, and yes neutral forward and reverse. So they upgraded that DAMN REVERSE again which always seems to cause troubles.
Lefty
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Post by parsonsj11 on Jun 1, 2011 0:11:19 GMT -5
thats a shifter rod not cable. 2 screws on the front side of trunk instead of one and added 2 screws at very back. also backup pull starter. looks like lots of changes fixing ongoing problems that i have read about..
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Post by mike6736 on Jun 1, 2011 0:26:41 GMT -5
parsonsj11
Didn't you get yours at FMS? I think he said 2 had come in when mine did.
Mike
It looks like it will drop when the inner hub bolts are pulled but will not. U=joint bearings project from houseng just a tad and a seal. Really is not that hard, no special tools...If you have to loosen your chain to remove it it is too tightt....
Mike
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Post by mike6736 on Jun 1, 2011 0:35:18 GMT -5
Also..I feel it was the shifter that caused the axlle gear box to fail....After I tied/locked the shifter in forward there was no more jumping/bucking. I was able to ride 1600 miles after that with a noise rear end. It is so easy you need no reverse. The spring load on gear box is too week and caused jumping skipping and bucking. Even this new install has a rod lock in forward to frame = No Reverse
Mike
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Post by edfr on Jun 1, 2011 0:37:21 GMT -5
Well have to tell you the Pull Starter is not any better as a matter of fact I think it is worse than the Kickstarter. Reason being it turns the CUP inside Counter Clockwise which is the same direction to UNSCREW the Variator Nut to take it off. Give that Sucker One Good pull and you just loosened the Variator Nut and now your Variator is Loose.
Lefty
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Post by mike6736 on Jun 1, 2011 0:40:16 GMT -5
Silly Rabbit
Tricks are for kids
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Post by parsonsj11 on Jun 1, 2011 0:49:30 GMT -5
ya lance at fms said he got it ordered just waiting fer it to get here.. mine just kinda slips on acceleration in forward dont do anything like it in reverse. also the inner rubber on the axle turned 1/2 way around nothing for it to hit on so dont know whats up with that. lots of grease escaping where it apparently cut through. thats why they sent new axle. chain was extremely tight when i got it. hope it didn't screw up anything else.. nice weather and all i can do is sit and say aint that swell.... LOL
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Post by edfr on Jun 1, 2011 1:54:13 GMT -5
Here is what the Pull start looks like inside the CVT. Parsonsj11, if it slips in Forward adjust the cable so that it allows the LEVER on the Differential to move back a little more. You are real close so another 1/8-1/4 of slack on the cable and it will not slip in forward. Lefty  |
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Post by parsonsj11 on Jun 1, 2011 2:37:30 GMT -5
ya 1st thing i checked lever all the way back with little slack in cable as IB recommends lever wont go any further back goes into reverse and forward no problem.
had a local guy that does most kinds of motorized toys look at it he said probably transmission thinking too tight chain caused something on left side to go and that allows axle to get twisted like it does. i'll know when rearend gets here.. probably have to change belt havent opened it up yet to see. but when it first started to do it i would get a puff of smoke from that area like it would jam and then the belt or clutch would smoke..
also it only does it under load -- any speed tell it most uphill.
like i said will see when i take it apart and start replacing. might even of been the axle locking up and caused it all?? dont know cant see inside anything back there .. without cutting things apart just guessing.
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Post by mike6736 on Jun 1, 2011 12:30:35 GMT -5
All you do is pull the 2 bolts on hub, set it on fender bracket break line and all. Than just pull axle and u=joint out....look at it nothing to it. You may just have a bad cover on it, easy fix.
My Magnum did the same as yours but...never locked up like you said. Once I locked out the sh!ter to the frame in forward it never skipped or jumped again...2,000 miles ago. It is very noise but still working
Mike
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Post by parsonsj11 on Jun 2, 2011 19:37:09 GMT -5
ok mike got my new rearend box today. you take any notes and stuff when u replaced urs? How is new one working for you? got impact wrench yesterday so i guess i ready to start tearing apart...    ;D |
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Post by mike6736 on Jun 2, 2011 21:20:57 GMT -5
Ok giong to talk you thru it.
Remove both wheels...pull back deck...pull RIGHT wheel hub 2 bplts and wire tie and set on muffler you only cut one tie on shock that holds break line-do not take apart....now just pull right alxe/u-joint assembly out....on lift hub pull both bolts pull it off and hold it in one hand and pull the axle assembly out and put hub back in place with top bolt...
Now you need to remove the 8 bolts on the Left side not sproket side ...now remove the 4 big loock bolts on the Right side section only (this willl save you much time and work) be sure not to turn your adjustment screws at all...gear box will drop to the 2 steel bars, just pull the gear box and right frame section out the back....
Make sure when you take deck off to remove your chain
ok now on the floor remove left side bolts on axle hub.....clean axle hub on trike and the righ one....I used foam silicone gasket than bolt new box to the removed right section and install same as removed....
When you line it up to bolt to the left gear hub set top bolt loose than botton.
Really is not that hard
Let me know....Mile
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Post by edfr on Jun 2, 2011 21:42:10 GMT -5
Clear as mud @#%*@&#@# penguin, pictures we want pictures YEEEEEHAAAA.
Lefty
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Post by mike6736 on Jun 3, 2011 1:00:38 GMT -5
Update
Silver Bullet is off blocks the switch was not that bad, well took me much longer cause I can not do much as am disadled. Well put 10 oz of gear oil in it than double check everything and test drive. May have to align but lets see how she rides and handles first.
I use a flat 1/2in al bar to line the sprokets, was a minor adjustment made wile adjusting chain 1/2 in bottom push up slack.
Shifter cable tied not connected. Shift lever in gear box is locked in forward to fram with al rod.
Mike
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Post by mike6736 on Jun 3, 2011 18:23:18 GMT -5
parsonsj11
I was caught up in a senior moment for hours.....Remember when you get the old unit out to check the sproket for spacers. If you have them on the old unit put them on the new sproket (lock tight).
Mike
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Post by parsonsj11 on Jun 3, 2011 19:18:10 GMT -5
ok got er done. lol
I am disabled too with cardiac and it was a royal pain..
got it put together enough to take for a spin and no more bucking bronco..
still not sure if it rear end or that left axle changed both at once..
now to noise dampen the plastics as i put it back together and lots of rubber washers. lol i quieted it down a lot just tighteding stuff i could get to with back and front plastics off. get that done and get it inspected i get to ride
YAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by mike6736 on Jun 3, 2011 22:10:31 GMT -5
All right parsonsj11
Hope directions helped....I told righty about 4 hrs. See I can't get around well and right now not walking. still got chain to put on and tighten down.
Ride on my friend
Mike
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Post by parsonsj11 on Jun 3, 2011 22:39:28 GMT -5
took me about 7 to ride ing stage. course i got seat to put back on and plastics. i took bunch off to get rid of rattles. figure a couple hours to get all put together again then ready to go. i came in house and died. had to work in yard dont have a garage. cutup hands bruises where i shouldn't have bruises and SSOOOORRRREEEEE GOD i would like to be young again lol.. Ya ur posts helped just modified my plan a little (took off left side)
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Post by mike6736 on Jun 4, 2011 16:52:32 GMT -5
Update---Just back from 3rd test run after new Axle Gear Box installed...WOW...This trike has never ran like this befor, no more noise grinding and seems to have better pick/up. Am going to check chain tension again when it cools out side and it is a done deal...
Going to to check rollers and new belt tonite and work on the skin as now I can hear everything
Mike
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