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Post by timelancer on Apr 13, 2011 5:40:24 GMT -5
83cc? did you get the big the piston measured that you put in? Also I was under the impression the a9 cam was for 125cc scoots only? just questions I could be wrong.
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Post by rapidjim on Apr 13, 2011 9:44:39 GMT -5
Just got done putting a 83cc bbk, big valve head with a9 cam and 24mm carburetor on my mojo. I decided to measure the piston and jug that I took out. The piston measures 46.52mm and the jug measures 46.75mm. This is supposed to be a 50cc engine. Roy Back in June, I did a review on one of 50cc Ice Bear Trikes. scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=threewheelers&action=display&thread=31566I had made a comment that the IB 50cc Trike out ran a new Roketa 50cc 2 wheeler. There was one person that said "bullsh!t" and a debate was on. (That portion of the posts have been deleted). Your measurements of the bore explains why the trike was faster. Looks like IB did the same as another company did, put a larger bore in and called it a 50cc, or maybe just a few got done that way. Thanks for the info. Jim Jim |
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Post by Enviromoto on Apr 13, 2011 11:49:51 GMT -5
That was me that called Bullsh!t and I stand by my statement  |
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Post by edfr on Apr 13, 2011 13:44:32 GMT -5
Enviromoto,
Did you run the 50cc Trike against a Two Wheeler 50cc? Jim did and he is honest as they come. So until you can prove otherwise please do not be ignorant to a fellow dealer, doesn't help you sell your products in my book when your bascially calling him a liar.
Lefty
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Post by Enviromoto on Apr 13, 2011 14:45:49 GMT -5
If you think about it a trike has a extra wheel, and a chain drive system that would cause extra drag on the motor correct? So my thinking is unless something was seriously wrong with the two wheeler there is no way a trike could out run it. Now if your saying Im calling Jim a liar because I think his results are wrong, those are your words not mine.
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Post by edfr on Apr 13, 2011 17:45:38 GMT -5
Your backstroking now buddy, telling him BULLsh!t is not thinking his results are wrong your flat out calling him a liar by anybodys thinking not just mine. I don't have to think about the extra wheels and chains they are geared differently and even the motors have more ump to compensate for any extra weight. I personally know a lot about trikes and since you don't know squat about trikes your opinions are meaningless and until you can prove otherwise then come and talk the walk.
Lefty
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Post by Enviromoto on Apr 13, 2011 17:50:55 GMT -5
Im ready to race when you are.
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Post by edfr on Apr 13, 2011 18:50:46 GMT -5
Typical response you would expect from a kid. Maybe you can beat this poor slob. Lefty  |
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Post by mike6736 on Apr 13, 2011 20:58:27 GMT -5
Heeyyy....how dat guy do that........
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Post by rapidjim on Apr 14, 2011 9:20:15 GMT -5
hey Jim, I was surprised. I remember that post. I originally bought a 72cc kit but then decided to go bigger. If I would have known this I wouldn't have even done the bbk. This trike will out run my renegade 50. Me thinks me got scammed LOL Roy Good on you Roy! One question out of curiosity, did the trike out run the renegade before the mod? Lefty, thanks for the good words. I do my best to report the information as accurately as I can and with a lot of research. Enviromoto, I stand by exactly what I said in June. I think maybe you might be missing something in the post written by Roy. The trike he has, originally came with a 46.52mm piston. That makes it bigger than a 50cc. Also the trikes are geared differently than a two wheeler, either one of which would make up for the drag of the chain and weight. Jim |
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Post by Enviromoto on Apr 14, 2011 10:00:33 GMT -5
Gearing won't help you on the top end... how far did you race these in June?
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Post by rapidjim on Apr 14, 2011 10:35:43 GMT -5
Gearing won't help you on the top end... how far did you race these in June? I beg to differ with you on gearing. Gearing can be set up to either improve take off or top speed, depending on which way you gear, up or down. I didn't say we "raced" them. I simply said "The pull from a dead stop was more than I expected and I hit a quick 40 MPH before backing off the throttle, in fact it out ran one of my new Roketa 50cc limited." I am not going to debate this issue with you any farther. I know what we saw here and that is how I reported it. Before you even say "Im ready to race when you are", I am not into racing scooters. I don't have anything to prove. Jim/Owner Rapid Repair |
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Post by edfr on Apr 14, 2011 12:07:20 GMT -5
Jim, No need to thank me, just telling it like I see it. And for anyone reading this if you want a Cheap Way to get more Top End without going into the motor change the gears that your Clutch turns. Changing the Short Shaft that your Clutch shaft turns with 1 MORE tooth and the Big Gear that the Short Shaft turns which in turn, turns your Shaft that turns your wheel by 1 LESS tooth you will gain 4-5mph on your top end. Here are the Gears I am talking about: Lefty www.partsforscooters.com/Gear_set_gy6 |
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Post by dudley on Apr 14, 2011 12:54:40 GMT -5
if the trikes are really 72cc not 50cc then the whole arguments a wash.
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Post by Enviromoto on Apr 14, 2011 12:55:42 GMT -5
Gearing won't help you on the top end... how far did you race these in June? It wont help on the top end if you are geared for acceleration. |
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Post by Enviromoto on Apr 14, 2011 12:59:23 GMT -5
if the trikes are really 72cc not 50cc then the whole arguments a wash. True and if these really are sold with 72cc kits in them but the MCO says 50cc somebody is in hot water. |
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Post by edfr on Apr 14, 2011 13:02:42 GMT -5
Gearing won't help you on the top end... how far did you race these in June? It wont help on the top end if you are geared for acceleration. Now your learning. |
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Post by Enviromoto on Apr 14, 2011 13:11:52 GMT -5
Your kidding right?
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Post by edfr on Apr 14, 2011 13:23:16 GMT -5
No not kidding, never to young or old to learn something. Thats the way everyone learns by asking questions and or saying something that was wrong and someone corrects you, nothing to be ashamed of.
Lefty
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Post by fugaziiv on Apr 14, 2011 13:25:16 GMT -5
Part Numberafafasaas: 169-112....
lol...
I'll have to fix that...
Matt
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Post by rapidjim on Apr 14, 2011 13:30:27 GMT -5
Man, talk about bad luck. I took the trike out for a test ride. about a block from home a terrible racket came from the right rear fender. A piece of stiff wire got stuck in the tread right in the center groove and wrapped around the tire bent around and punctured the side wall. So trike is out of commission till I get a new tire. Roy Now that sucks big time! |
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Post by edfr on Apr 14, 2011 14:55:18 GMT -5
Roy,
What size tires are on there?
Lefty
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Post by edfr on Apr 14, 2011 15:35:55 GMT -5
Roy, You can get these they are only 2" inches taller than what you have on, so if you have little more than a 1" clearance under the fender you won't have to raise the fender holders. Plus at 40 miles an hour you gain about 5 more mph Lefty scooterchromeparts.com/#/oil-cooler/4536392104 |
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Post by edfr on Apr 14, 2011 16:21:46 GMT -5
Roy,
You lost me on that one Bro? Cool me in, my brain is not registering what you mean.
Lefty
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Post by edfr on Apr 14, 2011 17:30:01 GMT -5
Oh, hahaha, I just put that up cause one dealer has it for $199.00 another has it for $190.00 and this one has it for $119.00. But yea it will make your scoot fly  Lefty |
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Post by mike6736 on Apr 14, 2011 19:49:09 GMT -5
That Lefty........He crackss me up.....Always on fire..
He Daaa Man..
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