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Post by skytex on Apr 3, 2011 11:29:16 GMT -5
Well, monday I get to pick up my new icebear pst150-11 trike (metallic blue color). I test drove it yesterday and like it well enough. Time will only tell how well it is on a longer ride. Anyways, I've read alot on them and seen alot of people do some upgrades to theirs to get more speed/power out of them and just generally make them run better. So I was hoping some of the expierenced people here would toss out some suggestions and possibly some links to things I should look at upgrading. I read one post stating that the air/fuel filters are junk as is the icebear fuel pump. I'm guessing those should be the first in my list. What parts should I get to upgrade them with? I also plan to upgrade the exhaust as that is another one I've heard will fall apart. It is a 2010 model (no reverse & kickstart), so supposedly the muffler is a bit better quality. Still, on my cars I always upgrade the intake/exhaust at the same time. better in better out. I'd also like some better tires as the ones on the rear just don't sit right with me on the tread pattern. Anything else I should look at?
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Post by skytex on Apr 4, 2011 12:42:42 GMT -5
28 views and not even a comment? What gives?
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Post by edfr on Apr 4, 2011 13:01:01 GMT -5
Skytes, They probably don't know about the Trikes ;D Out of the Crate it will probably do around 50mph, the speedo is probably off about 8mph on the high side. So at wot it will probably read near 60 or so but don't believe it  To get a little more speed, get yourself a Prodigy Variator and 12G Dr. Pulley Slider weights. That will make the belt climb higher in the Variator for more top end speed and still have good start and mid-range pull. Later on if your looking for more Speed you can put in taller gears in the tranny, for every tooth change you will gain around 4mph but with the stock motor you should not go more than 2 UP on the short shaft and 2 DOWN on the Big Gear. The Muffler is the same as they first ones that they put on EXCEPT on the new ones they Welded the Seams front and back and not used rivets to hold the cover on. The baffles will probably break off inside in around 3 or so months and start rattleing inside and or block the damn thing. Anyways because you are limited on the length of the muffler due to the Axle you can get a 12" Supertrapp Muffler that are adjustable for Less Free Flow or More Free FLow. The Mufflers are very strong and are one piece. You just have to get one that will fit your Header Pipe outlet side. Here is where I got mine. But I also had a 1 1/4" Header Pipe and replaced the 1" that they come with. You can click on the Videos and listen to how they sound. I have all 8 Disc(s) on mine it comes with 8 Disc(s). For stock setup they say 4-8 discs and I tried all combos 4-8 and I like all 8. 4 was to restrictive and 8 freed it up. www.supertrapp.com/product_sections/cat.asp?CatID=34Tires, take a look at the size of the tire and see what size it comes with I think they are now coming with 235/30x12s the first ones came with 225/40x10s. The 235/30x12 is a hard size to find and if your going to change tires I would suggest get Taller tires on the same Rim that will also get you more top end  I believe some of the other guys with trikes that have 235/30x12s could not find anything the only thing they found were 255/50x12s which are wider and 4" taller so it may require the Fenders to be Raised to Fit them under the Fender. Also you have to watch the Width of the Tire the inside may hit the Fender Holders which will also require to move the Center section in about 1/2 inch on both sides. Later on you can always put a Big Bore Kit and bring up the displacements, You can go bring up the displacement from 149.6(current) to almost 200cc(s) if you want. Lefty |
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Post by skytex on Apr 4, 2011 19:37:07 GMT -5
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Post by edfr on Apr 4, 2011 19:52:02 GMT -5
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Post by rapidjim on Apr 4, 2011 20:46:58 GMT -5
28 views and not even a comment? What gives? That may be because, to me, your thread is fairly vague. Another reason is there isn't much discussion on the IB 150s because most of the discussions deal with 300s. As Lefty said, Wildman has done a lot to his 150, but his has reverse if I remember right and he had a lot of issues with that. Send him a PM, I am sure he will gladly share. I have seen and heard others talk of the cheap air filter assm IB uses on the 150s, the only cure for this, that I am aware of is to change to a Uni Flow or similar. Because IB elected not to use a restrictive air filter, up jetting may not be necessary. I have not tested this to be sure. On the other hand, experimenting with jets may help you out. Some 150s are jetted lean other aren't so there is not a rule of thumb here. What works for one may not work for the other, as you may know from upgrades to your cars. Stock out of the box with a 2010 I doubt that you will have fuel pump issues. Haven't heard about that one lately as being a constant problem on a stock machine. At least from the tech calls I have received. I was a bit confused on your comment "I'd also like some better tires as the ones on the rear just don't sit right with me on the tread pattern." Not sure what "doesn't sit right with me" means. You want more aggressive tires? Not so aggressive? Different size? Hard to help if we don't know what you mean. The more information on what you are trying to achieve would help in getting the correct response. Also when you PM Wildman ask him for the link on the exhaust he built for his. Now in the near future we are doing some very extensive motor/tranny mods on a 150. Very large bore kit, stroker crank, some different gears, carb mods, the list goes on. When we get this done I will post before and after information. Until then, the information Lefty gave you along with my input is the best I can do at this time. Good Luck to you. Jim/Owner Rapid Repair |
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Post by skytex on Apr 5, 2011 8:07:45 GMT -5
Ok, on the tires, I'm wanting something which may ride smoother. I know the stock tires on many cars are the cheapest they can find and ride quality isn't a concern. I assume this goes here as well. I'd also like a bit taller tire to gain a couple of mph in the process. It currently has 205/50-10 rear tires. I don't have the info on the front tire at hand ATM. Also shock absorbers. Are these of a decent quality or should I be looking for new ones? I have only gotten about 10 miles on my trike cause I'm waiting for a 3wbrc class to get my m endorsement. I have lots of downtime to play with it so I'm looking for guidance. On the air filter, I'm not even sure what size it takes. I thought icebear was supposed to be putting out a technical manual on these. I'm sorry if I'm not real specific but I lack a good base of knowledge to get into the details much. All I've got to work with is a bit I've read. Mostly from wildman's posts and another guy going by difonix I believe. Ah well I can only stumble in the dark so long before I find the lights. I'll send wildman a pm.
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Post by edfr on Apr 5, 2011 11:23:21 GMT -5
Skytex, Great that you have 205/50-10 tires, you can then get 205/65-10 DOT approved Kenda Load Star tires. They have regular street threads and ride very smooth. Lefty golfcarttirestore.com/205-65-10.htmHere is a Tire Size Speed Calculator, going from your current tires to 205/65-10 you will pick up aprox 5-6mph at 50mph over the 205/50-10 tires. www.csgnetwork.com/tireinfo4calc.html |
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Post by skytex on Apr 5, 2011 19:54:12 GMT -5
Thanks edfr! That's exactly the kinda stuff I'm looking for! I've got the site favorited. Plan to pick a set of these up next month. Any ideas on the air filter? I looked close at it and as near as I can tell it is a GY6 motor. Looks exactly like one I saw online.
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Post by edfr on Apr 5, 2011 21:50:31 GMT -5
Yes, it is a CY6 engine, as far as the Air Filter if you put on a Cone like a K&N it would be almost equivalent to what it has on there and may get away without rejetting the carb. As you probably found out the Filter is a JOKE and lets lots of air in already. But if you put on a UNI filter then you will have to Up-Jet your carb. Lefty store.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=RC-2580 |
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Post by kixome on Apr 5, 2011 22:28:11 GMT -5
Add a turbocharger to that thing.
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Post by bigggroovy on Apr 5, 2011 23:18:50 GMT -5
If you buy that keep me updated on how it runs. I haven't heard many good things about those.
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Post by edfr on Apr 6, 2011 0:52:03 GMT -5
Haven't heard good things about what? If your talking about the K&N filters you must be talking to people that haven't tried them due to the cost. Most people will buy UNI Filters they don't want to pay the money. Now there are some that LOOK like the K&N but are not they have a mesh type screen maybe thats what they were talking about also they are not PAPER like K&N filters. Paper Filters if you know are your best dirt catchers around.
Lefty
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Post by kixome on Apr 6, 2011 1:16:05 GMT -5
I thought K&n were fabric? I could as always be wrong.
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Post by skytex on Apr 6, 2011 7:15:17 GMT -5
So should I go K&N or this Uni? I haven't heard of the latter, but I've used K&N products on my cars and trucks and had very good results with them. Can someone provide a link to both that would fit a gy6?
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Post by edfr on Apr 6, 2011 14:11:21 GMT -5
Your choice, just remember you may have to mess with up-jetting your carb due to more air coming in and the air fuel ratio will be off. You may get away with just richening up your Air/Fuel Mixture and or Raising the Needle on the Diaphgram. It is NOT a Plug and Play situation, you may get lucky and just need to richen up the Air/Fuel mixture.
As for what size you need to find which carb is on the Trike and the Air Inlet Size so you get the right size Air Filter that will fit onto the opening. So take the current Filter off and measure the Filter Opening and get one with the same size opening.
Lefty
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Post by rapidjim on Apr 6, 2011 14:24:23 GMT -5
As I said it my reply, I don't think upjetting will be required because of the free flow filter IB uses on the 150s. They don't use an air box like others do. Then again, depending on the jetting already there it maybe jetted to low to start with. This I have seen.
Jim
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Post by edfr on Apr 6, 2011 14:34:38 GMT -5
Hey Jim, You are probably right on maybe getting away without re-jetting due to the BIG FOAM FILTER they have on there Two inchs in diameter cut out with scissosrs and they were drunk when doing it and held on with a wire tie off a loaf of bread and 1/2 inch thick ;D Jim , I need two nice days But will be there(HEHE). Lefty |
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Post by bigggroovy on Apr 6, 2011 15:00:47 GMT -5
I'm talking about the trike. One of my friends says his sux!
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Post by bigggroovy on Apr 6, 2011 15:27:13 GMT -5
I'm talking about the trike. One of my friends says his sux!
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Post by rapidjim on Apr 6, 2011 15:28:47 GMT -5
I'm talking about the trike. One of my friends says his sux! Everyone has their own opions. From our experience, being a dealer and a repair facility, with the proper PDI from the beginning, these are just as good as anything out there. Yes, as with any machine they can have their quirks, but overall they are a good value for the money you spend. Granted we deal more with the 300s, but have dealt with a few 150s and the customers seem to be pleased with what they got. Have a great day! Jim |
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Post by edfr on Apr 6, 2011 15:29:33 GMT -5
Bigggroovy,
Well he probably is not mechanical inclined, because they are very easy to work on and get the little rattles and things fixed. You should tell your friend to join the forum and we will help him get it running like he wants.
They are no different than a Two Wheel Scooter as a matter of fact they are Made from a Two Wheel Scooter. All they did was take the Rear Wheel Off and made the Mount to attach the Rear Axle to it and put on two wheels. Other than that it is just like a Two Wheel Scoot. If you look under it the Frame still has where the Kickstand was and where the Rear Wheel used to connect to.
Lefty
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Post by bigggroovy on Apr 6, 2011 16:37:14 GMT -5
He says that brand is not good quility. He a retired bike mechanic. He says even if you fix all the quirks the thing will not last long.
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Post by edfr on Apr 6, 2011 17:32:19 GMT -5
Well if he says it is not good quality he should of bought a Harley Trike, but then again it would not have cost $2,500.00 would it. He may be a bike mechanic but not a scooter mechanic I can tell you that. I am going on 4 years with mine and after I fixed a couple minor things, rattles a broken fuel filter it cranks at 60mph starts everytime anytime. Haven't even had to charge the battery and or Clean out the Carb. But I know at lot about engines, carbs, trans, rearends and electricals.. I am not a mechanic by trade but I do all and any work needed on mine and will put my knowledge with any mechanic around. The dealers around here will not touch a China Scoot but you go into their shop and the place is loaded with broken down Yamahas and Hondas. Most if they work for a dealer they just specialize on a few items and not are well rounded on everything and just know how to replace parts but not diagnose a problem.
Lefty
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Post by mike6736 on Apr 7, 2011 21:14:32 GMT -5
Hahaaaaaa, I remember when Yamaha, Hoda and oh myyyy....everyone said they were junk. Heck, sometimes you could see a partial lable on a case cover........!@#$ man ...let me tell you back in the early 60s we beat the !@#$ out of them and they just ran and ran. Now it is China new on the block....
If you research just a little...you'll see they been making and riding China scoots and lambrettas for years.
Hey, I love my China Scoot...IB Magnum 300cc trike, and she got attitude.....what a history!! But, she a Lady now...
I would love to have a new Harley Trike. When someone buys me one, I just can't afford $28,000 or more.......!@#$ glade to have these trikes at these prices...
!@#$....what was I doing...awww....the plane..da plane...
mike
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Post by skytex on Apr 7, 2011 21:41:09 GMT -5
Sorry I haven't gotten back sooner. Yesterday was one of those days where you just fall over when you get home from work and play dead for 8 hours.
So from what I'm getting from this, I shouldn't bother with changing the air filter? I was under the impression the stock one was junk. As for the small engine stuff, I'm here to learn. I'm quick to google problems and ask for help. All of my engine experience is 4 cylinder and up. I Was hoping there was a general filter that everyone used on these trikes. No problem. I'll pull it off this weekend and check it out. I am tempted though to leave well enough alone for now. It runs and that's good enough I think. I do still believe I will order a set of those tires. The extra speed is appreciated and a little better ride will be as well.
I did take it for a ride around the block a time or three today. That was fun. I can't wait to get my license and go ride longer. Only problem was it would not start when I pushed the button. I didn't know wtf. So I tried to kick start it and nothing. Turns out if you don't turn the kill switch back off, it doesn't start. Stupid me. I felt like a jackass. After that it fired up without even turning over twice.
As for the obvious troll invading my thread with nothing better to say than "IT SUX LOLOLOL!!!!111", please leave. If you don't have anything constructive, I don't really need to hear it.
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Post by mike6736 on Apr 7, 2011 22:26:28 GMT -5
Think the kill switch think has hit us all.....Got me taday...!@#$ hate it when that happens...
Mike
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Post by bigggroovy on Apr 7, 2011 23:12:11 GMT -5
He got this goldwing trike thing. Yellow! I'm not a big fan of yellow. I'm happy with my xpeed 250! I'm planning my next ride now. Its on the 20th. I'm going along. But I'm cool with that. As far as upgrades, how's your headlights?
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Post by rapidjim on Apr 8, 2011 8:56:22 GMT -5
Dont feel bad Skytex, I think we all have been hit by the " Dohhh!!!!! Kill switch on?  ?" Even had a Honda in here that a customer brought in for a no start, before he brought it in I asked is the kill switch on, he replied " I am not stupid, of course I checked that " Well guess what, it was the kill switch. As far as "that brand is not good quality" is concerned. My only response is : How does he know? How many different brands of scooters has this retired bike mechanic worked on? I am here to tell you, from experience on working on everything from Cushmans, Sears, Chinese, Yamaha, Honda, Harleys, vintage and new the list goes on, that the quality of an Ice Bear Trike is as good if not better, as any other Chinese machine. As already been said by someone my "age", look how bad the Japanese machines were badmouthed back in the 60s and 70s, now it seems people are praising them. Jim/Owner Rapid Repair |
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Post by skytex on Apr 9, 2011 20:43:44 GMT -5
Ok, can anyone tell me how to go about adjusting the headlights? How do I aim them? The low beams only get out about 10 feet and the highs maybe 20. They both seem to need to aim up a bit. Maybe tell me how the 300's do it. It's likely the same I hope.
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?" Even had a Honda in here that a customer brought in for a no start, before he brought it in I asked is the kill switch on, he replied " I am not stupid, of course I checked that " Well guess what, it was the kill switch.