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Post by Javarod on May 23, 2006 19:46:34 GMT -5
I think the subject line is clear enough. I've been offered what's effectively a Verona by a nother name with 300 miles on it for a steal, and I'm curious about the motor, is it a GY6 variant? Most Chinese scooters seem to be air cooled, but this is a water cooled 150, so I'd like an idea of what I can do with it performance wise.
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Post by Idi Amin on May 23, 2006 19:55:28 GMT -5
Beware - I have heard of Veronas (which I think are made by CF Moto) suffering from overheating problems.
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Post by medman1952 on May 23, 2006 20:30:56 GMT -5
I guess the question is, how big of a steal is it? for the right price anything could be worth purchasing
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Post by Javarod on May 23, 2006 20:49:18 GMT -5
Yeah, that's part of why this one was in the warehouse, my dealer who doesn't do Chinese only sorted it out after a couple tries, putting 300 miles on it before being sure it was sorted out. I'm quite confident about the support I'll get from them, and because of my relaxed attitude towards the possibility of problems, they're willing to sell it to me, its been in the warehouse mostly because they don't want to have to deal with an irate customer if the scooter turns out not to be perfect. Me, I've not expectations as such, especially not at the price I'm getting, so they're comfortable with selling it to me.
Hmmm, anyone wanna buy a 50cc KYMCo?
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Post by Admin on May 23, 2006 21:37:29 GMT -5
The Verona is a TNG and almost an exact copy of the Kymco People 150. I'm pretty sure it's GY6 based but the diplacement is slightly higher, indicating some modification. It's probably a pretty decent scoot if you can get it for under $2K would be great. The thing I don't like about TnG is the way they market, pretending they are built in America, while it's pretty much the same Chinese stuff. Sure they bolt a few parts on here and then charge 30% more. If they are wanting to charge you like $2500, I would just step up the the Kymco. If the price is right....go for it! I've always liked the looks of that scoot.
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Post by Javarod on May 24, 2006 2:14:05 GMT -5
Actually, while the styles have simularities, they're quire different, I like the Verona better. People 150: www.kymcousa.com/gallery/still/People150_Silv.jpgVerona: www.tngscooters.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=121The scooter in question is well under $2000, and is actually not branded with the TNG name, my guess is that it predates those exclusive contracts that CMSI talks about in their Schwinn lawsuit, making it a rather unique scoot. As to TNG, I agree with you, that and the price seems high for something who's quality is no better than your typical Chinese scoot, an important thing when I can get a 05 leftover People 150 for $3200. Say what you will, KYMCo creates a top notch product, although price wise, its kinda hard to justify one over a Chinese scoot... unless you're comparing TNG. |
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Post by lewtwo on May 24, 2006 17:34:02 GMT -5
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Post by Javarod on May 25, 2006 21:42:10 GMT -5
Chuckles, "IN the end, we've kinda wandered off topic, haven't we? Basically I'm wondering what I can do to make it go faster, will standard GY6 parts fit (and work for that matter)?"
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Post by Admin on May 26, 2006 13:26:08 GMT -5
Wow, I had to remove my last post on this. I was just looking at the specs on the Verona and I don't believe it is gy6.
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Post by Javarod on May 26, 2006 18:01:18 GMT -5
Laughs, "Sounds like I'm looking at a long strange trip, hmmm?"
;D
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Post by lewtwo on May 27, 2006 1:44:18 GMT -5
>> I was just looking at the specs ... <<
I read the reviews that TNG had posted and a couple of things are really starting to confuse me. A lot of "dealers" will claim that the chinese gy6 bikes can go 65-70mph and get 75-80mpg, but I have seen very few owners claim better than either 55 mph or 60 mpg for the stock gy6 150cc bike.
The verona has nearly the same wheel base and is a few pounds heavier than the Longbo 150. Both reviews report 100mpg and better than 60mph top end. If these numbers are realistic then this bike is VERY interesting. Can liquid cooling really make that much difference ?
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Post by Javarod on May 27, 2006 9:33:56 GMT -5
Well, it might be some time before I get the scoot, money and all that, but we'll get it and report.
Hmmm, anyone want to buy a 2004 KYMCo Vitality?
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Post by Admin on May 27, 2006 15:05:25 GMT -5
>> I was just looking at the specs ... << I read the reviews that TNG had posted and a couple of things are really starting to confuse me. A lot of "dealers" will claim that the chinese gy6 bikes can go 65-70mph and get 75-80mpg, but I have seen very few owners claim better than either 55 mph or 60 mpg for the stock gy6 150cc bike. The verona has nearly the same wheel base and is a few pounds heavier than the Longbo 150. Both reviews report 100mpg and better than 60mph top end. If these numbers are realistic then this bike is VERY interesting. Can liquid cooling really make that much difference ? I don't know what powers the Verona but it is rated at 153cc and over 10 HP. I suspect that it is one of the new modified versions of the GY6, similar to what's in the 150i I'm reviewing. I still haven't had a chance to top the 150i yet but I'm confident it can do 60 or better. I know the guy (Bryce Ludwig) that wrote that review for Scooter World Magazine and actually ride with him sometimes. He's a great guy and knows his stuff. |
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Post by fulltilt1 on May 27, 2006 16:13:13 GMT -5
It's not a GY6 it's water cooled.
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Post by Javarod on May 27, 2006 17:37:07 GMT -5
This will be an interesting thing then, after all, this forum exists as the GY6 are the most common engine in a Chinese scoot, so this is either a modified GY6, another engine clone, or a non-Chinese engine. This should be very interesting, and just the weirdness I like.
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Post by Admin on May 27, 2006 17:55:19 GMT -5
It's not a GY6 it's water cooled. There is no reason a gy6 cannot be water cooled. I'm going to see if I can find a local dealer and go take a look at one. |
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Post by kevperro on May 27, 2006 23:17:12 GMT -5
>> I was just looking at the specs ... << I read the reviews that TNG had posted and a couple of things are really starting to confuse me. A lot of "dealers" will claim that the chinese gy6 bikes can go 65-70mph and get 75-80mpg, but I have seen very few owners claim better than either 55 mph or 60 mpg for the stock gy6 150cc bike. The verona has nearly the same wheel base and is a few pounds heavier than the Longbo 150. Both reviews report 100mpg and better than 60mph top end. If these numbers are realistic then this bike is VERY interesting. Can liquid cooling really make that much difference ? I'd ignore what the marketing guys for Chinese scooters claim. The key to better mpg or mph for that matter is better efficiency. Look for three areas... #1. Less drag, either aerodynamic or mechanical. Let's assume for a minute that the effective aerodynamic drag is effectively the same amoung scooters. It's not true but under 30mph it is less of a factor. Rolling resistance is going to be determined by tires/wheel drag & friction among all the moving parts. Most scooters are on a fairly level playing field. #2. Better combustion efficiency. This is where the Chinese scoots could be greatly improved upon. My machine stinks from the partial combustion products. Motorcycles and scooters have much lower emission standards than cars and it shows. A better designed intake/exhaust system, fuel injection and variable valve timing would improve fuel efficiency (and power) by 25-35% would be my guess. The fact is that the scooter market is not forced to improve like the automotive industry (by govt. regulation). High performance and power are not cost effective. The cheapest possible purchase price is more important in the scooter market and the Chinese don't have the engineering talent that Japan, North American or Europe does. They can copy anything though... ;-) #3. Gearing.... if you improve your gearing to better match your weight, engine & driving habits you will greatly improve your milage. This is one area that I think a lot of people could improve easily by playing with the CVT. My Tank 150cc GY6 gets me to about 60mph (flat level with no headwind) but my RPMs are limited to around 6000rpm. I don't have enough data points for milage yet but my second tank averaged about 65mpg. It is still breaking-in and it is otherwise bone stock. I'm at sea level for the most part. My house is at 1100ft though so I climb a hill coming home from work which effects my milage in a negative way. |
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Post by lewtwo on Jun 3, 2006 13:58:55 GMT -5
>> There is no reason a gy6 cannot be water cooled.
I'm going to see if I can find a local dealer and go take a look at one. <<
Good luck. I wanted to take a look as well but I can not find a TNG dealer in SE Florida that has one... although several would be happy to order it if I was willing to purchase it up front. I emailed TNG and they were of no help either.
Note:
My GY6 has the serial number on the bottom fron left hand side. Oposite that it (right side) it has GY6 followed by 0.75L in raised letters on the crank case casting. Might be something to look for if you find one.
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Post by Javarod on Jun 10, 2006 13:05:25 GMT -5
Ok, I've seen the scoot, and it looks good, its similar to this: www.motocooper.com/gpage.html but not quite, it is an older Moto Cooper model with a 150. Because of where it was I couldn't get a great look at the front to see ifn it matches the Revo II, perhaps its a Revo I? I will say the seat is different, its a two piece seat rather than the one piece found on the Revo II or Verona, otherwise it looks more like the Verona, in a metallic charcoal. Oh, and I forgot, its a Linhai, so that's not a GY6, is it? |
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