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Post by Bluefront on Dec 4, 2010 16:08:55 GMT -5
Got a box of stuff from Scrappy today (in two days as usual)....among the items was a set of front pads. These are the "Handsome Boy" type. They fit perfectly. I filed down the leading and trailing edges of the pads. The OEM pads had this champher, Scrappy's didn't. This cuts down on brake noise. The OEM pads had a bunch of wear left....you could go 15K + on the stock pads from the looks of it. The other style pad Scrappy sells looks to be right for the rear of this Xingyue.....don't know though, since I bought a different set from BMS. FWIW.....I also bought vent canister, and a PCV valve. When I get these mod parts installed, I'll post about it.
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Post by Eat Sleep Scooters on Dec 7, 2010 22:32:23 GMT -5
Dag yall I sold my Xingyue. It just didnt fit my expectations and wasn't for me. I did some trading around and got me a Suzuki Intruder 800. I was hoping to see how many miles I put on it, but I couldn't pass up a cruiser bike for the life of me.
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Post by Bluefront on Dec 8, 2010 4:44:31 GMT -5
Good luck with the bike....too bad you couldn't keep them both. When I used to have big bikes and small bikes and/or scooters, the small 2-wheeler always got used more frequently. You might have found that out yourself. Highway cruising on the interstate is the only thing I can't do with my Xingyue......that and riding double if I wanted (I don't). I installed a Scrappy oil catch-tank the other day.....the whole story is in this thread. I'm going to be testing this setup for a while, but it might take some time due to the temps (18 degrees right now]. The thing fits in this Xingyue pretty well..
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Post by nomadcf on Dec 13, 2010 21:57:10 GMT -5
I took the scooter out for a ride today It Started right up, which surprised me some. I was figuring that with the 20/50w oil it would have been a little on the tougher side to start. But I was wrong, never even tried to stall on me.
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Post by ootscoot on Dec 13, 2010 23:26:06 GMT -5
Man, that looks a bit cold - who in their right mind would be out taking pictures of a scooter rider in that weather?
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Post by Bluefront on Dec 14, 2010 4:29:36 GMT -5
Nice snow pictures.....but the usual consequences of riding in the snow keeps me off the roads in those conditions. When I road a bike with an attached sidecar, snow rides were fun. But on two wheels....crazy.
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Post by Bluefront on Apr 10, 2011 17:43:36 GMT -5
Springtime, 2011. I passed 10K miles the other day....took a while. I didn't ride much the past four months. We went through long periods with snow/ice everywhere. I can handle cold stuff, but not ice on the road. Few changes.....I'm trying to up the mpgs this summer, more than the 57 I was getting last year. So I went back to a #107 main jet, from the #112.5 I was using. Seems to have helped a little....the scoot runs the same. In a few weeks I'll go back to the stock pilot...... I did a valve adjustment....first in a while. The exhaust had closed up a little.....intake was still at .003. I'm running .004 on the exhaust for now. I'm trying a new valve gasket setup.....I let the silicone bead dry thoroughly, then put on a thin layer of fresh silicone, and installed the cover. We'll see how this holds up.... You can't hurry this process.....I let the bead harden for 8 hours before I installed the cover, and let the cover dry over-night. Looked at the stock NGK plug.....it's got about 8K on it. Still looks good, with good color. The gap had opened up a little....readjusted it to .030. It's got a lot of life left. I acquired a new Vespa tail light.....it replaces the smaller light I was using in this location as a third/high-mounted brake light. It's much brighter with more LEDs. I could have hooked up the tail light circuit, but I think this will be more noticeable as simply a brake light. No more mods planned for now.....and no big problems. Looking forward to a lot of riding> ;D
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Post by sprocket on Apr 10, 2011 19:19:39 GMT -5
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Post by Bluefront on Apr 11, 2011 7:14:37 GMT -5
sprocket.....the OEM cover gasket is not a simple "O" ring, like my 50s use on the cover. It was a wider rubber gasket that over-lapped the inner and outer edges of the cover......the center part of the gasket wedged down in the slot. The first time I adjusted the valves, this gasket was partially damaged. Subsequent attempted repairs using adhesive silicone on the OEM gasket were not 100% successful. I don't want to buy another stock gasket.....just looks too fragile and easily broken. Maybe this new setup will be better. The other day in another post, sprocket told of his valve adjustment method (adjusting one valve when the other is open). I tried that method on my exhaust valve......set the valve to a tight .004, then rotated the crank to TDC on the compression stroke (using the cam sprocket markings). This is the factory-recommended method. When I rechecked the clearance, it measured a loose .005. Had I used sprocket's method to adjust the exhaust valve, it would have been noisy (too loose)...... this clearance difference between the two methods is due to the accuracy (inaccuracy) of the cam grind. FWIW....I'm going to continue to use the TDC method for my adjustments. Works for me>
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Apr 11, 2011 10:33:41 GMT -5
Second ride of the season today. 45-ish and windy. Head wind of course, (news said 20 to 30mph) and on the flat I could sure feel it slowing me down, downhill not bad, uphill much worse. And when I was perpendicular to the wind direction, I was leaned way way over. I cant imagine that on a tiny tire scoot.
I did get that touring jacket from Himalayan leather and it fits well and if plenty warm on its own in the 40s. I had a thermal shirt on with it last week in the low 30's. I am about to put in an order on scrappydawg for sliders and jets, coil and wire, new plug, maybe a couple other items I can’t recall right now. Time for an oil change and valve adjust. I haven’t added my LED fog lights yet,
Bluefront - you have a ton of bag storage on yours, but have you considered a bike trailer - like for grocery shopping? I am thinking of looking for a used trailer and adding lights - even a flag. Not like I'd be going cross country, but a few miles to the store and back in one trip.
Regular gas is at $4 per gallon today in this area today.
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Apr 11, 2011 11:20:22 GMT -5
Bluefront - you used a 112.5 main jet? scrappydowg has a 105 then a 115, 125 and 135. Will the 115 be too much? Or did you find a better source?
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Post by Bluefront on Apr 11, 2011 14:18:36 GMT -5
I guess one could rig up a trailer hitch.....but I'm not interested. I usually do grocery shopping on the way back from riding (there are stores close to home). So I can make multiple small purchases without much trouble. For the few times I need more carrying capacity.....I use the car. That 112.5 size is from the local Honda dealer......their sizing goes 2.5 per jump. A 115 for me was too rich....tried one. The Shell station was up to $4.23 for premium today. So I bit the bullet and went back to regular....still $3.89.
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Apr 11, 2011 20:13:51 GMT -5
All my stores are a few miles or more. Except Sams Club, which = huge items of course.
On my way home from work today I had my first breakdown. I was WOT, just starting down the biggest hill and I realized I had no power. At the bottom it was dead, I got around the corner and over the curb out of traffic. Fuel filter had zero fuel in it. Well, I thought, good thing I ordered that manual petcock. Popped the hose and with a little vacuum, I got the filter refilled and connected the vac line. No start. I also realized I don't have a screwdriver in my tiny kit. I was nearly able to see the spark plug boot appeared to be out a bit. I reached in and it was falling out of the hole. No screw driver, and even with a flashlight I was not able to see where the ignition wire needed to go, and I managed to get two hands in from different directions (and it had been long enough the exhaust wasn't hot enough to burn any more.) Poked the plug boot into the hole (no snap or catch of any sort - new wire on order) I know it wasn't long, maybe 8 or 10 minutes.
I knew I should have ordered that wire last fall when I replaced the fuel filter because I didn't like it then.
I've been running mid-grade, but with the bigger jets, I shouldn't have to worry about detonation so much if I use regular. I guess Ill put in my scrappydog order and check the local Honda dealer.
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Post by Bluefront on Apr 12, 2011 12:58:56 GMT -5
When I first got this scoot a year ago, I was convinced I was hearing detonation on acceleration. So I went up a few main jet sizes....settled on the #112.5 with one step leaner on the needle position. This winter I went up one size on the pilot. When I first started with the jet mods, I also went to the 10gr sliders from Scrappy. Anyway......I haven't heard any detonation sounds since. It could be simply the OEM rollers were the cause of the detonation-type sounds.....can't say. I'm gradually leaning out the carburation , as well as using regular gas (I've always used Shell premium). I'll be closely listening for any new pinging sounds.....
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Apr 12, 2011 13:19:17 GMT -5
Reading back through this thread, again, I saw the bit about the Honda SH150. Slightly different body but the shape is identicle, headlight/handlebar nacell is different - low profile wind defelctor and other minor differences. Same wheels... Same motor, except fuel injected and over 15HP.
Window shopping on ebay, there are parts for the SH150 that may also work on the ITA150. Including $350+ TwoBrother exhausts! New Scoots for $4000 plus shipping. One on CL for $2900 last ngiht used with 1400 miles.
I wish I could find a fuel injection system to order and install. Mounting an O2 sensor in the exhaust might be the hard part -assuming they would use one for fuel efficiency and emissions.
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Post by Bluefront on Apr 12, 2011 14:31:46 GMT -5
There are EFI kits available for these small engines......but they all rely on an O2 sensor for feed-back to the control unit. They come with a little threaded "bung" that you weld on to the head pipe.
Without an O2 sensor the system wouldn't know how much fuel to inject at any given time. The mixture is constantly being readjusted according to the intake temperature, the altitude, the amount of measured oxygen in the exhaust, maybe the vacuum, etc. But the O2 sensor reading is the most critical.
In theory such a system will give better overall performance and better mpgs......but at a great cost. I've seen one SH150I......it's almost a clone of the Xingyue, except it has a drum rear brake and no tach (if I remember correctly). Of course you get liquid cooling and EFI........for $4500+. No way........
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Apr 12, 2011 15:02:10 GMT -5
clone it is - rear disk, and aircooled. $4k on ebay and a little less on CL. maybe no tach - I was looking at the ebay ads and tons more pictures. I love FI - hate carbs. I have been searching but not finding any information on either the Honda SH150 or Suzuki Sixteen (the other high power EFI clone) or any aftermarket EFI. I believe the Suzuki Sixteen has a 4 valve head and is rated at 17HP
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Apr 15, 2011 15:29:07 GMT -5
ordered some stuff from scrappydog late on Monday night and received the package Thursday. e Not cheap shipping but pretty quick so cant complain too much. Got the new coil/wire/cap and a new plug installed. Just in time for a week of crappy weather.
Gotta replace a brake switch and the sliders, adjust the valves and get the main jet and install those.
Something to do Saturday if it isn't too cold out.
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Post by n8man35 on Apr 16, 2011 10:09:15 GMT -5
I have an ITA 150 and have an issue that I believe is transmission issue, just don't know what part of the transmission.
When rolling my scooter whether not running, it hesitates, sticks, or whatever you want to call it. At idle, the scoot stays engaged and tries to roll.
Any suggestions? I'm open for all ideas and suggestions.
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Post by Bluefront on Apr 16, 2011 11:04:03 GMT -5
You need to remove the CVT cover and see what's happening.....with the scoot on the center stand, and the engine not running, turn the rear wheel by hand. The belt should make no attempt to turn......if it does, you have a clutch problem of some sort. If it does, you may have a broken clutch spring, or something that causes a shoe to contact the bell housing at all times.
If that checks ok and the belt doesn't try to turn when you spin the wheel.......start the engine. At a low/normal idle speed of 2K or less, the rear wheel should not move very fast(or at all)......if it does, you may have a variator problem of some sort. A stuck/broken roller or a very dirty crud-filled variator may be to blame.
Realize I'm going by what I've observed, since I've had both the variator and clutch apart, just looking at them. I've had no problems with either part.
And while you're in there.....check the belt carefully for splits, and other problems.
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Post by n8man35 on Apr 16, 2011 21:52:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the suggestion Blue. I have been hesitant to remove any parts of the CVT to investigate because I've never worked on a transmission. I will give your suggestions a try. I was wanting to change out the rollers anyway. This is a good excuse to do that.
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Post by Bluefront on Apr 17, 2011 5:05:27 GMT -5
^^^My guess from afar......since you feel resistance when just pushing the scoot (like the engine wants to turn over), and there should be no resistance at all, I'm guessing the clutch is to blame.
The bell should come right off when you remove the outer nut. When you turn this bell by hand, the belt should turn, but not the wheel. If the wheel turns when you turn the bell.......there's your problem.
If the bell doesn't come off easily when you remove the outer nut, a shoe may be jammed somehow against the bell. Keep us informed....
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Post by Bluefront on Apr 17, 2011 8:25:54 GMT -5
Thinking about this again....when you turn the wheel by hand, the bell should turn but not the belt. Only when the engine reaches a certain speed, the shoes in the clutch expand and start to contact the bell, which then turns the wheel. Hard to remember everything I saw for the first time some months ago......there are bearings/sleeves in this setup that also may be seizing. There some U-Tube videos that show the entire clutch being taken apart. I've only had the bell off mine to clean-up and inspect the shoes.
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Post by n8man35 on Apr 17, 2011 17:39:43 GMT -5
Again, Thanks Blue!
Had family for the weekend and they left today. I will try to identify the problem with the help of your notes this week. I'll let you know what I find out.
Thanks!
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Post by Bluefront on Apr 19, 2011 5:23:06 GMT -5
Did a few upgrades yesterday.....mainly concerned with lighting. I replaced the two fender-mounted fog lights (seen in previous photos in this thread), with these 21 LED fog-lights (Advance Auto, Optronics #LS 126, $22). I used the same DIY fender mount shown in the previous photos. These are much better.....brighter and look better. Here are a few photos, all made with the headlights off. What you see here is what other drivers see at all times day or night, before I start the engine. Later in the evening.... A few side views... In this last photo I'm about 10 feet from the garage door, no headlights on, only the front LEDs providing the lights. The picture is somewhat deceptive because of the white reflection off the door. The fog lights are not as bright as they appear in this photo.....but a bunch better than my previous fogs. This last photo also shows my recently upgraded mirrors. The previous mirror set I used, loosened up to the point they wouldn't hold their adjustments. This set from Walmart looks to be much better, made for an ATV. They have about a 9" stem....slightly wider than the previous set. But they probably won't just screw in most scoots, due to the 10mmx1.50 pitch threads. They're mounted using the little brackets from the previous mirrors, with a nut on the bottom of the stem. With these mirrors I can see around my shoulders.....still tweaking the adjustments. Things are progressing nicely this spring.....
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Post by n8man35 on Apr 22, 2011 9:44:17 GMT -5
Again, Thanks Blue! Had family for the weekend and they left today. I will try to identify the problem with the help of your notes this week. I'll let you know what I find out. Thanks! I swapped out my clutch yesterday and now the scoot is running fine. Thanks for your help, Blue. The problem was one of the clutch shoes. Attachments:
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Post by Bluefront on Apr 22, 2011 11:20:15 GMT -5
No prob.... ;D
Was that a generic clutch you fitted on there? I know the variator is special.....123mm rather than 115mm. But the clutch is reported to be a generic 150 GY6 model. Be nice to know for sure....
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Post by Bluefront on Apr 22, 2011 11:46:05 GMT -5
^^^^Looks like a great deal/project for somebody. I'd buy it if it were local to me. If it were mine.....I'd be frantically searching for a used engine somewhere. I found a used 150 GY6 engine last fall for $50 (along with some extra parts). Been tearing it apart to see how it ticks....
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Apr 23, 2011 13:46:54 GMT -5
If it were near me Id snatch it and make it go
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Post by n8man35 on Apr 23, 2011 18:11:38 GMT -5
No prob.... ;D Was that a generic clutch you fitted on there? I know the variator is special.....123mm rather than 115mm. But the clutch is reported to be a generic 150 GY6 model. Be nice to know for sure.... Blue, I had a duplicate clutch from a dead scooter that I keep for parts. Sorry I can't help you with your clutch question. Don't know if it's generic or not.
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