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Post by als01seville on Dec 27, 2009 17:22:39 GMT -5
Hi Dawgs, I thought I should start a Trike Thread for things that are common to the Trikes that Ice Bear Sells.
THE FORWARD AND REVERSE MECHANISM:
1. On Top of the Gear Box there is a piece that turns clockwise about 1 1/2 inches to engage Reverse. This is controlled by a cable attached to it. The mechanism is Spring Loaded to engage the Forward gear. The Handle to pull on the cable to put it in Reverse is either on the right side foot board or on the left handlebar grip. Because its Spring loaded as the Default going Forward it is harder to pull or squeeze the handle to Engage Reverse. Setting it to go Forward is just releasing it from the locked Reverse position and it will go into the forward position due to it being Spring Loaded. 2. Problems with the Reverse mechanism: a. One problem that can become a major expense is if the cable is not adjusted properly. Sounds like the Chain is jumping teeth or gears slipping. When this happens the trike will shudder pretty severally starting off either in Forward or Reverse. It will only happen going Forward or in Reverse BUT NOT both. You have to fix it as soon as possible or the gears inside can be damaged and will cost you a lot of work and money.
3. Adjusting the Reverse Cable: a. You have two places you can adjust the cable one by the Handle and one by the Mechanism. If the Trike Shudders going Forward you need to Loosen the cable give it a little more slack, its to tight and is not allowing the Mechanism to rotate Counter Clockwise enough to allow the Gear to Mesh with the Forward Gear. b. If the Trike Shudders going in Reverse you need to Tighten the cable, its to loose and is not allowing the Mechanism to rotate Clockwise enough to engage the Reverse Gear. c. After adjustment always Try it going Forward and in Reverse it should not shudder in either direction. Going in Reverse you may hear a Clunk sound and thats OK.
Hope this helps Alleyoop
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 27, 2009 17:43:09 GMT -5
Thanks, Alley Oop. I did some final adjusting at the handle and that is when reverse started smoothing out(see my comments on P12). I am just hoping that I have not screwed up the differential gears. Mine was shuddering in reverse and forward originally but reverse seems to have responded to adjusting. If ultimately the rear end is shot at 330 miles and is too expensive to justify repairing I will look into the problems of converting back to a bike or sell it off for parts. Much as I like this trike life is too short to dance with ugly trikes. I think your new thread is a great idea.
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Post by als01seville on Dec 27, 2009 18:11:55 GMT -5
Hi Wolfhound, If you decide to sell it for parts I GOT DIBS ON THE COMPLETE ENGINE:) OK? Alleyoop
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 27, 2009 18:20:24 GMT -5
Alley Oop: Not quite to that point yet. time will tell however. I admit that I have had more problems in 330 miles with the trike than any of my other 4 rides. I have thought about reasonable alternatives like a Brithish Enfield(funny name for a MC made in India!!! 8^0) with a side car for around 8 grand or a Ural with a hack. I like the 3 wheel idea. The problem with the MCs is the foot shift and my not so agile ankles.
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Post by als01seville on Dec 27, 2009 18:29:34 GMT -5
Wolfhound, The MC with sidecars are another breed. They are Not as stable as a Trike. Turns or a bear to adjust to and you can easly loose control. A guy this summer bought one like you see in the german movies. He wiped it out in a month making a turn the whole front had to be replaced. It was in the shop for 3 months trying to get parts for it. If your disabled somewhat I would stay away from a sidecar MC. You can also get a Scooter with a sidecar but those also require foot shifting. There are also outfits that sell Sidecar kits for Scooters as well. Alleyoop
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 27, 2009 21:58:02 GMT -5
I understand that about hacks. But then I am a bit unstable myself. Like trikes these things drive differently and adjustments must be made in the handling. Otherwise you are in a world of hurt. Bottom line for me of course is the gear shifting with my lack of ankle flexability. Still a guy can dream cant he?? The guy you mention probably had a Ural, the Russian copy of the preWW2 German hack.
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 29, 2009 7:53:39 GMT -5
It just occurred to me that a lot of our discussion on the Tires thread should be being done on this one.
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 29, 2009 12:52:48 GMT -5
Just for an exercise in futility i googled moped trikes and came up with many pages of scooter trikes. Most looked just like Ice Bear units but with out the Ice Bear name. It would seem likely to me that a lot of the online dealers are ordering from the factory in China that produces for Ice Bear or this may be the reason that the 2 Ice Bear trikes that Bryan and I have have no Ice Bear logos. Has anyone else gotten an Ice Bear with an Ice Bear logo attached? Or is IB bringing them and distributing them to the Online dealers with no IB logos so that the dealer can market them under his own logo? Some were priced in the $3000.oo range and some were far more reasonable. All looked like our trikes. Makes one wonder what the deal is.
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Post by als01seville on Dec 29, 2009 15:17:09 GMT -5
Wolfhound, There are only two importers of the Trikes, Roketa and Ice Bear and they are both in CA. The Dealers get them from either of those two importers. Also 99% do not actually have them in their store IF THEY EVEN HAVE A STORE. When you order they pay Ice Bear and or Roketa and the Trikes get Shipped from their warehouse. The dealers don't even see the crates or the actual product. And yes the prices are all over the place it depends how many units they signed up for because the more they signed up for the less it cost them. Also some are greedy and ask for them. Quan told me they now have about 200 dealers and they only have two guys in parts to handle everything not just the trikes but their other products,atv,bikes etc..
I paid $2,250.00 deliveried but I bought two, they were orginally $2,498.00 but if you bought two and paid right away I got 10% off the total for the two Trikes. So if anybody is looking to buy trikes SHOP around because each site has different prices. You can also call them and ask for a discount. If they haven't sold any or they are not selling they will lower the price. Alleyoop
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Post by rapidjim on Dec 29, 2009 15:52:55 GMT -5
I guess I will be in the 1% bracket. I will be offering trikes in the spring in my B&M store, not sure if I will do drop ships or not at this point.
Like the tread Idea. Maybe the mods will see this and add a section for trikes.
Jim
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 29, 2009 21:25:58 GMT -5
Alley Oop, I am aware that only IB and Roketa are bringing them in and i understand the online dealer method of selling and drop shipping from the importers warehouse. I bought mine from a B&M dealer in my area. Roketa puts their name on their products, logo wise as did Tank, Why doesnt Ice Bear? That is my curious mind at work here. Are you referring to Quan that runs the Acworth GA IB distributing point? I have met him, seems like a nice guy. am curious if Dwild62 has heard back from him concerning the differen- tial problem that they are acknowledging exists. Maybe too soon due to the Holidays. Did yours and your brother in laws trikes have the Ice Bear log on them? Trike 20 said that his dealer was sending the logos to him if i remember correctly.
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Post by trike20 on Dec 29, 2009 22:56:01 GMT -5
Mine was 2K Inc tax + $190 for all the DMV stuff complete and out the door from Sunny Sports. Got the tags and Calif. plates in 3 weeks.... + the free helmet... It had the Ice Bear tags all over it. I picked it up in person... not trusting anyone They do not answer Emails after the sale is made so beware.
I did purchase some parts from Ice Bear direct (down the street) and they were very responsive from the parts Dept. ;D
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Post by als01seville on Dec 30, 2009 0:01:28 GMT -5
Wolfhound, Yes ours has the the Ice Bear sticker on it because they were bought from Ice Bear. If you notice the dealers give them a different name and or number you probably will not find Ice Bear Stickers on them. Just an example Mine from Ice Bear is a PST159H the same Trike From Roketa is a MC-104. Alleyoop
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 30, 2009 7:10:40 GMT -5
Alley Oop, both mine and Bryan Smiths were bought from Ice Bear. His was shipped in from the CA plant and mine was picked up by him and me at the Acworth GA warehouse. And neither had the Ice Bear logo on them. Bryan is a legitimate MC dealer licensed by the state of GA.. He bought his to see if he wanted to take on the line and he bought mine as a resale unit and sold it to me. I must have misread Trike20 as I thought he said the dealer sent him the logos. My bad. At the time that we picked up at the Acworth plant they had just started recieving them and had several assembled in the warehouse. None had Ice Bear Logos on them at that time. Both Bryan and I noted that.
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Post by aileronjack on Dec 30, 2009 18:29:13 GMT -5
wolfhound, I got minne from extreme-scooters based in GA. It was $2250 dropped shipped to my carport. It came with Ice Bear Logos on it. I am guessing the discussion will all lead back to the rear axle issue. I only have about 100miles on the bike; and am having a back-breaking hassel getting it registerd down here in La. (seems they didn't like the way the MCO felt!) But if I am going to have to replace the differential soon, I will need to prepare myself for that as well. The discussion is really insightful. I appreciate getting on here and reading the daily chit chat
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Post by als01seville on Dec 30, 2009 19:12:58 GMT -5
Aileronjack, Why would you have to replace your differential? I have 1000 u.s miles on mine and there is nothing that I see need replacing yet. You will get some play from the Spider Gears inside the differential but thats all and the only time you notice that is when you start off from a dead stop. And if you throttle easy and get the tension on it then hit it, it will not make a sound. The only other thing is make sure it DOES NOT shudder or jump about 3 times or so when going forward or reverse, because that is the Reverse Cable not adjusted properly and once you adjust it properly it will work just fine. Alleyoop Alleyoop
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 30, 2009 19:38:32 GMT -5
Alley Oop, As I recall David Sr said that Quan asked him 2 questions about the performance and was going to get back to him. It was acknowledged by Ice Bear(according to David Sr) that there is a problem with the trannies, or at least some of them. Jack, you may not encounter a problem with yours, and again you may. Mine did not show up til around the 300 mile mark and by following Alley Oops adjustment information I have gotten the shuddering in reverse to stop but still have to get the extreme shudder in forward adjusted out, cant ride right now and have not had time to work on it any more this week. This problem seems to be popping up a lot more than I think it should but then what do I know?The registration problem is normal for most Chinese scooters, at least in GA, as the manufacturers are not in the data base. Once I had insurance on the trike and gave my local DMV the actual manufacturers name it all got done in a hurry. Ice Bear is not the manufacturer, they are the importer and that confuses a lot of DMVs. Even worse in PA from what I hear.
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Post by als01seville on Dec 30, 2009 20:38:04 GMT -5
Wolfhound, The two questions that Quan asked is all about the Reverse Cable, your reading to much in his questions. Quan will come back and say that the parts guys said its not the tranney thats the Reverse Cable needs to be adjusted.
Now your situation you went to TIGHT on the Cable now its is not meshing when you release it to go Forward. There is only about 1/4 or so adjustment to get it right so it meshes in both Reverse and Forward. When you get to it again just lossen the back nut about two turns and push it in and tighten the front nut and give that a shot. I know I replaced the whole cable on my brother-in laws Trike. At one point it would not even go forward at all only in Reverse:) Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Dec 30, 2009 23:21:17 GMT -5
VIBRATION COMING FROM YOUR FENDERS OR CENTER COVER:
1. Vibration noises from your Fenders when first starting off or at idle. a. Get yourself some weatherstriping take off the Fenders and stick the weatherstrip on all the metal parts that make contact with your fiberglass fender. Put the Fender back on and you will know have a much quieter Trike.
2. If you have a Center Fender covering the rear axle some will vibrate at the bottom about 3 inches from the last screw looking at it from the rear. Some come with a screw already at that point but some do not have the last screw at that point. You will notice that at this point there is about 3-4 inch section that no screw exists and the Fender and the Center Cover virbrate against each other. In this case drill a hole through both the Center Piece and the Fender about 1/2 from the end of the Fender piece and put a Clip and Screw, do this on both sides and you again will have a quieter Trike. Alleyoop
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Post by als01seville on Dec 30, 2009 23:43:15 GMT -5
METAL TO METAL NOIESES COMING FROM THE SPROCKET SIDE:
1. The culprit here is most likely the Chain Guard. a. Usually the bolt holding the chain guard has come loose or broke and is banging around. If its just loose then put some lock tight on it and tighten it up. If its broke then you have to get it welded. If you decide to get it welded take the existing bracket off and fabricate another bracket at least 1/8 thick. If you notice the bracket is made of very thin metal about 1/16 in thickness. Have a bracket made of at least 1/8 thick metal and have that welded on. b. Another cause of metal to metal noieses again coming from the Chain Guard, is the guard under the rear sprocket is banging on the Axle Tub. In this case just get a long screw driver or something to put in between the guard and Axle tub and bend it up off the Axle. c. Yet another cause of metal to metal noieses, again coming from the Chain Guard, is the guard by the front sprocket is hitting the Chain or hitting the Engine Case. Here find out which one it is and again just bend it so its not making contact with the chain or the case. I hate noieses and rattles and I imagine others want a quieter Trike as well. Alleyoop
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Post by trike20 on Dec 31, 2009 0:10:03 GMT -5
The real DMV Mfgr. ID for the Ice Bear factory is "Diaxi". This is how it is shown in the Ca. DMV Mfgr's database. My pink slip lists it as Make = Diaxi and the class is "Motorcycle" in California. Other states my vary but the true make is still "Diaxi"
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Post by als01seville on Dec 31, 2009 0:17:10 GMT -5
Trike20, That is correct, thats what my Title says. Make= DAIX TRIKE, Body Style= MOTORCYCL, CCM=150. Alleyoop
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 31, 2009 4:56:18 GMT -5
Thanks, Alley Oop, I will try that as soon as I get my inventory completed and the year end stuff done. We are looking at 7 straight days of temps in the 30s with lows in the low 20s, global warming, you know. So I wont be riding for a while!!! According to my mfg. plate on the trike it is Daixi and the GA DMV accepted that into their data base. So I guess we can all agree on one thing---the actual manufacturer.v 8^)
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Post by als01seville on Dec 31, 2009 12:30:05 GMT -5
Wolfhound, I am in a Burb of Chi town and the temp here is in the low 20s with wind chills of whatever, ITS COLD MAN!!! I crank up my Trike in the Garage about every 2-3 days and let it warm up for about 20 minutes to allow it to put some charge back into the battery and get the oil hot and parts oiled up and helps the gaskets from breaking down and later on leaking. While its warming up I am snowblowing my driveway and putting salt down. Alleyoop
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Post by aileronjack on Dec 31, 2009 13:44:27 GMT -5
Als01seville, Just pitched you a bone (you should have a lot more than you have). For starting the Trikes in General thread. BTW, I put the weather stripping that you have described. I put it on the bike back when I did the PDI. I haven't heard the rattle/vibration that has been mentioned. I was under the impression the discussion was suggestive that the differential was likely to fail because of the shutter. At this point mine hasn't shudderd once in reverse nor in forward. I have yet to log 200 miles on the bike. In order to accomodate the break in process, I am being very forgiving on the throttle during take off. I generally throttle up slowly and at around 15-20mph allow the bike to settle into a nice rpm level and then ease into the throttle again up to 30, 35, or 40. Right now my throttle is never exceed around 3/4 except once to check the gps at WOT, but no longer than about 5 seconds or so. I am quite mindful of the stresses on the engine and rear-end and I am trying to pamper it for the first 3-400 miles. It's hard to resist the urge to "put my foot in the firewall".
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Post by als01seville on Dec 31, 2009 14:14:53 GMT -5
Aileronjcak, Thanks for the bone:) Like I said I hate rattles and vibration all I want to hear is how the engine is running and purring right along:) I also had vibrations on my Trunk, I used weatherstripping on that as well NOT A SOUND comes out of it:) Its Great that you are not getting Shudders or Jumps when going Forward or in Reverse that means your REVERSE cable is RIGHT ON:) Don't forget I have TWO to fix if anything goes wrong MINE and MY Brother-In Laws (he cannot even turn a screw:). Well you are babying it, when I got mine my Sons came over with their wifes and grandchildren and they rodded the heck out of it:) Alleyoop
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 31, 2009 15:20:35 GMT -5
Alley Oop, you have nothing on us Southern boys!!! There was some sleet./freezing rain/snow overnight and we got to see it just before it dissapeared. My family came from Iowa and I know what those winters are liek up there. Yawl keep it up there. ya heah??? Jack I am breaking mine in the same way and did not encounter the "shudders" til I had 300 miles on the scoot. I crank all five of mione once a week in the heated garage just to hear the motors run. Come on Spring!!!!
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Post by als01seville on Jan 3, 2010 0:23:27 GMT -5
THINGS THAT CAUSE THE GAS GAUGE TO READ EITHER FULL ALL THE TIME OR EMPTY WHEN FULL:
1. Gauge reads EMPTY when its full: This is caused by the CHEAP THIN PLASTIC FLOAT taking on gas and weighing it down to register as EMPTY. 2. Gauge reads FULL when its EMPTY OR ITS ERRATIC: The wire that holds the FLOAT is stuck on the plastic pivot in the up position. Probe inside the tank with a small stick or wire and move the wire that holds the Float and see if the gauge needle moves and frees up. But it will probably happen again. b. The plate that rotates up and down and also holds the wire with the Float is loose and wobbles and does not make contact with the resister plate all the time. In this case the Clip that holds the wire on the other side of the platic holder is not tight enough and causes the wire and plate to wobble. I took the clip off and used a small Brass collar with a set screw to keep it nice and tight against the Plastic Holder. In Either Case 1 or 2 to fix it correctly you have to take the Gas Sensor Out. Either order a new one or Fix the one you have. But a new one will be of the same quality and will have the same problems sooner or later.
I fixed the one I had so all of the problems of 1 and 2 would be solved. Look in ICE BEAR PST150H TRIKE page 4 down towards the bottom you will see a picture of my new Gas Sensor with a Brass Sealed Float.
Now Some of the Trikes will Register Full until it is down a gallon or two, it depends on the size of your tank. The reason is because the Pivot Plate that holds the wire with the Float only pivots so much. So when your tank is full the Pivot Plate does not Pivot enough to allow the Float to reach the top of the tank. That means the Float is actually under water as they say and will show full for quite a while until the gas level is low enough that the Float is now actually working and floating on top of the gas.
This also holds true when it is reading very close to EMPTY when its Not you may have 2 gallons left and its reading EMPTY. That again is because the Pivot Plate only moves so much up and down. So now the Pivot is at its max in the dwon position reading empty but you still may have 1-3 gallons left. The gallons left depends on the size of your tank. On my PST150H Trike the tank is almost 5 gallons so mine reads empty and I have almost 3 gallons left. But I am going to fix that and have it read EMPTY when I have about 1 1/2 gallons left. Alleyoop
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Post by medman1952 on Jan 4, 2010 18:57:55 GMT -5
I guess I will be in the 1% bracket. I will be offering trikes in the spring in my B&M store, not sure if I will do drop ships or not at this point. Like the tread Idea. Maybe the mods will see this and add a section for trikes. Jim Somebody requested a mod to add a trike forum, honestly the support was not there for it when it was discussed in the staff area. If you want to move it over to scooter rebels, I might make room for it.
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Post by medman1952 on Jan 5, 2010 17:31:32 GMT -5
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