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Post by tomtom on Nov 27, 2007 19:52:20 GMT -5
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Post by scottfla on Nov 27, 2007 21:44:28 GMT -5
Hey Tom, a local guy here has a 650 and he's had it up there...but not that far up there
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Post by earlwb on Nov 27, 2007 22:16:43 GMT -5
I must have blinked and missed the 105, as I only saw the speedo blip at 104 for a split second. But those were the days, to be young, immortal and stupid.
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Post by Leader on Nov 27, 2007 22:23:07 GMT -5
When I was very young and very stupid I got my Scirocco up that fast or a little better. I was really stupid. stupid stupid stupid.
Is a Reflex at 75 stupid too?
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Post by randy on Nov 28, 2007 7:22:19 GMT -5
In my opinion if you want a vehicle with 650 cc and go 105 mph you should have bought a motorcycle. my sons 650 Ninja has gone 0~122 mph in 11.50 seconds with pleny left at the end of the quarter mile. having owned motorcycles in the past my view on this is a scooter over 250cc is for someone that doesn't have the motor skills to ride,clutch and shift at the same time.
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Post by earlwb on Nov 28, 2007 7:47:20 GMT -5
A jillion years ago I had a Triumph Bonneville 650 reading 130 of the speedo, but actual was 105. I also did 136.7mph on a Yamaha 350cc road racing bike at PIR in Az many years ago. My Norton Commando got up to about the same speed, probably same speedo error too.
About ten years ago I was thinking about installing NOS on my Sportster. But when I was cruising at 85mph I found that I was only at 1/3 throttle with 2/3's left still, and since you need to be at full throttle before you hit the NOS button I quickly gave up that idea.
Hey Randy scooters have their place, for example, getting trapped in rush hour traffic with a traffic jam of some sort, using the clutch on my Sportster gets to be a huge pain in the wrist and fingers after a short while. A strong clutch isn't so good in traffic jams.
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Post by 90GTVert on Nov 28, 2007 9:36:14 GMT -5
Hmm. Interesting oppinion, but a bit off the mark. My 1950 Indian Chief has left throttle, right hand shift and foot clutch. Oh yeah, it does not have electric start or turn signals either. I don't think I have lost my motor skills quite yet, but I do enjoy riding my Majesty 400. Stan In my opinion if you want a vehicle with 650 cc and go 105 mph you should have bought a motorcycle. my sons 650 Ninja has gone 0~122 mph in 11.50 seconds with pleny left at the end of the quarter mile. having owned motorcycles in the past my view on this is a scooter over 250cc is for someone that doesn't have the motor skills to ride,clutch and shift at the same time.
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Post by RetroAJ on Nov 28, 2007 10:42:39 GMT -5
I did 147 mph on my 97 600 F3, that's when the tail end started to wiggle a little and I decided it was time to back off. I would have made a very colorful mark down the highway at that speed. My power hungry days have since passed.
*A J*
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Post by Dennis D on Nov 28, 2007 11:23:03 GMT -5
In my opinion if you want a vehicle with 650 cc and go 105 mph you should have bought a motorcycle. my sons 650 Ninja has gone 0~122 mph in 11.50 seconds with pleny left at the end of the quarter mile. having owned motorcycles in the past my view on this is a scooter over 250cc is for someone that doesn't have the motor skills to ride,clutch and shift at the same time. The guy in that video has owned and owned and ridden a plethora of different motorcycles for well over 30 years, and also owns a Honda VTX 1800R. He stated on another board that there's only one place on that entire stretch of road where the big Honda could perhaps catch the Burgie 650. Stick around and learn, and you'll find there are plenty of reaons why an experienced rider may prefer a big scooter to a motorcycle... or perhaps want one of each.... smoothness and comfort ranking way up on the list. Although way lower in power, John(the guy in the video) has stated that because the Burgie transmission is so good at keeping the engine right there in its' powerband, the performance, other than off the line, far exceeds what most motorcycles with similar HP and power to weight ratio are capable of. The 650 Burgie weighs in at 600 lbs, gassed up and ready to roll, and as far as comfort goes there is no comparison between the Burgie and a sportbike either.
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Post by earlwb on Nov 28, 2007 14:29:25 GMT -5
Has anyone done a video clip of how fast that new Italian super scooter will go?
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Post by stewntexas on Nov 28, 2007 15:40:30 GMT -5
Hey guys.....Lets go out and see how fast we can go.
Don't let fear and common sense hold you back.
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Post by automattic on Nov 28, 2007 16:22:41 GMT -5
In my opinion if you want a vehicle with 650 cc and go 105 mph you should have bought a motorcycle. my sons 650 Ninja has gone 0~122 mph in 11.50 seconds with pleny left at the end of the quarter mile. having owned motorcycles in the past my view on this is a scooter over 250cc is for someone that doesn't have the motor skills to ride,clutch and shift at the same time. Huh!? Some people might like to travel on the interstate on their scooter where a 250 can barely cut it. Also most motorcycles have no underseat storage.
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Post by julio on Nov 28, 2007 16:56:23 GMT -5
105 in a maxi scooter is fast but not stupid, what wasn't smart is the road choice, the video shows speed limit signs that look like 25 mph signs. I have done very close to 100 mph in my Scarabeo 500 and it feels very stable on the highway and I cruise at 80 almost every day, it also has 16' wheels. I have done an indicated (not sure of speedo error) 157 mph on my Kawasaki Z1000 and over 135 mph in my car. If the vehicle was designed to handle those speeds, I don't understand why 105 is so far off stupid. The video just shows the top speed of the Burg 650 and I bet that most of you guys have tested the top speed of your scoots one time or another. Dont flame the guy because he did a video of it.
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Post by earlwb on Nov 28, 2007 17:18:10 GMT -5
Actually I liked the scenery on that road. It would be fun to tool along on roads like that. I wouldn't be trying to set any speed records though. Nice scenery makes it more enjoyable. I was surprised that he did 104 on that road. At those speeds that road gets mighty small fast.
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Post by Aaron on Nov 28, 2007 17:50:04 GMT -5
With more years under my belt on motorcycles than scooters what I got out of that video was wow it takes the Burgman a long time to reach top speed. My last bike would flirt with 104 in 3rd gear with three more to go. Fastest I had it was 161. I sold it the next week. I lack discipline and value my life especially now that I have kids. Ride safe and smart. What this guy did was illegal as hell but did not cross any stupidity lines given his experience and equipment choice. He seemed familiar with the road and chose good lines with proper set up and departure for the corners. A race track would have been more appropriate but I can't say I am not guilty of the same antics.
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Post by randy on Nov 28, 2007 19:12:01 GMT -5
In my opinion if you want a vehicle with 650 cc and go 105 mph you should have bought a motorcycle. my sons 650 Ninja has gone 0~122 mph in 11.50 seconds with pleny left at the end of the quarter mile. having owned motorcycles in the past my view on this is a scooter over 250cc is for someone that doesn't have the motor skills to ride,clutch and shift at the same time. Huh!? Some people might like to travel on the interstate on their scooter where a 250 can barely cut it. Also most motorcycles have no underseat storage. I understand that perfectly well. But it seems to me that when you get over a certain size and weight and refer to them as a "Scooter" that is stretching it a bit.I am not saying that they are not good machines and don't have their place they, certainly do. but to call 650 cc a scooter is stretching the word "Motor scooter" A 650cc that will go 105 M.P.H. will not cut it in the modern motorcycle world but a 105mph on a "true" scooter does sound impressive. In my opinion a scooter is a small tired,lightweight,step thru frame with a a displacement of 250cc or less. a 650cc two wheeled bike that weighs 600 lbs. and call it a motorscooter? I don't think so.
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Post by Dennis D on Nov 28, 2007 20:27:15 GMT -5
There are lots of 150's with flat floors, and plenty with a hump.... but a scooter has a seat with a floor continuous with the legshield that you can step through in front of the seat. Also most, but not all scooters have the engine mounted as an integral part of the rear swing axle. By almost any definition except size, the Burgie, or even a Gilera is a scooter. It's not rocket science to tell the difference between a conventional motorcycle and a big scooter... most kids can. That's why maxi-scooter or super scooter riders hear the "man that's a big moped!" line every now and then, regardless of size. en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ScooterNow the Honda DN-01, on the other hand doesn't have the legshield floorboard design has a fairly conventional motorcycle frame, no step-through design, and even though it is automatic, is clearly a motorcycle. www.webbikeworld.com/Motorcycle-news/honda-dn-01.htmYou may propose that a scooter over a size you don't believe is appropriate, isn't a scooter. Someone else may decide that scooters defined as mopeds by many states, aren't, in fact, scooters at all... but merely mopeds. Neither proposition is appropriate here. For purposes of this forum, and indeed any other scooter forums that I'm aware of, a scooter is defined as a "motorcycle" with a step through frame and a floor in front of the seat. We do not arbitrarily define scooters that some of us may decide are "too small" or "too large" as not being a scooter merely because we feel it is an inappropriate size. If being an inappropriate size disqualifies a particular bike as being a scooter, then I'm sure that my Helix can't possibly be a scooter.... because it has a wheelbase that's .3" longer than a Harley Davidson, and we all know that anything with a wheelbase longer than a Harley can't possibly be a scooter!
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Post by WarrenS on Nov 28, 2007 20:50:46 GMT -5
The distinction as to what makes a scooter a scooter is getting more blurred. The main thing is the motor is located under the seat where motorcycles locate it further forward. Scooters also have smaller wheels even though there are some which have larger wheels now.
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Post by earlwb on Nov 29, 2007 16:01:01 GMT -5
Dennis D, many if not most Big twin Harley riders called their rides "scooters" too.
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Post by scootermikie on Nov 30, 2007 14:26:10 GMT -5
Huh!? Some people might like to travel on the interstate on their scooter where a 250 can barely cut it. Also most motorcycles have no underseat storage. I understand that perfectly well. But it seems to me that when you get over a certain size and weight and refer to them as a "Scooter" that is stretching it a bit.I am not saying that they are not good machines and don't have their place they, certainly do. but to call 650 cc a scooter is stretching the word "Motor scooter" A 650cc that will go 105 M.P.H. will not cut it in the modern motorcycle world but a 105mph on a "true" scooter does sound impressive. In my opinion a scooter is a small tired,lightweight,step thru frame with a a displacement of 250cc or less. a 650cc two wheeled bike that weighs 600 lbs. and call it a motorscooter? I don't think so. Hi Randy, My wife and I each own a Burgman 400 and we call them "maxi-scooters". IMO, any scooter over 250cc is a maxi-scooter.
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Post by randy on Nov 30, 2007 18:43:14 GMT -5
Scootermikie, that makes more sense. When someone refers to a motor scooter I visualize a small displacement, Vespa looking scoot not a 650cc 600 lb. Hog {Harley riders refer to their bikes as hogs also and I mean no disrespect } but to just emphasize the the size of a "Maxi Scooter" I have ridden a Burgman and it is a VERY NICE machine.. I just use my scooter for enjoyable everyday transportation. I enjoy my scoot like just about everybody on this board does and that's all that matters.
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Post by Dennis D on Nov 30, 2007 19:30:20 GMT -5
Actually if you go to any Maxi Scooter forum or web site, you'll find that scooters with a displacement of 250cc and up are pretty much universally referred to as maxi-scooters. I usually call my Helix a "bigass scooter" because maxi sounds sort of like it belongs in a box, in the aisle with feminine hygiene products!
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Post by scootermikie on Nov 30, 2007 20:51:24 GMT -5
Actually if you go to any Maxi Scooter forum or web site, you'll find that scooters with a displacement of 250cc and up are pretty much universally referred to as maxi-scooters. I usually call my Helix a "bigass scooter" because maxi sounds sort of like it belongs in a box, in the aisle with feminine hygiene products! Dennis just gave me a great idea. From now on I'm calling my Burgman a "Super Maxi-Scooter". ;D
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Post by randy on Nov 30, 2007 22:54:05 GMT -5
Aint I heard tha "Super Maxi" somewhere else before?
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Post by scootermikie on Dec 1, 2007 9:28:28 GMT -5
Aint I heard tha "Super Maxi" somewhere else before? Like in the pharmacy isle at Walmart?
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Post by flhtri on Dec 1, 2007 9:29:59 GMT -5
I call my Harley Road Glide a scooter and all the others down to my daughters Venice 50. So Maxi,Mini,Hog,etc. Dont make a damn bit of difference as long as we are all on two wheels we are a brotherhood. Stick together and have fun.
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Post by warad on Dec 1, 2007 12:50:02 GMT -5
wow!!! that was cool as hell,i have to get me one . can any one give me a loan?lol
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Post by randy on Dec 1, 2007 14:58:37 GMT -5
Aint I heard tha "Super Maxi" somewhere else before? Like in the pharmacy isle at Walmart? ;D
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Post by airnerd on Dec 1, 2007 15:20:39 GMT -5
I saw the "105" indicated.
My ninja would just barley do that.
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Post by T W I S T E R on Dec 2, 2007 7:49:02 GMT -5
the older you get the more fragile you realize life is. what a foolish thing to do. why throw away what will be taken soon enough anyway.
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